Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Some Other Flame]

That Bob McKenzie and other media personalities used to post on HF is fairly indicative of how big it and important it is in hockey circles.

It's literally free notes

 

[Hammettf2b]

I had no idea my dad was such a chad!

Yes you did!

 

[Nemesis Prime]

I see a lot of people forget what’s it’s like to be a teen guy…..

Yeah, I remember being a teen guy. Never participated in or watched gang rapes but hey boys will be boys, we should just sweep it under the rug and give them a pass cause they were only teenagers making mistakes.

 

[BKarchitect]

The allegations of course are serious and criminal if true.

I'm all for not mentioning names are assigning guilt without due process but the sporadic posts in this thread of "boys will be boys" or "this used to happen a lot where I grew up" are just gross.

You can be a horny teen boy and not be involved in what these accusations and charges allege.

Ridiculous.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

That seems a little much. Sex parties are a thing. Stumbling across one out of context doesn’t give you an onus or even a reasonable right to intervene and start asking about consent, unless there’s a clear reason to do so (e.g. cries for help) which doesn’t appear to have been the case.

We need to see justice on this, but not a fan of this idea that there’s a huge moral onus on people to do vigilante investigations or even call the cops when they’re “not sure what they’re seeing”. Historically that has not ended well.

Especially for 18 or 19 year old kids. Not like they are experienced sexual violence experts.

I'm for prosecuting any of the one's that committed the affirmative acts of sexual assault, as that would seem more straightforward of you should know right from wrong (assuming it's straightforward, which it may not be), but I personally cannot back prosecuting what that article suggests. And it may not be true. The agent has an interest to defend his client.

 

[ZDH]

Much like the worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of charades - the worst time for a 2018 wjhc player to have mental issues would be right about now.

 

[57special]

Teen guy walks in for Za, sees a live porn show happening and he’s not gonna watch for a bit… he has no idea it’s assault… human nature is to assume the best so assault likely didn’t even enter his thoughts.
Theres no reports of her screaming or fighting, and he’s likely had girls throw themselves at him for years as a high end athlete… why would he think something bad was happening…
we are looking back at this with current knowledge, where as he was living it in the moment

You're really bending yourself into a pretzel to make these guys somehow seem ok, aren't you?

Having 7 or 8 guys in a room gang banging a heavily intoxicated young woman can't be rationalized as something normal, or ok.

 

[Pip]

Makes you think

 

[CanMerc]

I don't. I was on a hockey trip with my team up to Edmonton when we were 16-18 years old. We met a few girls in the food court of the West Edmonton Mall and they came up to our room in the hotel in there. One of them, when asked what they do around there (we weren't the best conversationalists), said they drank and ****ed. Another one asked if we had any alcohol and I asked how old they were. One said 14 and we told them to GTFO of the room immediately.

Basically, you know when something isn't right or you don't care. I get that being told yes all the time when you're a high level athlete as a kid makes it harder to reign in bad behavior, but this isn't just that. I can't think of a time I ever did something wrong when I was a kid where I didn't know it was wrong. You just think you'll get away with it.

I’ve never lived in that circle so I can’t say one way or the other what happens, but teens having sex with teens is common place and sex parties are more common now then when I was young, and I know they happened back then

 

[Canovin]

Was the woman a teenage like the WJC boys or much older?

 

[mcleex]

Gee I wonder why those specific players that I won't mention recently took a leave of absence from their team

 

[Carlzner]

That Bob McKenzie and other media personalities used to post on HF is fairly indicative of how big it and important it is in hockey circles.

It's literally free notes

That was like a decade ago lol

 

[Dr Pepper]

I suspect those who didn't participate already know they're in the clear eh?

Indeed, and you're the third person to point this out.

BUT

As I've said to the others, even if the players themselves know they're in the clear, us fans are still very much left wondering who's involved - or at least we were.

So for the players who didn't make "the five", they could finally be absolved, and the fanbases of their respective teams can stop wondering.

That's what I meant.

 

[CanMerc]

You're really bending yourself into a pretzel to make these guys somehow seem ok, aren't you?

Having 7 or 8 guys in a room gang banging a heavily intoxicated young woman can't be can't be rationalized as something normal, or ok.

I’m not defending it or them… I’m saying, strictly about the one player who didnt participate and left after 10mins, that it’s very possible he had no idea what was happening.

 

[fahad203]

Not that it's important but wonder what happens to their hockey career

Do they go overseas or do they still play in NHL.

 

[CanadienShark]

I'd be surprised of the answer is above 0 lol. No offence to my fellow jabronis, but no one in the hockey world should take 95% of the discourse seriously. The prospects and hockey history parts are actually pretty solid, but otherwise.... nah.

Then prepare to be shocked, because it's well documented.

 

[SmytheKing]

I’ve never lived in that circle so I can’t say one way or the other what happens, but teens having sex with teens is common place and sex parties are more common now then when I was young, and I know they happened back then

If you've ever seen a highly intoxicated person, then you're well aware that they would never look like someone who is casually having sex with several different guys. It would be one thing to walk in and see it and then walk out. That I'd get. Sitting there for 10 minutes though, aside from being an odd thing to do if you aren't participating, just reeks of something more.

There's no way you wouldn't be able to tell that she wasn't an active "volunteer" for this after that amount of time.

 

[swiftwin]

You're really bending yourself into a pretzel to make these guys somehow seem ok, aren't you?

Having 7 or 8 guys in a room gang banging a heavily intoxicated young woman can't be can't be rationalized as something normal, or ok.

It wasn't 7 or 8, it was 5.

Again, you don't know what that player saw. By all accounts, the woman didn't ask or help, we don't know how apparent it was that she was intoxicated. All you're doing right now is SPECULATING.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

That seems a little much. Sex parties are a thing. Stumbling across one out of context doesn’t give you an onus or even a reasonable right to intervene and start asking about consent, unless there’s a clear reason to do so (e.g. cries for help) which doesn’t appear to have been the case.

We need to see justice on this, but not a fan of this idea that there’s a huge moral onus on people to do vigilante investigations or even call the cops when they’re “not sure what they’re seeing”. Historically that has not ended well.

For real, was he supposed to stick his head out in the hallway and yell “AY YO THEY f***IN IN HERE”

 

[ZDH]

Gee I wonder why those specific players that I won't mention recently took a leave of absence from their team

Don't speculate.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Not that it's important but wonder what happens to their hockey career

Do they go overseas or do they still play in NHL.

Considering what Reid Boucher did, it's probably a good chance

 

[Aoko]

And it begins.

 

[Prendan Brust]

Not that it's important but wonder what happens to their hockey career

Do they go overseas or do they still play in NHL.

Depending on the outcome, their NHL career is certainly in jeopardy. They'll most probably miss significant time and their team will re-structure their roster presuming they won't be back. As for playing oversea, my guess would be that the KHL would take them if they're good enough.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

 

[CanMerc]

Not that it's important but wonder what happens to their hockey career

Do they go overseas or do they still play in NHL.

Personally, any who are found guilty should be banned for life, but we all know that won’t happen.
Knowing Bettman an the NHL, and seeing how they’ve handle past issues, the players will get suspended until any criminal punishments are completed and then be welcomed back with open arms… as many fans say every time a player with a history is available… don’t care as long as we win… and thats the NHL motto