Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[CanMerc]

Based on how a lot of those posts go, it might be helpful to sticky a definition of "speculation" at the top of each page.

You’re taking all the fun out of this

 

[MikeK]

If convicted.....of course.

Fair... But either way, they did do wrong and it was pretty disgusting.

 

[CanMerc]

Ok… I’m off to work… just letting y’all know so you don’t think I’m running away….lol

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Based on how a lot of those posts go, it might be helpful to sticky a definition of "speculation" at the top of each page.

Seems like it'd be more effective to shell out a few bucks for a small ad, which would then cover everyone's screen for the next few weeks.

(I kid because the ads are frustrating as hell, folks. I can empathize!)

 

[Voight]

Depends on the province WRT prosecutor "approving" charges. When I was a Crown Attorney in Winnipeg many years ago, there was a Crown pre-charge screening process. However, in Ontario, the police make the call -- they don't need approval from the Crown, but will sometimes seen input/advice.

Also WRT not being allowed to leave the country, this has not been my experience in 20 years practicing law in Manitoba and then Ontario. Generally, for someone with no prior record, what is required is a cash deposit to guarantee their return to the jurisdiction. Also keep in mind that the U.S. has extradition treaties with Canada so it's not like they'd be able to hide in the U.S. These guys make a lot of money so the cash deposit would be substantial, but I imagine they will be allowed to leave the country.

Does them being semi famous play into it? i.e. there's pics of these guys all over the internet and if they're NHL players, fans know what they look like. So they can't hide in plain sight the way you or I could.

Respect and agree with your stance on victim’s rights. But not sure I can sign on to the first statement. In the US at least, we have 1000s of innocent people in prison. Prosecutors have been known to prosecute people they know to be innocent by withholding exculpatory evidence among other misdeeds. In federal cases, the prosecution knowingly fatigues defendants financially into plea deals. So this idea that charges are only brought on guilty people seems factually incorrect to me.

Prosecutors do love headlines, especially when ti involves famous people.

 

[GindyDraws]

So he killed one woman or multiple? This is crucial information.

I dunno, but we can't guesstimate right now.

 

[T REX]

No, I find most of you are extremely judgmental and guilty of judging the past with todays knowledge… you seem to think, and portray yourself, that if that was you, at that age at that time and in that circumstance, be 100% certain what was happening and would without a doubt take action

I never claimed any of the above.

I am pointing out you creating a world where orgies and pizza is commonplace and "just another day". It is ludicrous and unnecessary.

You can play the what if game all day long.

I want to be shocked but I am not longer shocked by much these days.

 

[GindyDraws]

So, you guys think the Salt Lake City news was a smokescreen to distract from this coverage?

 

[Aoko]

Ok… I’m off to work… just letting y’all know so you don’t think I’m running away….lol

Running away eh? He's complicit, get him!!!

 

[Voight]

It would be a condition on release if the person was planning on leaving the country. That would be a discussion based around potential of flight risk. Many of these guys are pro-players with significant cash. But what will be the requirement to leave back to the USA/Europe? Once charged, the league will suspend them indefinitely therefore their reasoning to leave is moot. In a high profile case like this....I'd say it will be 50/50. But would the USA even want them back if pending charges? Anytime you cross the border in to the USA then put you through CPIC to check. And they don't let people in pending or convicted of charges very often.

Not necessarily - if they play for a US based team, their reason for leaving is to go "home"

 

[Empoleon8771]

Nah, these guys are done if guilty.

They’ll probably be done because they’ll be in jail for too long to have a real chance at playing again.

But beyond that, I hate the “pro athletes who commit crimes should never be allowed to play in the pros again” argument. If they serve the time for their crimes, show remorse and grow as people, how is it fair at all to steal their livelihoods from them?

This isn’t just NHL related, it’s a thought I have on society as a whole. Former felons get super unfairly treated after serving time for their crimes and it just seems super unfair to me.

 

[Rich Nixon]

So, you guys think the Salt Lake City news was a smokescreen to distract from this coverage?

A very limp and embarrassing attempt at one, yes.

 

[The Great Weal]

All this seems to make sense until they casually drop that he was in there for 10 whole minutes ...... fishy

10 minutes is an awfully long time, unless of course he was spent the whole time eating the pizza because it was that good

 

[dirtydanglez]

glad to finally see it happen.

 

[GindyDraws]

A very limp and embarrassing attempt at one, yes.

HEY GUYS, WE'RE EXPANDING AGAIN... NO DON'T LOOK AT THAT STORY!

 

[super6646]

This matters why? It's the court of public opinion, she's allowed to think or do whatever she wants lmao

Exactly this. "It begins," what exactly is beginning?

 

[Moose Head]

 

[BE Friend]

So, business as usual for <redacted>?

Cuts both ways. The poor shlub who doesn't have the resources to investigate or mount a legit defence could also just get railroaded by the "system" the other way. Yes , lady justice should be blind - in theory. Western legal systems are awful except for every other system in the world.

 

[Voight]

Cant escape justice...their careers are over..

Doubt it. Maybe if any of them are AHL fodder, or tweeners. But if they're NHL regulars, they will play again.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

So, you guys think the Salt Lake City news was a smokescreen to distract from this coverage?

I do not know what scenario I like the best:

1) The league did it on purpose; they are total scumbags
2) The league did not do it on purpose; they are idiots/unlucky
3) The league did it on purpose and thought it was a good idea; they are idiotic scumbags

 

[The Macho King]

Cleveland Browns preparing some contract offers.

 

[Aoko]

I bet Cale Makar is thanking himself every day that he is not involved in this shit show.

 

[Mike C]

I don't. I was on a hockey trip with my team up to Edmonton when we were 16-18 years old. We met a few girls in the food court of the West Edmonton Mall and they came up to our room in the hotel in there. One of them, when asked what they do around there (we weren't the best conversationalists), said they drank and ****ed. Another one asked if we had any alcohol and I asked how old they were. One said 14 and we told them to GTFO of the room immediately.

Basically, you know when something isn't right or you don't care. I get that being told yes all the time when you're a high level athlete as a kid makes it harder to reign in bad behavior, but this isn't just that. I can't think of a time I ever did something wrong when I was a kid where I didn't know it was wrong. You just think you'll get away with it.

this last paragraph is the most spot on thing I've read or seen maybe ever!

it all boils down to living with honor and integrity and not crossing the lines, ESPECIALLY where other people are hurt, wronged and/or damaged, often beyond repair where lives are ruined permanently

GREAT POST!!

 

[PatrickEaves]

10 minutes is an awfully long time, unless of course he was spent the whole time eating the pizza because it was that good

10 minutes is a really long time, until that's the ice time their favourite player gets in a game. Then, they barely touched the ice.

 

[Voight]

You should see the bunk beds!