Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Koivu11]

 

[KingJoffrey]

Maybe others have a different definition but I see a false accusation as a spiteful, jilted, vindictive lover trying to sully someone’s name or to get money, or a girl who totally makes up something for the same reasons. A not guilty verdict is not the same as a false accusation. There have been many many rapes that have not been reported or did not end in a conviction. The biggest miscarriage of justice is having an innocent person go to jail. For this reason there is the whole beyond reasonable doubt thing. Rape cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute because that beyond reasonable doubt thing, so there are many non convictions

Maybe others have a different definition but I see a false accusation as a spiteful, jilted, vindictive lover trying to sully someone’s name or to get money, or a girl who totally makes up something for the same reasons. A not guilty verdict is not the same as a false accusation. There have been many many rapes that have not been reported or did not end in a conviction. The biggest miscarriage of justice is having an innocent person go to jail. For this reason there is the whole beyond reasonable doubt thing. Rape cases are notoriously difficult to prosecute because that beyond reasonable doubt thing, so there are many non convictions

If the guy is famous they are looking for money. If the guy is a peasant like us the most common reason is that girl is a cheater and she makes up a story so she could play role of victim rather than be cheater or adulter.

Nowadays people are more selfish than ever and willing to lie about something like this only, because they can't handle the feeling to be one who have done wrong.

 

[Profet]

As I've said over and over...part of the problem is lack of empathy.

Some people have it...some people don't.

Kinda like the cilantro gene...not much you can do about it.

Those of you fighting the fight...keep on trucking....

Some day we will overcome this as a society.

Until then... Please do your part and fight the good fight:

Awareness website

 

[v00d00daddy]

I hope the London police are asked if the re opening of the investigation lead to additional/new evidence (statements, texts, video etc) that resulted in charges laid.

I’m sure they can’t go into detail but I’d be interested to know if they’d even give that much.

 

[saintunspecified]

As I've said over and over...part of the problem is lack of empathy.

Some people have it...some people don't.

Kinda like the cilantro gene...not much you can do about it.

It is true that there will be people who are nearly certain to become clinically & aggressively antisocial or will become psychopaths. But it is absolutely not the case that every person who does awful things completely lacks an fundamental human social ability. Also, there are people who naturally lack what may be considered fundamental human social abilities, but do *not* do awful things.

 

[T REX]

In my mind if someone is nasty and cruel enough to report false rape to authorities I believe that he/she should receive same punishment that rapist would get. It is real crime and this behavior worsen the reputations of actual victims. It's sickening that nowadays normal people must always at least assume that there is a chance that case is hoax.

Sure nowadays a lot of people are in #believeallwomen crowd who are willing to always believe that accused are guilty. But there are sick people out there who are willing to ruin someones live with lies.

There is enough hoaxes for past few years to prove my point.

This is just a way to rationalize victim blaming/shaming. Again, only .5% of rapes are "false".

Also, what does "worsen" the reputations of actual victims even mean? They are victims, period. Only people like you want to worsen their "reputation". WTH?

If you thought you were helping victims, you may want to re-read what you wrote. I guess some of you have finally wore me down.

Let's see what they say today about the potential "hoax" - smdh.

 

[Indrid Cold]

This is just a way to rationalize victim blaming/shaming. Again, only .5% of rapes are "false".

Also, what does "worsen" the reputations of actual victims even mean? They are victims, period. Only people like you want to worsen their "reputation". WTH?

If you thought you were helping victims, you may want to re-read what you wrote. I guess some of you have finally wore me down.

Let's see what they say today about the potential "hoax" - smdh.

Part of the 'victim blaming' is to try and prevent future victims. Sure, defense attorneys use it to try to get their client off, but something can be learned from it.

Saying a woman was a victim because of her behavior, like 'walking down the street in the middle of the night in a short skirt' led to the incident... It also warns others on what NOT to do. Victim blaming is crap, but putting the anger aside, something can be learned from it.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

It is true that there will be people who are nearly certain to become clinically & aggressively antisocial or will become psychopaths. But it is absolutely not the case that every person who does awful things completely lacks a fundamental human social ability. Also, there are people who naturally lack what may be considered fundamental human social abilities, but do *not* do awful things.

The first paragraph sounds like a serial killer or my former boss.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Some day we will overcome this as a society.

Until then... Please do your part and fight the good fight:

Awareness website

Society will never overcome this. There will always be rotten people. The best thing to do is learn to make good decisions to stay safer from those people.

 

[T REX]

To play devil's advocate believe all women and innocent until proven guilty are in opposition of each other.
While I agree with you that fake allegations make up a very small %, the foundation of criminal justice takes a different stance.

Let me know when hfboards becomes an actual courtroom and the judge arrives. Thanks.

Question, since you continue to want to play devil's advocate...woman gets raped...it's a he said/she said. The jury acquits...you think the woman should get jail time? Because that's what the poster above said in a roundabout way.

Again...let me know when we're in an actual courtroom. You also finally wore me down. Devil's Advocate. Smdh. Gtfo. Done with you, sir.

 

[canucksfan]

Two witnesses and paper and audio evidence.

 

[Edgelord]

Let me know when hfboards becomes an actual courtroom and the judge arrives. Thanks.

Question, since you continue to want to play devil's advocate...woman gets raped...it's a he said/she said. The jury acquits...you think the woman should get jail time? Because that's what the poster above said in a roundabout way.

Again...let me know when we're in an actual courtroom. You also finally wore me down. Devil's Advocate. Smdh. Gtfo. Done with you, sir.

Absolutely not, thats absurd.

 

[Edgelord]

Two witnesses and paper and audio evidence.

too bad they have a publication ban on who the other 2 players are

 

[saintunspecified]

The first paragraph sounds like a serial killer or my former boss.

don't tell me you're an architect :-P (gilgo beach reference)

 

[Konnan511]

too bad they have a publication ban on who the other 2 players are

How do you know they are players?

 

[saintunspecified]

This is just a way to rationalize victim blaming/shaming. Again, only .5% of rapes are "false".

It isn't reasonable for anyone to be certain about any accusation given no evidence other than an allegation. I think that people who decide to believe all such allegations simply because they are alleged will become disillusioned, and are apt to swing the other way, and believe none.

And it is *that* dynamic which people who bring up famous hoaxes summon in order to create prejudicial disbelief.

 

[Edgelord]

How do you know they are players?

good point, I don't I just assumed

 

[Fatass]

too bad they have a publication ban on who the other 2 players are

Are we sure the two protected witnesses are players who were at the rape and have been given plea bargains to be witnesses for the prosecution?

 

[Edgelord]

Are we sure the two protected witnesses are players who were at the rape and have been given plea bargains to be witnesses for the prosecution?

thats true, I assumed they were players due to the previous tid bits saying 7 players were there but 5 directly participated.

 

[red devil]

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

To play devil's advocate believe all women and innocent until proven guilty are in opposition of each other.
While I agree with you that fake allegations make up a very small %, the foundation of criminal justice takes a different stance.
As much as it really is unpalatable to question her claims, its paramount to justice. If you start to undermine the foundation of the justice system you end up like New York, where self defence on a subway gets you jail and assaulting cops gets you bail.
Or you get arrested at a comedy show for a mean joke but others get bail for stabbing 3 people.

Hi. New Yorker here. I can firmly tell you no one who actually lives here would call that self defense. It's psycho behavior. If you have any other questions about outrage bait you see on television or online, let me know.

 

[Statto]

To play devil's advocate believe all women and innocent until proven guilty are in opposition of each other.
While I agree with you that fake allegations make up a very small %, the foundation of criminal justice takes a different stance.
As much as it really is unpalatable to question her claims, its paramount to justice. If you start to undermine the foundation of the justice system you end up like New York, where self defence on a subway gets you jail and assaulting cops gets you bail.
Or you get arrested at a comedy show for a mean joke but others get bail for stabbing 3 people.

The important nuance is that all women should be treated as if they are believed. So they need to be supported, listened to and the incidents fully investigated to a conclusion.. To then also treat the accused as innocent until proven guilty is not a juxtaposition.

The problem has that historically things weren’t always investigated because those making these decisions didn’t believe the victim because they were drunk, wore a short skirt, weren’t pretty enough, ‘the guy could have anybody’ (so why would he need to) etc. Then if the accused was too rich, powerful or famous a whole host of other motivations would also prevent an investigation.

So the accuser needs to be treated as if they are believed regardless of the investigators personal beliefs until the evidence says otherwise. Equally the accused shouldn’t be hung out to dry until convicted or a law suit goes against them.

 

[I am toxic]

Are we sure the two protected witnesses are players who were at the rape and have been given plea bargains to be witnesses for the prosecution?

It's virtually certain.

7 players from that 2018 world junior team lawyered up back in the summer of 2022 to discredit E.M., but police only recommended charges against 5 players from that team.

The only other reasonable candidates are the first woman that was approached, and M.M.

However, nothing indicates that those two individuals obtained counsel that appeared at the hearing before the jp, making it highly unlikely it was them.l


Eta: as Yukon Joe points out, publication bans are to protect the victim's identity, so unlikely it would be any of the players, but since Mother contacted police and (at the time) step-father contacted Hockey Canada, both having witnessed/direct knowledge the morning of, quite likely they would be witnesses and revealing their names would clearly identify E.M.

 

[KingJoffrey]

This is just a way to rationalize victim blaming/shaming. Again, only .5% of rapes are "false".

Also, what does "worsen" the reputations of actual victims even mean? They are victims, period. Only people like you want to worsen their "reputation". WTH?

If you thought you were helping victims, you may want to re-read what you wrote. I guess some of you have finally wore me down.

Let's see what they say today about the potential "hoax" - smdh.

That .5% is your myth talking point. You can't make it as fact even if you repeat it.

Those who lie about rape make it harder for real victims to be believed. Making that real victims are less willing to fight and endure hard process.

There is a lot of horrible people who are willing to lie that x raped her. And you are the one reason why their number increase. Because you're willing to believe their lies.

Your view will only change when someone close to you gets wrongfully accused.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Got to be the most excitement in London ON since ..... EVER