Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Danarqhy]

The smirk of someone who knows he did something terrible and got away with it... or so he thought.

 

[dirtydanglez]

That confirms McLeod is player 1 hence the two charges

does it tho? could it not mean that mcleod had a lesser role so the police added a lesser charge to make sure they still had a good chance at a conviction. or could he have been responsible for inviting the other players to the room without being the initial player that the woman sexual contact with. im not suggesting he isn't player one just saying there could be other possibilities.

 

[Magic Mittens]

I hate the fact that I ever cheered for Mike McLeod, king f'n scumbag

I always traded for him in be a GM mode, that won't be happening anymore!

Obviously, there's a chance they aren't found guilty, but it just doesn't feel right now having anything to do with the 5 accused

 

[HugeInTheShire]

I always traded for him in be a GM mode, that won't be happening anymore!

Obviously, there's a chance they aren't found guilty, but it just doesn't feel right now having anything to do with the 5 accused

It doesn't really matter if they're found not guilty, the stink of this situation will not go away.
Even just the agreed facts of what happened are enough to ruin all 5 of these guys hopes at continuing their NHL careers.

 

[theVladiator]

They need to investigate the whole team and see who knew what and who was silent all these years. I'm not joking one bit...they are all complicit. It's like that thin blue line. Vow of silence. Anyone who knew...banished. No matter how big of a star they are right now.

Edit: It will be very easy to go back and check cell phone texts and see who texted who about this. Anyone with knowledge...indefinite suspension. No matter how big of star they are...banished.

Hold your horses. Whom should they have reported it to? The police? The victim herself immediately reported the matter to the police. It's just that the police closed the investigation without laying charges (and presumably without interviewing all of the witnesses). The matter was reviewed and the players cleared.

Now, if these guys do get convicted, I think the next logical step would be to look into the reasons for the police to abandon and close the original investigation...

 

[Bcap88]

does it tho? could it not mean that mcleod had a lesser role so the police added a lesser charge to make sure they still had a good chance at a conviction. or could he have been responsible for inviting the other players to the room without being the initial player that the woman sexual contact with. im not suggesting he isn't player one just saying there could be other possibilities.

To me,
It’s fairly laid out, player 1 had sex with victim which was originally consensual, player 1 then text the other players to come to the room(party/aidding) player 1 then also takes part in the un consensual group sex (the sexual assault charge itself).

Player 1 is the wheel that turns this whole thing.
if player one never sends out that text messages to the other players non of this happens. It would be two consenting adults at that point.

Because McLeod got charged with two counts likely indicates he was the one that sent out the text (which is player 1) according to the documents.

 

[rielledup]

They need to investigate the whole team and see who knew what and who was silent all these years. I'm not joking one bit...they are all complicit. It's like that thin blue line. Vow of silence. Anyone who knew...banished. No matter how big of a star they are right now.

Edit: It will be very easy to go back and check cell phone texts and see who texted who about this. Anyone with knowledge...indefinite suspension. No matter how big of star they are...banished.

I would imagine if they told anyone they told it in a way that made it seem like she was into it and it was consensual. Highly doubt they'd tell the story in a way that makes it look like sexual assault

 

[TheNumber4]

How many of these 5 players got multi year extensions? Only Dube?

 

[dirtydanglez]

To me,
It’s fairly laid out, player 1 had sex with victim which was originally consensual, player 1 then text the other players to come to the room(party/aidding) player 1 then also takes part in the un consensual group sex (the sexual assault charge itself).

Player 1 is the wheel that turns this whole thing.
if player one never sends out that text messages to the other players non of this happens. It would be two consenting adults at that point.

Because McLeod got charged with two counts likely indicates he was the one that sent out the text (which is player 1) according to the documents.

sounds logical and could very well be exactly what happened. i would just be surprised to find out that formenton wasn't the main actor since he was the only player blackballed from the nhl.

 

[Danarqhy]

sounds logical and could very well be exactly what happened. i would just be surprised to find out that formenton wasn't the main actor since he was the only player blackballed from the nhl.

He could be "player 2", the one who admitted he never even spoke to E.M. before engaging in sexual acts with her.

Also, I've heard that the Melnyk girls were absolutely pissed about what happened so who knows if they revealed anything to the other teams about his involvement (wouldn't be shocked, and I don't think it's illegal). Hell I would of made sure the POS never had employment in the league too if I was in their position.

 

[blues10]

Does anyone know what the term of incarceration is for the charges in the case if convicted? I was looking online and came across - 1 -10 years. Is that accurate?

 

[Xirik]

The smirk of someone who knows he did something terrible and got away with it... or so he thought.View attachment 813742

yes, He's a old cartoon badguy who wears a top hat and a curly mustache.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Does anyone know what the term of incarceration is for the charges in the case if convicted? I was looking online and came across - 1 -10 years. Is that accurate?

271 Everyone who commits a sexual assault is guilty of

• (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years or, if the complainant is under the age of 16 years, to imprisonment for a term of not more than 14 years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; or
• (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months or, if the complainant is under the age of 16 years, to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years less a day and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months.

 

[Bcap88]

He could be "player 2", the one who admitted he never even spoke to E.M. before engaging in sexual acts with her.

Also, I've heard that the Melnyk girls were absolutely pissed about what happened so who knows if they revealed anything to the other teams about his involvement (wouldn't be shocked, and I don't think it's illegal). Hell I would have made sure the POS never had employment in the league too if I was in their position.

If I remember correctly, player 2 got separated from the group because player 2 was under age and not allowed into the bar. McLeod was of age at the time.
Formenton was not

 

[Regal]

I would imagine if they told anyone they told it in a way that made it seem like she was into it and it was consensual. Highly doubt they'd tell the story in a way that makes it look like sexual assault

Seems likely. I also don’t believe the league could legally justify a ban on players for simply knowing about it.

 

[3074326]

I would imagine if they told anyone they told it in a way that made it seem like she was into it and it was consensual. Highly doubt they'd tell the story in a way that makes it look like sexual assault

I agree.

I also think video recording consent is a massive red flag. Why would you do that? I've never felt obligated to get video consent from anyone I've ever slept with, but I'm also not a rapist. You get video consent because you think you'll need it.... which begs the question why would you need to prove it....

 

[PenCapChew]

If I remember correctly, player 2 got separated from the group because player 2 was under age and not allowed into the bar. McLeod was of age at the time.
Formenton was not

You must be at least 19 years old to drink alcohol in Ontario. He was 18 and an adult, just under the age of being able to get into a bar. This is my understanding.

 

[Edgelord]

I felt more awkward watching that player draft than the player who popped in for a slice of pizza

 

[Bcap88]

You must be at least 19 years old to drink alcohol in Ontario. He was 18 and an adult, just under the age of being able to get into a bar. This is my understanding.

I should have clarified but this is the correct understanding

 

[PaulD]

Hold your horses. Whom should they have reported it to? The police? The victim herself immediately reported the matter to the police. It's just that the police closed the investigation without laying charges (and presumably without interviewing all of the witnesses). The matter was reviewed and the players cleared.

Now, if these guys do get convicted, I think the next logical step would be to look into the reasons for the police to abandon and close the original investigation...

Yup.
And you can bet they will be asked about that during the presser on Monday 5th in London

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

The delivery on the whole "if she says no, obviously means no, but she's not gonna say no because of the (More ominous tone) Implication" is fantastic.

"We just have golf clubs, we aren't going to use them bro. But she'll say yes. Because of the implication"

 

[T REX]

Hold your horses. Whom should they have reported it to? The police? The victim herself immediately reported the matter to the police. It's just that the police closed the investigation without laying charges (and presumably without interviewing all of the witnesses). The matter was reviewed and the players cleared.

Now, if these guys do get convicted, I think the next logical step would be to look into the reasons for the police to abandon and close the original investigation...

Naw. The only way to change this behavior is to root it all out and punish everyone. If you got a text and didn't say anything? Indefinite suspension. FEAR will change future players behavior. Yeah, some will be sacrificed for the greater good. That is how you change culture. Sorry but not sorry. It will be easy to connect the dots. Any player that had previous knowledge and didn't speak up...see ya. Then you move onto the GMs that KNEW and did nothing. It'll be a bloodbath but that is how you usher in change. Otherwise, you'll have the same crap happen again and again.

 

[Hinterland]

It doesn't really matter if they're found not guilty, the stink of this situation will not go away.
Even just the agreed facts of what happened are enough to ruin all 5 of these guys hopes at continuing their NHL careers.

Yeah. NHL totally can't afford to just look the other way when police is accusing their players of something like this. That's particularly true for McLeod...with the information already out there we can say his actions are beyond disgusting pretty much no matter the outcome in court.

Other players have been suspended by the NHL as well in previous cases after being charged.

 

[T REX]

I would imagine if they told anyone they told it in a way that made it seem like she was into it and it was consensual. Highly doubt they'd tell the story in a way that makes it look like sexual assault

Plausible deniability. No. You hold their feet to the fire if they want to play in the NHL. Bettman needs to grow a sac and throw down the hammer. Stop babying everyone. Once you put the fear of losing millions...watch how fast they chirp.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Read a lot of garbage spewed towards Batherson when there were yet to be formal charges laid against any persons.