Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Hank Plank]

I'm not assuming anything. I'm referring strictly to what has been reported.

Given high profile cases recently there isn't much difference. I wish that wasn't so but false allegations have tainted the entire legal process.

 

[LokiDog]

I mean, can we be honest here? We know when something is over the line with a random hookup. I feel like people who say that "every athlete should watch their back" don't understand social cues, you can tell when another person is super uneasy about a situation.

The point - not in the context of this case, but just as it relates to receiving explicit consent - is that while you should absolutely know if something crosses the line, there still have existed cases where nothing did cross any line, adults had consensual sex and then allegations were leveled anyway after the fact. Without explicit consent, anyone can accuse you and it becomes he says/she says. I know that in this scenario that’s not really something that is in question, but as it related to the other poster suggesting that documenting consent was suspicious itself, the reality is that in 2024 it behoves most single athletes, entertainers and celebrities to do so. Really everyone, but no one was sleeping with me in my late 20s and then realizing I had $380 in my bank account that they could get a cut of. Again, I am not applying that to this specific situation nor calling any genuine victims anything other than victims. It is documented and has been seen many times however where the accuser ended up being a liar. Not this case. Just as it relates to my statement about successful young athletes and why gaining consent shouldn’t be an indication of guilt itself.

 

[Hank Plank]

Just because a person is sexually promiscuous doesn't mean they deserve the line of consent to be crossed.

Just because some dudes did a thing with a girl doesn't mean they are guilty.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

The point - not in the context of this case, but just as it relates to receiving explicit consent - is that while you should absolutely know if something crosses the line, there still have existed cases where nothing did cross any line, adults had consensual sex and then allegations were leveled anyway after the fact. Without explicit consent, anyone can accuse you and it becomes he says/she says. I know that in this scenario that’s not really something that is in question, but as it related to the other poster suggesting that documenting consent was suspicious itself, the reality is that in 2024 it behoves most single athletes, entertainers and celebrities to do so. Really everyone, but no one was sleeping with me in my late 20s and then realizing I had $380 in my bank account that they could get a cut of. Again, I am not applying that to this specific situation nor calling any genuine victims anything other than victims. It is documented and has been seen many times however where the accuser ended up being a liar. Not this case. Just as it relates to my statement about successful young athletes and why gaining consent shouldn’t be an indication of guilt itself.

He and she said would be a civil case, but like you said this is clearly far greater than that right now. You don't pursue criminal charges without evidence as a prosecutor. As for your other point about being in the limelight of the public eye, you can obviously enjoy your fame/riches but if you decide to be risky and do dumb shit, well, you're gonna win stupid prizes. There's plenty of athletes who don't even touch that side of the public eye and just stay at home and play video games or do other stuff that isn't even close to putting them in a bad situation

 

[jimmysheva]

Just watched the Gone Girl kidnapping case in Netflix. It's insane that American police can lie to you about your lie detector test.

 

[The Moose]

I'm impressed this thread is still going. 61 pages and counting of mod-approved posts? They deserve a raise.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Just because some dudes did a thing with a girl doesn't mean they are guilty.

And that's what the evidence at trial is there for that they got indicted for a criminal case so

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I'm impressed this thread is still going. 61 pages and counting of mod-approved posts? They deserve a raise.

20% raises across the board.

 

[Mr Positive]

Just watched the Gone Girl kidnapping case in Netflix. It's insane that American police can lie to you about your lie detector test.

Lie detectors are only used to spook people into talking. They are not evidence, and so their usefulness depends on witnesses and suspects not knowing that

 

[Hunter368]

20% raises across the board.

NICE!!!!!!

Wait..............

0 + 20% = 0!

WTF, where's my agent?

 

[Habby4Life]

Given high profile cases recently there isn't much difference. I wish that wasn't so but false allegations have tainted the entire legal process.

Complete non-sense.

 

[Kane One]

What I want to know is, does no one else on that team know what happened?

These players had sex with this woman (consensually or not, I’m not arguing that), and not one of them bragged about it to anyone else on the team?

 

[Hank Plank]

And that's what the evidence at trial is there for that they got indicted for a criminal case so

So already guilty, why bother with any trial.

 

[Zirakzigil]

I'm impressed this thread is still going. 61 pages and counting of mod-approved posts? They deserve a raise.

NICE!!!!!!

Wait..............

0 + 20% = 0!

WTF, where's my agent?

 

[Three On Zero]

NICE!!!!!!

Wait..............

0 + 20% = 0!

WTF, where's my agent?

@Bear of Bad News is your agent….

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Alright, for you guys we'll make it 30%.

Don't tell anyone.

 

[Three On Zero]

Alright, for you guys we'll make it 30%.

Don't tell anyone.

30% increase in workload?

 

[Zirakzigil]

Alright, for you guys we'll make it 30%.

Don't tell anyone.

How about a solid $1.00

Final offer

 

[Three On Zero]

How about a solid $1.00

Final offer

For you? You owe $1.00

 

[4thline]

but as it related to the other poster suggesting that documenting consent was suspicious itself

Documenting consent isn't suspicious in and of itself.

The documentation containing a girl reportedly wiping her eyes and slurring her words- words that heavily imply that she was pressured into saying them, ending with a phrase that doesn't make any sense? Suspicious

That they strongly felt the need to document consent a 2nd time in the same night, an hour later? Suspicious

 

[The Moose]

This is the perfect time to unionize. Just walk away from this thread and let the greedy capitalists see what this forum would become without your sweat and tears. Strike! Strike! Strike!

 

[Kane One]

NICE!!!!!!

Wait..............

0 + 20% = 0!

WTF, where's my agent?

Per HF bylaws, we are required to have Alan Eagleson as our agent.

 

[Kiwi]

I must admit reading this has been a bit of an eye opener

I hope a good portion of you never see the inside of a jury room because "the prosecution decided to bring charges" doesn't mean somebody is guilty of the things there being charged with

Prosecutors can be wrong, hell they can also have agendas and i dont care which country you are from history shows plenty of people have been wrongly charged and convicted over the years

These guys are innocent until proven guilty

 

[Zirakzigil]

For you? You owe $1.00

More like owed one for every time I didn’t ban you.

 

[Three On Zero]

More like owed one for every time I didn’t ban you.

Do you want a riot? Because that’s how riots start