Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[toddkaz]

The victim was most definitely raped. It's not alleged that it happened, it's only alleged of who did it.

Oh really? You have the link to the court case where that was decided?

The victim is also recorded saying it was consensual.

 

[ottawa]

Scribble all your speculations on a scrap of card, put it into a glass bottle and then throw it into the sea. You'll feel better.

Ty, maybe the bottle will reach someone on the other side of the world one day.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

Its still alleged sweetie. No one is guilty of anything. In my country people are innocent until proven guilty.

Try to keep up. This THREAD is not allegedly about gang-rape. The thread is about that topic. Again, it's right in the thread title.

 

[ottawa]

Oh really? You have the link to the court case where that was decided?

The victim is also recorded saying it was consensual.

I guess it depends on how conscious she was when she said that and potentially how much duress she was in as well.

If they're at the point of arresting people, I think it's fair to say she had a damn good case.

 

[Xerloris]

Oh really? You have the link to the court case where that was decided?

The victim is also recorded saying it was consensual.

If the victim said it was consensual then we wouldn't be having people arrested would we? The victim wouldn't have gone to the police if it was consensual then right? You don't have a court case to decide if someone was raped, that's what medical examinations and police investigations are for. Courts are to decide innocence or guilt. I don't think you understand what we're actually talking about here.

 

[toddkaz]

Try to keep up. This THREAD is not allegedly about gang-rape. The thread is about that topic. Again, it's right in the thread title.

I see the title thread but just because someone on HFBoards post it doesn't make it so.

Until its proven with evidence in a court it will always be alleged.

If the victim said it was consensual then we wouldn't be having people arrested would we? The victim wouldn't have gone to the police if it was consensual then right? You don't have a court case to decide if someone was raped, that's what medical examinations and police investigations are for. Courts are to decide innocence or guilt. I don't think you understand what we're actually talking about here.

blah blah blah.

Lots of people arrested are innocent champ.

I guess it depends on how conscious she was when she said that and potentially how much duress she was in as well.

If they're at the point of arresting people, I think it's fair to say she had a damn good case.

She said she was sober.

 

[Xerloris]

I see the title thread but just because someone on HFBoards post it doesn't make it so.

Until its proven with evidence in a court it will always be alleged.


blah blah blah.

Lots of people arrested are innocent champ.


She said she was sober.

Ya, exactly what I thought. You don't understand anything anyone is saying.

 

[kingsholygrail]

You’re being sarcastic, right?

Nope. You should get yourself updated on that case.

 

[Xerloris]

Can you read an article? A - L - L - E - G- E -D
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I understand the reporting in the TSN Article even says ALLEGED

Do you disagree with that reporting of the article saying ALLEGED?

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I would be happy to blow up the article even more and circle the word alleged for you if that will help but I am not sure you understand anything.


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It is alleged that the players asked to surrender themselves committed the crime. It's not alleged that she was assaulted.

 

[The Moose]

I decided to drop out of law school and get my law degree from this thread instead.

 

[Kane One]

That's a slippery slope as the flip side also has a flip side if you think about it.

There's a flip side to lots of things. If the names aren't public, it might hurt them if someone has knowledge that could exonerate them. Would you rather be in prison for a crime you didn't commit, or have your reputation potentially ruined and not in prison?

 

[NyQuil]

Well if members of that team start disappearing from their current team's roster, that might be a good indication.

That’s why this song and dance is silly.

 

[Hank Plank]

It is alleged that the players asked to surrender themselves committed the crime. It's not alleged that she was assaulted.

Scary that people think this way.

 

[93LEAFS]

Maybe a dumb question but what does it mean when the police is asking someone to "surrender"? Is that the equivalent of placing someone under arrest?

If you have money and have lawyers, you are generally allowed to surrender under you own terms. Generally, you have a bail price agreed ahead of time and such, It's generally preferable of having your house raided at midnight and being dragged out in cuffs.

 

[Leafs87]

Just want to mention that told to surrender is much different than under arrest.

 

[Xerloris]

Scary that people think this way.

That people believe the victim after a police investigation?

 

[jcs0218]

If convicted, these 5 players are going to find out just how mean and nasty the Canadian justice system is.

6 months in a minimum security prison, followed by 6 months house arrest, and then a full pardon granted.

 

[Matias Maccete]

but I wore my speculating spectacles complete with my conjecturing corduroys and postulating polo

What a waste of a good outfit

This post needs more love. Top notch content

 

[3074326]

Scary that people think this way.

Scary that you think five people can be put on trial with no evidence. The assault happened. Who is the question. If there was no evidence of assault…… none of this would be happening

Note that I’m not saying anyone is guilty.. just that there is obviously evidence of an assault if we are at this stage.

 

[93LEAFS]

Just want to mention that told to surrender is much different than under arrest.

Let's be honest, if they had public defenders, they would be under arrest in a minute. This is a negotiated surrender. If they don't get charged, then I'm wrong. But, this is how pretty much how anyone with wealth gets arrested in Canada with a high-priced lawyer if they aren't a public threat..

 

[Nogatco Rd]

That's a slippery slope as the flip side also has a flip side if you think about it.

Nice try but the flip side of the flip side = original side

 

[GOilers88]

It is alleged that the players asked to surrender themselves committed the crime. It's not alleged that she was assaulted.

Allegations are just that, allegations, until proven in a court of law. So she was most certainly allegedly raped, and those 5 allegedly did it.

If they prove the 5 did it, then the allegations of rape are no longer allegations.

 

[Hank Plank]

That people believe the victim after a police investigation?

You continue to prove my point.

Scary that you think five people can be put on trial with no evidence. The assault happened. Who is the question. If there was no evidence of assault…… none of this would be happening

Note that I’m not saying anyone is guilty.. just that there is obviously evidence of an assault if we are at this stage.

And another example, it's genuinely frightening.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Didn't the original story involve 7 players? How is it possible 'only' 5 are getting charged if more than that allegedly committed a crime? Or do I have the numbers wrong?

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

It is very scary. Without a court of law, without the people having the right to defend themselves Xerloris thinks the accused are guilty without even given a chance to speak.

The sad part is society is moving this way.


Police are not the people that decide guilt or innocence a court of law decides that.

What country do you live in? China?

..so that’s great, cool reference, but an actual court of law has looked into it, this is the result.. what are you talking about? Sexual assault and rape are incredibly under-prosecuted, they wouldn’t touch this case after 4 years if it weren’t potentially criminal, but sure man, it’s all some grand conspiracy.

Like I’m honestly curious as to what legal mechanism you think made this happen. Rogue cops? A yolo judge? What’s goin on bro?