Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[KCC]

The AP made 2 separate statements about 5 players being granted a leave of absence and 5 players being told to surrender. They did not say the two sets are the same.

It's unlikely, but not completely out of the realm of possibility, that a player on the 2018 team is taking some time away from his NHL team because 5 of his close friends are being criminally charged and needs some time to process it. That type of thing is why you don't speculate

if you say so.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

That's what the men from the bank said when they repossessed my farm.

Now youre just making me feel bad.

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Ha! You dont pay me enough for that.

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I wonder how many people who have "Off Topic" warnings are reading this lengthy off-topic conversation, joking in a thread about sexual assault, between the people that hand out the warnings.

 

[Pancakes]

With no legal charges, this would immediately get shit on by the NHLPA.

Ottawa literally let Formenton's rights expire because they knew this was coming.

The Devils (for example) chose to sign McCleod on July 1st 2023, all the while knowing this investigation was ongoing and that McCleod may in fact be indicted for being a rapist.

 

[snag]

Paging Mike Richards!

 

[Bear of Bad News]

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[Leafs4Life77]

This is what I am thinking. But after reading the story on the Athletic, they say there were cameras in the hotel.

Parents need to raise their kids better. Especially girls, they cannot grow up to be sluts.

If you actually read the article, you would have probably noticed the part that says:

"According to the young woman’s statement of claim, at some point in the early-morning hours, she and John Doe 1 “engaged in sex acts” in his hotel room. Then, John Doe 1 invited his teammates to the room without her knowledge or consent."

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I wonder how many people who have "Off Topic" warnings are reading this lengthy off-topic conversation, joking in a thread about sexual assault, between the people that hand out the warnings.

I was mainly looking at "Users Who Are Viewing This Thread" and it's impressive at how many staff alumni are here watching us try to keep this under control.

 

[Chainshot]

This is what I am thinking. But after reading the story on the Athletic, they say there were cameras in the hotel.

Parents need to raise their kids better. Especially girls, they cannot grow up to be sluts.

Or even better, make sure to raise kids who don't rape people.

 

[izlez]

"I'm distraught and can't come to work because some guys I played hockey with 5 years ago are getting charged for sexually assaulting somebody"?

Yeah... Gonna go ahead and say that's a completely illogical suggestion.

Especially when it makes you look guilty of sexual assault.

It's a ridiculous suggestion.

It was one idea of the top of my head.
Maybe their dad died. Maybe they have alcohol issues. There are a million possible reasons.

It only makes you look guilty of sexual assault to people on the internet who like to speculate, which is why you shouldn't speculate

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Ottawa literally let Formenton's rights expire because they knew this was coming.

The Devils (for example) chose to sign McCleod on July 1st 2023, all the while knowing this investigation was ongoing and that McCleod may in fact be indicted for being a rapist.

Electing not to sign a player who you don't have under contract is not the same thing as not playing a player who you're currently under contract with you, simply because he's being investigated for something.

 

[Nakawick]

Only thing that bothers me is neither you or I would have been given this kind of time to keep our names out of the paper and to turn ourselves in on our own schedule.

You wouldn’t have had to worry. The London Police declined to file charges after their investigation in 2018. It would have ended there.

 

[Strangle]

"I'm distraught and can't come to work because some guys I played hockey with 5 years ago are getting charged for sexually assaulting somebody"?

Yeah... Gonna go ahead and say that's a completely illogical suggestion.

There will come a time when names are set in stone and you’ll be able to talk about them

It’s probably just worry over the site being hit by litigious lawyers trying to win defamation suits against their clients and getting the website shut down

No one’s trying to suppress anything, we just need to be patient

 

[MuckOG]

Not necessarily.

A criminal conviction will require proving beyond reasonable doubt that what happened was criminal.

A black mark/ black listing/ detrimental career effect only requires the public and/or management being convinced that what happened was immoral/unsavoury/objectionable enough that the PR damage and/or moral implications of positive public association outweigh the benefits they bring as hockey players.

But at least the underlying allegations need to be somewhat proven, don't they? In other words, there needs to be a little fire where there is some smoke. Otherwise, according to you, just being accused of misconduct that we all find to be reprehensible is grounds enough to end someone's career. Maybe you aren't suggesting that, and if not, I apologize.

 

[viper0220]

Or even better, make sure to raise kids who don't rape people.

It is all part of self respect and you are right. But don't you think it is a bad idea to get drunk and go to someones hotel room?

 

[Csonked Out]

I am not doing any of those things. I am just asking, why put yourself in that spot.

Telling a sexual assault victim to be told not to be a slut is a bold strategy. Good luck with that

 

[TheBeastCoast]

So are we still all sitting around here acting like we don’t all know who these 5 players are? Lmao only HF.

 

[Bread and Circuses]

Only thing that bothers me is neither you or I would have been given this kind of time to keep our names out of the paper and to turn ourselves in on our own schedule.

NHL is full of players from extremely wealthy families, there seems to be a different set of rules for some wealthy folks out there….. or so I’ve heard…

 

[thefutures]

So are we still all sitting around here acting like we don’t all know who these 5 players are? Lmao only HF.

Who cares its only gang rape

 

[Chainshot]

It is all part of self respect and you are right. But don't you think it is a bad idea to get drunk and go to someones hotel room?

I'm kind of shocked that the idea of making sure not to rape someone is somehow not the clincher here.

 

[archangel2]

I was mainly looking at "Users Who Are Viewing This Thread" and it's impressive at how many staff alumni are here watching us try to keep this under control.

this has to be one of the toughest threads of all time for this site. We knew it was coming. We can not talk about a lot of stuff---but the rash of the players suddenly going on indefinite leave needs to be something that we should be able to discuss.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

 

[AslanRH]

Ottawa literally let Formenton's rights expire because they knew this was coming.

Actually, they did not, they just didn't come to terms on a contract. He is still on their reserve list.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

this has to be one of the toughest threads of all time for this site. We knew it was coming. We can not talk about a lot of stuff---but the rash of the players suddenly going on indefinite leave needs to be something that we should be able to discuss.

If everyone "knows" who it is, then why does it matter if we can talk about it (yet)?

 

[TrufleShufle]

Just checking in to see if we can start speculating, I'll check back in later.

 

[AvroArrow]

So are we still all sitting around here acting like we don’t all know who these 5 players are? Lmao only HF.

Yup, it can be a legal problem if names are mentioned until there is an official statement but everyone knows who they are by now.