Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[ACLEVERNAME]

Documenting consent isn't suspicious in and of itself.

The documentation containing a girl reportedly wiping her eyes and slurring her words- words that heavily imply that she was pressured into saying them, ending with a phrase that doesn't make any sense? Suspicious

That they strongly felt the need to document consent a 2nd time in the same night, an hour later? Suspicious

This was an odd tidbit on the case that always kinda made me wonder. I will say outright that I am not a psychologist, nor am I a professional pornographer - but i do know that the opening and closing interview with statement of legal age and consent is a pretty normal thing in the adult film world (especially with newer/unknown actresses).

Is it at all possible that we are not looking at the diabolical actions of a group of deranged psychotic monsters and more the actions of a group of dumb horny kids who had grown and developed through their adolescence with pornh*b et al at the tip of their fingers?

It's a whole nother dirty road to go down here but we still have no idea of the effects or consequences of this kind of stuff has on developing minds in the new digital world. Monkey see, monkey do.

 

[TopG]

Not if you're reading carefully, they haven't.

For instance:

"Five players from Canada's 2018 world junior team have taken a leave of absence from their current clubs in recent days amid a report that five members of that team"

If the players were identified, they would have said "amid a report that THESE five members...".

Anyhow, it sounds like you've found what you're looking for.

Police to hold news conference on probe of 2018 sex assault allegations

London police say they will hold a news conference to update its probe into an alleged sexual assault involving junior hockey players

lfpress.com

Just 1 example

 

[jcs0218]

It is so sad and so stupid that these 5 players have ruined their hockey careers and have ruined their lives over this.

Star junior hockey players could have almost any woman they want and have it be consensual. They didn't need to do what they did.

Obviously something wrong with their values and their ethics.

They have thrown away millions of dollars due to their faulty way of thinking and behaving.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Personally, yes, people settle for financial compensation even if they are totally innocent. They usually do this under poor legal advice.

Insurance companies do not do this.

"According to a copy of the settlement agreement obtained by The Washington Post, neither Bauer nor Hill is paying to settle the case, and each will bear their own attorneys’ fees. Both sides continue to deny the other’s claims, according to the agreement.

In a separate agreement, Hill’s insurance company, which had covered her defense, will pay her $300,000, records show."

Since you replied, I went back to look at the story again. Bauer didn't even pay her a settlement, sounds like both they dropped the lawsuits they had against each other. (he sued her for defamation).

She got a payment from her own insurance company, per her lawyer, sounds like reimbursed legal fees.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Police to hold news conference on probe of 2018 sex assault allegations

London police say they will hold a news conference to update its probe into an alleged sexual assault involving junior hockey players

lfpress.com

Just 1 example

Nothing in that directly says that

"Five members of the 2018 world junior team...have been granted indefinite leaves of absence this week by the pro teams they play for."

Are the five players surrendering.

You're drawing the conclusions. Yes, they probably set it up so that you'd do that (and they wouldn't have to).

 

[Hank Plank]

It is so sad and so stupid that these 5 players have ruined their hockey careers and have ruined their lives over this.

Star junior hockey players could have almost any woman they want and have it be consensual. They didn't need to do what they did.

Obviously something wrong with their values and their ethics.

They have thrown away millions of dollars due to their faulty way of thinking and behaving.

Unbelievable.

 

[Xerloris]

I'm in the minority I guess since I think anyone charged with any crime should not be publicly named unless they are found guilty?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Anyhow, I am going to bed. I expect this thread to be in pristine shape when I check in tomorrow.

Go Kraken.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

The post I just deleted of yours describes the players receiving leaves of absence. The article DOES NOT DIRECTLY SAY THAT THESE ARE THE FIVE PLAYERS SURRENDERING.

Good night.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

This is massive speculation because you have zero way to know who did what, or didn't until everyone gets their day in court. Amazing post.

I think you need to re-read the post you replied to.

 

[colchar]

Better to just name them than this reality show type reveal leading to all kinds of speculation.

Well if members of that team start disappearing from their current team's roster, that might be a good indication.

 

[New User Name]

I understand why the mods deleted my post as it just lists players being granted leave. We are just speculating about the reasons for the leave.

 

[Hank Plank]

I think you need to re-read the post you replied to.

I understand the context just fine. The argument is guilty or not based on "if they did it". According to whom? Some all knowing all seeing being?

 

[Kane One]

I'm in the minority I guess since I think anyone charged with any crime should not be publicly named unless they are found guilty?

The flip side of this is that if it’s public, people with information about the case might come forward.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

alleged you mean?

In my country people are innocent until proven guilty.

That only applies to an actual criminal trial it doesn't apply to the court of public opinion.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

alleged you mean?

In my country people are innocent until proven guilty.

This thread is not allegedly about a gang-rape case. It's right in the thread title. The verdict doesn't need to be in for you to know that the topic is not a pleasant one.

 

[New User Name]

I'm in the minority I guess since I think anyone charged with any crime should not be publicly named unless they are found guilty?

100% agree with you.

 

[toddkaz]

This thread is not allegedly about a gang-rape case. It's right in the thread title. The verdict doesn't need to be in for you to know that the topic is not a pleasant one.

Its still alleged sweetie. No one is guilty of anything. In my country people are innocent until proven guilty.

That only applies to an actual criminal trial it doesn't apply to the court of public opinion.

Sorry, it also applies to my morals too. I don't partake in the pitchfork justice.

 

[Hank Plank]

That only applies to an actual criminal trial it doesn't apply to the court of public opinion.

True but this has limits, hence several high profile successful lawsuits we've seen recently. You go around in public telling everyone willy-nilly a person is guilty that could end up costing you a pile of $$$$.

 

[ottawa]

At what point can we start speculating? There's so much noise out there from reputable insiders that's likely accurate

 

[New User Name]

The flip side of this is that if it’s public, people with information about the case might come forward.

That's a slippery slope as the flip side also has a flip side if you think about it.

 

[McJC]

Maybe a dumb question but what does it mean when the police is asking someone to "surrender"? Is that the equivalent of placing someone under arrest?

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

I understand the context just fine. The argument is guilty or not based on "if they did it". According to whom? Some all knowing all seeing being?

Well, yes. That is not speculating on their guilt, but the fact that acquittal in court is not the same as being proven innocent. People often forget that when they say that the truth will come out when the verdict is handed down.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

At what point can we start speculating? There's so much noise out there from reputable insiders that's likely accurate

Scribble all your speculations on a scrap of card, put it into a glass bottle and then throw it into the sea. You'll feel better.

 

[Xerloris]

alleged you mean?

In my country people are innocent until proven guilty.

The victim was most definitely raped. It's not alleged that it happened, it's only alleged of who did it.