Again, this is another example of the prosecution not charging him.
I don't know why cases where there wasn't sufficient evidence to take the person to court are being used in this situation where clearly the prosecutor feels there's enough evidence to push through to trial.
It just seems like a false equivalency to me to lump all rape accusations into the "we've seen false allegations before" box, and draws conclusions about THIS case based on other cases that didn't even go to trial.
Again, this is another example of the prosecution not charging him.
I don't know why cases where there wasn't sufficient evidence to take the person to court are being used in this situation where clearly the prosecutor feels there's enough evidence to push through to trial.
It just seems like a false equivalency to me to lump all rape accusations into the "we've seen false allegations before" box, and draws conclusions about THIS case based on other cases that didn't even go to trial.
I really don't see this case being 1 with false accusations.
My envisioned scenario is where she was ok with all of them at 1st, then they started degrading her, spitting etc and she then wanted it to stop.
Maybe others have a different definition but I see a false accusation as a spiteful, jilted, vindictive lover trying to sully someone’s name or to get money, or a girl who totally makes up something for the same reasons. A not guilty verdict is not the same as a false accusation. There have been many many rapes that have not been reported or did not end in a conviction. The biggest miscarriage of justice is having an innocent person go to jail. For this reason there is the whole beyond reasonable doubt thing. Rape cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute because that beyond reasonable doubt thing, so there are many non convictions
You are underestimating. Maybe it’s a fine line on what constitutes “assault”. But that does not line up with experiences I am familiar with. If you work from the assumption that most of them are at minimum always trying to jump on anything that moves (yes, even that clean cut family guy nearing the end of his career) and that most have a hazy notion of consent, you’re probably closer to the mark. Ask any young woman who has been in their orbit.
Curious how many people debating this topic are women. Would be interested in their opinion over all the mansplaining of "he said/ she said" going on in here.
I'm a woman as well as a survivor of group rape, so I guess I can share my thoughts based on my personal experience.
re: Pizza Guy: When I was getting raped, a guy randomly came into the room. He did not get a slice of pizza and leave. Instead, the guy raping me said "I'm done so you can have her now" and the new guy said "Okay" and raped me too. Pizza Guy is pathetic and spineless. He is not a rapist and shouldn't be put in remotely the same category as rapists.
I called one of my rapists the next morning and said a bunch of placating things trying to trick him into actually admitting that he raped me. I wasn't recording the call or anything. I just wanted to hear him admit he was wrong. He just kept lying and saying he'd never touched me. When I read EM's text messages, I think about that day.
Based on my own experience, EM probably has complicated feelings about each of her rapists. Maybe one of them said really nice things to her while he raped her. Maybe one of them apologized while he still continued to rape her. Maybe one of them laughed in her face and called her dehumanizing names as he raped her. Each of those 3 people would still be a rapist, but how she feels about them wouldn't be the same. I don't know if that will be a factor in the trial, but I think it's something to keep in mind. When multiple people rape you, it's hard not to "forgive" one or two because they were nicer rapists than the other ones.
My opinion on the 5 alleged rapists: I don't know for sure if they're rapists. I certainly have a lot of opinions on it, but I was thankfully not in that room with them. I don't need to know every single detail and hear a jury verdict to know that I never want to be in a room with any of them. And ultimately that's the only judgment I need to make on the matter. As a rape survivor, these are the judgments I make every single day to protect myself. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a fine standard in a courtroom, but in my daily life I assume the worst in people. Maybe that's sad, but it's necessary. My rapists had been my friends once.
I'm a woman as well as a survivor of group rape, so I guess I can share my thoughts based on my personal experience.
re: Pizza Guy: When I was getting raped, a guy randomly came into the room. He did not get a slice of pizza and leave. Instead, the guy raping me said "I'm done so you can have her now" and the new guy said "Okay" and raped me too. Pizza Guy is pathetic and spineless. He is not a rapist and shouldn't be put in remotely the same category as rapists.
I called one of my rapists the next morning and said a bunch of placating things trying to trick him into actually admitting that he raped me. I wasn't recording the call or anything. I just wanted to hear him admit he was wrong. He just kept lying and saying he'd never touched me. When I read EM's text messages, I think about that day.
Based on my own experience, EM probably has complicated feelings about each of her rapists. Maybe one of them said really nice things to her while he raped her. Maybe one of them apologized while he still continued to rape her. Maybe one of them laughed in her face and called her dehumanizing names as he raped her. Each of those 3 people would still be a rapist, but how she feels about them wouldn't be the same. I don't know if that will be a factor in the trial, but I think it's something to keep in mind. When multiple people rape you, it's hard not to "forgive" one or two because they were nicer rapists than the other ones.
My opinion on the 5 alleged rapists: I don't know for sure if they're rapists. I certainly have a lot of opinions on it, but I was thankfully not in that room with them. I don't need to know every single detail and hear a jury verdict to know that I never want to be in a room with any of them. And ultimately that's the only judgment I need to make on the matter. As a rape survivor, these are the judgments I make every single day to protect myself. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a fine standard in a courtroom, but in my daily life I assume the worst in people. Maybe that's sad, but it's necessary. My rapists had been my friends once.
I'm a woman as well as a survivor of group rape, so I guess I can share my thoughts based on my personal experience.
re: Pizza Guy: When I was getting raped, a guy randomly came into the room. He did not get a slice of pizza and leave. Instead, the guy raping me said "I'm done so you can have her now" and the new guy said "Okay" and raped me too. Pizza Guy is pathetic and spineless. He is not a rapist and shouldn't be put in remotely the same category as rapists.
I called one of my rapists the next morning and said a bunch of placating things trying to trick him into actually admitting that he raped me. I wasn't recording the call or anything. I just wanted to hear him admit he was wrong. He just kept lying and saying he'd never touched me. When I read EM's text messages, I think about that day.
Based on my own experience, EM probably has complicated feelings about each of her rapists. Maybe one of them said really nice things to her while he raped her. Maybe one of them apologized while he still continued to rape her. Maybe one of them laughed in her face and called her dehumanizing names as he raped her. Each of those 3 people would still be a rapist, but how she feels about them wouldn't be the same. I don't know if that will be a factor in the trial, but I think it's something to keep in mind. When multiple people rape you, it's hard not to "forgive" one or two because they were nicer rapists than the other ones.
My opinion on the 5 alleged rapists: I don't know for sure if they're rapists. I certainly have a lot of opinions on it, but I was thankfully not in that room with them. I don't need to know every single detail and hear a jury verdict to know that I never want to be in a room with any of them. And ultimately that's the only judgment I need to make on the matter. As a rape survivor, these are the judgments I make every single day to protect myself. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a fine standard in a courtroom, but in my daily life I assume the worst in people. Maybe that's sad, but it's necessary. My rapists had been my friends once.
I have no words. I won't even do the obligatory sorry BS. Those are just words. Meaningless. I do hope you continue to find the strength and courage as you've shown here on your journey to find that sliver of normalcy again.
And may your words may give someone else the strength and courage to come forward and be heard. Stay strong.
I'm a woman as well as a survivor of group rape, so I guess I can share my thoughts based on my personal experience.
re: Pizza Guy: When I was getting raped, a guy randomly came into the room. He did not get a slice of pizza and leave. Instead, the guy raping me said "I'm done so you can have her now" and the new guy said "Okay" and raped me too. Pizza Guy is pathetic and spineless. He is not a rapist and shouldn't be put in remotely the same category as rapists.
I called one of my rapists the next morning and said a bunch of placating things trying to trick him into actually admitting that he raped me. I wasn't recording the call or anything. I just wanted to hear him admit he was wrong. He just kept lying and saying he'd never touched me. When I read EM's text messages, I think about that day.
Based on my own experience, EM probably has complicated feelings about each of her rapists. Maybe one of them said really nice things to her while he raped her. Maybe one of them apologized while he still continued to rape her. Maybe one of them laughed in her face and called her dehumanizing names as he raped her. Each of those 3 people would still be a rapist, but how she feels about them wouldn't be the same. I don't know if that will be a factor in the trial, but I think it's something to keep in mind. When multiple people rape you, it's hard not to "forgive" one or two because they were nicer rapists than the other ones.
My opinion on the 5 alleged rapists: I don't know for sure if they're rapists. I certainly have a lot of opinions on it, but I was thankfully not in that room with them. I don't need to know every single detail and hear a jury verdict to know that I never want to be in a room with any of them. And ultimately that's the only judgment I need to make on the matter. As a rape survivor, these are the judgments I make every single day to protect myself. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a fine standard in a courtroom, but in my daily life I assume the worst in people. Maybe that's sad, but it's necessary. My rapists had been my friends once.
I have no words. I won't even do the obligatory sorry BS. Those are just words. Meaningless. I do hope you continue to find the strength and courage as you've shown here on your journey to find that sliver of normalcy again.
And may your words may give someone else the strength and courage to come forward and be heard. Stay strong.
Thank you. Honestly, my life is going really well right now. I'm attending one of the best universities in the world pursuing my dream degree and have been blessed with so many amazing opportunities in recent years. I'm also 35 years old. The sad truth is that many women have their hopes, dreams, and futures stolen or delayed because of sexual violence. I wish I could be having my current life experiences as a carefree 17 year old instead, but I'm still so happy and grateful to be having them now.
I hope this can be a message of hope for anyone struggling as I did in the aftermath of something horrific. Take however much time you need to heal. There will be beautiful things waiting for you in the future.
I'm a woman as well as a survivor of group rape, so I guess I can share my thoughts based on my personal experience.
re: Pizza Guy: When I was getting raped, a guy randomly came into the room. He did not get a slice of pizza and leave. Instead, the guy raping me said "I'm done so you can have her now" and the new guy said "Okay" and raped me too. Pizza Guy is pathetic and spineless. He is not a rapist and shouldn't be put in remotely the same category as rapists.
I called one of my rapists the next morning and said a bunch of placating things trying to trick him into actually admitting that he raped me. I wasn't recording the call or anything. I just wanted to hear him admit he was wrong. He just kept lying and saying he'd never touched me. When I read EM's text messages, I think about that day.
Based on my own experience, EM probably has complicated feelings about each of her rapists. Maybe one of them said really nice things to her while he raped her. Maybe one of them apologized while he still continued to rape her. Maybe one of them laughed in her face and called her dehumanizing names as he raped her. Each of those 3 people would still be a rapist, but how she feels about them wouldn't be the same. I don't know if that will be a factor in the trial, but I think it's something to keep in mind. When multiple people rape you, it's hard not to "forgive" one or two because they were nicer rapists than the other ones.
My opinion on the 5 alleged rapists: I don't know for sure if they're rapists. I certainly have a lot of opinions on it, but I was thankfully not in that room with them. I don't need to know every single detail and hear a jury verdict to know that I never want to be in a room with any of them. And ultimately that's the only judgment I need to make on the matter. As a rape survivor, these are the judgments I make every single day to protect myself. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a fine standard in a courtroom, but in my daily life I assume the worst in people. Maybe that's sad, but it's necessary. My rapists had been my friends once.
You don't need me to say it, but sorry so much regarding these situations suck. Thanks for having the strength to post this here.
As a male who was molested by babysitters as a kid, they were f***ed up in their own right, it's a f***ed up, messy situation that isn't really just about courts of law, if that makes sense.
I'm a woman as well as a survivor of group rape, so I guess I can share my thoughts based on my personal experience.
re: Pizza Guy: When I was getting raped, a guy randomly came into the room. He did not get a slice of pizza and leave. Instead, the guy raping me said "I'm done so you can have her now" and the new guy said "Okay" and raped me too. Pizza Guy is pathetic and spineless. He is not a rapist and shouldn't be put in remotely the same category as rapists.
I called one of my rapists the next morning and said a bunch of placating things trying to trick him into actually admitting that he raped me. I wasn't recording the call or anything. I just wanted to hear him admit he was wrong. He just kept lying and saying he'd never touched me. When I read EM's text messages, I think about that day.
Based on my own experience, EM probably has complicated feelings about each of her rapists. Maybe one of them said really nice things to her while he raped her. Maybe one of them apologized while he still continued to rape her. Maybe one of them laughed in her face and called her dehumanizing names as he raped her. Each of those 3 people would still be a rapist, but how she feels about them wouldn't be the same. I don't know if that will be a factor in the trial, but I think it's something to keep in mind. When multiple people rape you, it's hard not to "forgive" one or two because they were nicer rapists than the other ones.
My opinion on the 5 alleged rapists: I don't know for sure if they're rapists. I certainly have a lot of opinions on it, but I was thankfully not in that room with them. I don't need to know every single detail and hear a jury verdict to know that I never want to be in a room with any of them. And ultimately that's the only judgment I need to make on the matter. As a rape survivor, these are the judgments I make every single day to protect myself. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a fine standard in a courtroom, but in my daily life I assume the worst in people. Maybe that's sad, but it's necessary. My rapists had been my friends once.
Thank you. Honestly, my life is going really well right now. I'm attending one of the best universities in the world pursuing my dream degree and have been blessed with so many amazing opportunities in recent years. I'm also 35 years old. The sad truth is that many women have their hopes, dreams, and futures stolen or delayed because of sexual violence. I wish I could be having my current life experiences as a carefree 17 year old instead, but I'm still so happy and grateful to be having them now.
I hope this can be a message of hope for anyone struggling as I did in the aftermath of something horrific. Take however much time you need to heal. There will be beautiful things waiting for you in the future.
Awesome to hear. And proof to anyone reading this that their life is not over. As you already know, you are giving the gift of strength to those that might not have it right now. I'm not telling you anything you don't already know but it is important to acknowledge it. Thank you. I can't make people have empathy. Again, keep on doing what you're doing.
Again, this is another example of the prosecution not charging him.
I don't know why cases where there wasn't sufficient evidence to take the person to court are being used in this situation where clearly the prosecutor feels there's enough evidence to push through to trial.
It just seems like a false equivalency to me to lump all rape accusations into the "we've seen false allegations before" box, and draws conclusions about THIS case based on other cases that didn't even go to trial.
Some cases just have more powerful people that can influence the integrity of the investigations. My favorite one was that POS canucks owner that is guilty of multiple crimes, all worse than these boys, and the police are too scared to investigate.
Thank you. Honestly, my life is going really well right now. I'm attending one of the best universities in the world pursuing my dream degree and have been blessed with so many amazing opportunities in recent years. I'm also 35 years old. The sad truth is that many women have their hopes, dreams, and futures stolen or delayed because of sexual violence. I wish I could be having my current life experiences as a carefree 17 year old instead, but I'm still so happy and grateful to be having them now.
I hope this can be a message of hope for anyone struggling as I did in the aftermath of something horrific. Take however much time you need to heal. There will be beautiful things waiting for you in the future.
You don't need me to say it, but sorry so much regarding these situations suck. Thanks for having the strength to post this here.
As a male who was molested by babysitters as a kid, they were f***ed up in their own right, it's a f***ed up, messy situation that isn't really just about courts of law, if that makes sense.
As I've said over and over...part of the problem is lack of empathy.
Some people have it...some people don't.
Kinda like the cilantro gene...not much you can do about it.
Those of you fighting the fight...keep on trucking....
Now back to THIS story...smdh. Heaven forbid should we acknowledge the strong survivors that have shared their horrific experiences. if it didn't move your needle...it never will.
Like her, I'm ok, maybe too ok. I'm old and doing fine, normal people problems, good relationships.
In my case, they were probably worse off than they needed to be and it got worse for them with time. Not hockey culture, just kids too young to babysit, from f***ed up families, being put into that situation they shouldn't have been..
Thank you. Honestly, my life is going really well right now. I'm attending one of the best universities in the world pursuing my dream degree and have been blessed with so many amazing opportunities in recent years. I'm also 35 years old. The sad truth is that many women have their hopes, dreams, and futures stolen or delayed because of sexual violence. I wish I could be having my current life experiences as a carefree 17 year old instead, but I'm still so happy and grateful to be having them now.
I hope this can be a message of hope for anyone struggling as I did in the aftermath of something horrific. Take however much time you need to heal. There will be beautiful things waiting for you in the future.
I’m a survivor too. I was 12. It takes time, and how much depends on so many different things.
No two stories are the same, but I’m glad you and you alone are writing the ending to yours.
There is countless of false rape accusations each year. Athletes are often victims of this behavior, because fame and money.
Studies say that 8-10% of rape accusations turn to be false. I don't have evidence that athletes have highter % of false accusations, but it is easy to assume this.
Evander Kane, Jake Virtanen, Matt Araiza and countless others are victims of trully heinous crimes.
To be clear, you do agree that the crime of rape is more heinous than a guy false accused of it, right?
And you claim 8 to 10% are false.you should probably source that.
Pretty sure the number of rapes that go unreported because of slut shaming, powerlessness, and the difficulty proving it is wàaaaaaaaaay higher than false accusations.
To be clear, you do agree that the crime of rape is more heinous than a guy false accused of it, right?
And you claim 8 to 10% are false.you should probably source that.
Pretty sure the number of rapes that go unreported because of slut shaming, powerlessness, and the difficulty proving it is wàaaaaaaaaay higher than false accusations.
I can add to this...the females are treated terribly and pressured to drop charges. Why? Universities and Organizations do not want these rapes to become public info. I can have my better half speak on it in more detail. There was pressure from everywhere to suppress these assaults. The reasons are many. She is brilliant and may want to add. I'll ask. No guarantees. But there's a whole underground trying to keep these from ever reaching daylight. I hope we can turn a corner.
I'm a woman as well as a survivor of group rape, so I guess I can share my thoughts based on my personal experience.
re: Pizza Guy: When I was getting raped, a guy randomly came into the room. He did not get a slice of pizza and leave. Instead, the guy raping me said "I'm done so you can have her now" and the new guy said "Okay" and raped me too. Pizza Guy is pathetic and spineless. He is not a rapist and shouldn't be put in remotely the same category as rapists.
I called one of my rapists the next morning and said a bunch of placating things trying to trick him into actually admitting that he raped me. I wasn't recording the call or anything. I just wanted to hear him admit he was wrong. He just kept lying and saying he'd never touched me. When I read EM's text messages, I think about that day.
Based on my own experience, EM probably has complicated feelings about each of her rapists. Maybe one of them said really nice things to her while he raped her. Maybe one of them apologized while he still continued to rape her. Maybe one of them laughed in her face and called her dehumanizing names as he raped her. Each of those 3 people would still be a rapist, but how she feels about them wouldn't be the same. I don't know if that will be a factor in the trial, but I think it's something to keep in mind. When multiple people rape you, it's hard not to "forgive" one or two because they were nicer rapists than the other ones.
My opinion on the 5 alleged rapists: I don't know for sure if they're rapists. I certainly have a lot of opinions on it, but I was thankfully not in that room with them. I don't need to know every single detail and hear a jury verdict to know that I never want to be in a room with any of them. And ultimately that's the only judgment I need to make on the matter. As a rape survivor, these are the judgments I make every single day to protect myself. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a fine standard in a courtroom, but in my daily life I assume the worst in people. Maybe that's sad, but it's necessary. My rapists had been my friends once.
To be clear, you do agree that the crime of rape is more heinous than a guy false accused of it, right?
And you claim 8 to 10% are false.you should probably source that.
Pretty sure the number of rapes that go unreported because of slut shaming, powerlessness, and the difficulty proving it is wàaaaaaaaaay higher than false accusations.
In my mind if someone is nasty and cruel enough to report false rape to authorities I believe that he/she should receive same punishment that rapist would get. It is real crime and this behavior worsen the reputations of actual victims. It's sickening that nowadays normal people must always at least assume that there is a chance that case is hoax.
Sure nowadays a lot of people are in #believeallwomen crowd who are willing to always believe that accused are guilty. But there are sick people out there who are willing to ruin someones live with lies.
There is enough hoaxes for past few years to prove my point.
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