HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #92: Waiting on the Draft edition

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I saw a comment that Dach and Newhook are Hughes' two major trades.

That is not correct.

The other major trades include Petry-Matheson, Sean Monahan (multiple times), the Patrick Laine acquisition, the Toffoli/Chiarot/Lehkonen/Kulak sales, and moving up in the draft to acquire Michael Hage.

Hughes is an active man.

Dach - because hes a big, right handed centre i was fine with it, but that wasn't a good trade.

Newhook- didn't like it and he hasn't done anything to make anyone think otherwise.

Petry - Matheson - got a useful players for one that didn't want to be here anymore, but he's not part of this team when they're ready to really push forward, so he needs to be dealt, otherwise it's a very minor deal and at this point you're probably getting a 2nd, or a 3rd for him.

Monahan- great trade got a 1st to take him on, waiting to see what becomes of that. Then traded him away for a 1st and used that 1st (plus a 2nd) to draft Hage. Huge win.

Laine - didn't want him because I assumed it would cost more and hes often injured and not as good as he was.

Was wrong on the cost to acquire him, but right on how he's not good. I'm still waiting for those who argued with me, or would just laugh react to admit they were wrong.

Toffoli - got a 1st, Heineman and a later pick. Don't remember what that later pick became, but Heineman has been solid. The 1st was Mesar, so a disappointment. This trade, as of right now is maybe a meh.

Chariot - got a 1st and Smilanic as the pieces I remember.

1st was traded with a 2nd for Newhook, shit deal. Smilanic wasn't even an AHLer. Bad trade in that they got those assets and they turned into nothing worth while. Maybe the habs can use Newhook and a 1st for someone useful and save it somewhat.

Lehkonen for a 2nd and Barron. Barron wasn't working out and got traded for Carrier. Next year if the Habs can trade him retained for a solid return would make this trade a win. 2nd round pick was traded to move up and get Hage. Lehkonen took off in Colorado, so this could be a nice win for both teams, right now it's a win for the avs and not bad for the Habs.

Kulak for a 2nd and a 7th isnt really a big trade, but just seems like it because the habs decided to take a chance and draft Hutson. This relies solely on a bunch of teams being like "yeah, Hutson is too small", including the habs. If the Habs really likes him, they would have traded up to gran him.

So, are we even sure we want Hughes and Co. to make a big trade for a 2nd line centre ? There's a pretty good chance they f*** it up.

 

[HabsMD97]

I would like a McTavish or Beniers for our 2C. I think both can flourish here as a good 2C. McTavish can be a bigger/gritty center behind suzuki/protect a bit Demidov and Beniers can take défensive responsability from suzuki. Both L center with poor season. Seattle have other options (Catton can graduate and wright has been good) and McTavish seems to underacheive LIKE A LOT of their players (maybe rookie coach problems)

most ducks fans believe McTavish is a better winger than center, I think Beniers would be the perfect 2C here. He's very similar to Hischier, his offence has been neutered bc of the way Seattle plays. Demidov can turn him into a 65pt+ center and he's excellent defensively. I actually hope Seattle wins the lottery (if not us) and drafts Misa so they'll be more inclined to trade Beniers.

 

[DrBizz4r3]

most ducks fans believe McTavish is a better winger than center, I think Beniers would be the perfect 2C here. He's very similar to Hischier, his offence has been neutered bc of the way Seattle plays. Demidov can turn him into a 65pt+ center and he's excellent defensively. I actually hope Seattle wins the lottery (if not us) and drafts Misa so they'll be more inclined to trade Beniers.

Yeah, the last thing I want is a no man’s land winger/center (again). I just find it funny that Hughes said he gather informations for trades this summer and verbeek said he said a lot of no on trade proposition. Hope it was not for zegras…
Totally agree. With Beniers/Wright/Stephenson and maybe Catton. Misa would make it real interesting

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

We need vets also or you end up like Buffalo. If you look at Buffalo they have a very young team with very little or no vets at all. We can't just keep stacking the team with youth and expect them to learn the ins and outs of being a pro hockey player on and off the ice.

Buffalo is a bad example, where you ommit to talk about when Pegula bought the team in the first rebuild where they brought in several vets and it didn't work out. Neither avenues worked for Buffalo and it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with bringing in vets or not.

 

[EXPOS123]

Would anyone do Caulfield + our 2 first rounders to Seattle for Beniers + their first rounder?

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Would anyone do Caulfield + our 2 first rounders to Seattle for Beniers + their first rounder?

We need a 2nd line LHC but not at the expense of the only guy who can score goals on our team, no thanks

 

[EXPOS123]

We need a 2nd line LHC but not at the expense of the only guy who can score goals on our team, no thanks

But then you replace Caulfield with a Marner.

Point is It’s way easier to find a winger and I think it’s obvious by now that any team that wants to contend absolutely needs to be very strong up the middle

 

[Skip Bayless]

Would anyone do Caulfield + our 2 first rounder to Seattle for Beniers + their first rounder?

Not for Beniers, but more for a Wyatt Johnston or Tage Thompson type of proven talent.

 

[Treb]

I was thinking the same thing after seeing them obtain Weber's contract. Is there another team that may struggle to reach the rising cap floor this summer?

The floor is 70.6 million.

Anaheim is currently at 55.95 with a 15 man roster. McTavish, Lundestrom, Leason, Colangelo, Dostal and Helleson are their RFAs on the roster.

UFA are Fabbri, Husso, McGinn and Kylington.

If all the RFA stay on the roster, they need to sign/re-sign/call-up 1 D and 1 other player (D or F).

Decent chance those would be Luneau and whoever they pick with their 1st.

If they go young, there is a definite chance Price's contract could be useful to them. Depends on the Mctavish and Dostal deal.

 

[EXPOS123]

Not for Beniers, but more for a Wyatt Johnston or Tage Thompson type of proven talent.

I hadn’t mentioned Johnston because he just signed an extension but yes Thompson is another one to target

 

[The Great Weal]

Not for Beniers, but more for a Wyatt Johnston or Tage Thompson type of proven talent.

Wyatt Johnston isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I'm hoping Tage Thompson is one of the players Hughes was looking at that wasn't even rumored to be available as per his press conference.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Given the Habs closeness and great locker room spirit, I doubt they trade any significant players. More likely they trade their picks, prospects and use cap to add to the core they already have. I think that’s more likely than moving a core piece like Suzuki, Slaf, Cole, Slf, Demidov, Reinbacher and Hutson. Outside of them, I can see anyone else being made available.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Would anyone do Caulfield + our 2 first rounders to Seattle for Beniers + their first rounder?

I wouldn't. It punches way too big of a hole on the right wing then because if Laine doesn't work out long term then our top 6 right wings become Anderson and Gallagher going into the 2026-2027 season.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Wyatt Johnston isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I'm hoping Tage Thompson is one of the players Hughes was looking at that wasn't even rumored to be available as per his press conference.

I'm not proposing Johnston as a target necessarily, I was just giving an example of a player who has reached or is close to reaching their potential, which is what we should be aiming at if we trade one of the best goalscorers in the game.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Dach - because hes a big, right handed centre i was fine with it, but that wasn't a good trade.

Newhook- didn't like it and he hasn't done anything to make anyone think otherwise.

Petry - Matheson - got a useful players for one that didn't want to be here anymore, but he's not part of this team when they're ready to really push forward, so he needs to be dealt, otherwise it's a very minor deal and at this point you're probably getting a 2nd, or a 3rd for him.

Monahan- great trade got a 1st to take him on, waiting to see what becomes of that. Then traded him away for a 1st and used that 1st (plus a 2nd) to draft Hage. Huge win.

Laine - didn't want him because I assumed it would cost more and hes often injured and not as good as he was.

Was wrong on the cost to acquire him, but right on how he's not good. I'm still waiting for those who argued with me, or would just laugh react to admit they were wrong.

Toffoli - got a 1st, Heineman and a later pick. Don't remember what that later pick became, but Heineman has been solid. The 1st was Mesar, so a disappointment. This trade, as of right now is maybe a meh.

Chariot - got a 1st and Smilanic as the pieces I remember.

1st was traded with a 2nd for Newhook, shit deal. Smilanic wasn't even an AHLer. Bad trade in that they got those assets and they turned into nothing worth while. Maybe the habs can use Newhook and a 1st for someone useful and save it somewhat.

Lehkonen for a 2nd and Barron. Barron wasn't working out and got traded for Carrier. Next year if the Habs can trade him retained for a solid return would make this trade a win. 2nd round pick was traded to move up and get Hage. Lehkonen took off in Colorado, so this could be a nice win for both teams, right now it's a win for the avs and not bad for the Habs.

Kulak for a 2nd and a 7th isnt really a big trade, but just seems like it because the habs decided to take a chance and draft Hutson. This relies solely on a bunch of teams being like "yeah, Hutson is too small", including the habs. If the Habs really likes him, they would have traded up to gran him.

So, are we even sure we want Hughes and Co. to make a big trade for a 2nd line centre ? There's a pretty good chance they f*** it up.

There is a problem with your assessment.

When it comes to the return in a trade (picks), you base the value of the trade on the value of the pick, rather than the final outcome of the pick itself. The Chiarot and Monahan trades were massive wins because Hughes got higher value in return than expected. What those 1st round picks became is irrelevant.

The Matheson trade was a massive win. . There is no other way to view that. Matheson turned into a 60pt dman while Petry turned into a capdump.

The Newhook deal IMO was IMO the only real loss. You could also argue that trading Kovacevic for a 3rd was a big loss as well.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

There is a problem with your assessment.

When it comes to the return in a trade (picks), you base the value of the trade on the value of the pick, rather than the final outcome of the pick itself. The Chiarot and Monahan trades were massive wins because Hughes got higher value in return than expected. What those 1st round picks became is irrelevant.

The Matheson trade was a massive win. . There is no other way to view that. Matheson turned into a 60pt dman while Petry turned into a capdump.

The Newhook deal IMO was IMO the only real loss. You could also argue that trading Kovacevic for a 3rd was a big loss as well.

I said the Monahan trade was a win at both ends.

You could trade Pezzetta for the 1st overall pick in a draft, but if you draft someone who doesn't become better than Pezzetta you lost that deal. Just like the Habs, right now have nothing of value from that Chariot trade. It's Mesar's 1st pro seasons so there's time, but the injuries and low production have lowered his value to pretty low.

Getting Matheson and having him pot 60 points in a season is great, but it's more he could have then sent Matheson retained and got a killer return, but he held onto him and now he's basically got the value of Ghost if he's even traded. Once his contract is up, a good GM isn't bringing him back. Matheson likely cost the Habs from finish higher and potentially having Adam Fantilli instead of Reinbacher, who has looked good and could be a real nice player, but today Fantilli is much better and would be a nice centre to go with Suzuki for the 1-2 spot.

Kovacevic trade was fair at the time. Mostly a healthy scratch and wasnt the best on the ice, but the team sucked. He found a spot in New Jersey and good for him. I wouldn't say that's a loss.

Tanner Pearson, while not a big trade got the Habs a player and a pick. Unfortunate that the team sucked that they couldn't make Pearson look better and trade him, but whatever still got a 3rd for taking him on. That's a smaller, good trade.

He hasn't made a big trade for an established player who has value, so that's a new area and there's a chance he could do well.

I'd still take him a billion times over Bergevin, but there's definitely some smell starting to emanate off of him.

Hoping he just crushes it at the draft/free agency and we aren't going into next year with just Demidov as the new addition

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I said the Monahan trade was a win at both ends.

You could trade Pezzetta for the 1st overall pick in a draft, but if you draft someone who doesn't become better than Pezzetta you lost that deal. Just like the Habs, right now have nothing of value from that Chariot trade. It's Mesar's 1st pro seasons so there's time, but the injuries and low production have lowered his value to pretty low.

Getting Matheson and having him pot 60 points in a season is great, but it's more he could have then sent Matheson retained and got a killer return, but he held onto him and now he's basically got the value of Ghost if he's even traded. Once his contract is up, a good GM isn't bringing him back. Matheson likely cost the Habs from finish higher and potentially having Adam Fantilli instead of Reinbacher, who has looked good and could be a real nice player, but today Fantilli is much better and would be a nice centre to go with Suzuki for the 1-2 spot.

Kovacevic trade was fair at the time. Mostly a healthy scratch and wasnt the best on the ice, but the team sucked. He found a spot in New Jersey and good for him. I wouldn't say that's a loss.

Tanner Pearson, while not a big trade got the Habs a player and a pick. Unfortunate that the team sucked that they couldn't make Pearson look better and trade him, but whatever still got a 3rd for taking him on. That's a smaller, good trade.

He hasn't made a big trade for an established player who has value, so that's a new area and there's a chance he could do well.

I'd still take him a billion times over Bergevin, but there's definitely some smell starting to emanate off of him.

Hoping he just crushes it at the draft/free agency and we aren't going into next year with just Demidov as the new addition

Using your logic, the Habs fleeced the Oilers because they got Lane Hutson (2nd round pick) for Kulak. That's not how it works.

You can win a trade but then blow the draft pick on a player who doesn't amount to anything.

 

[Benstheman]

Would anyone do Caulfield + our 2 first rounders to Seattle for Beniers + their first rounder?

Man

 

[HabzSauce]

Using your logic, the Habs fleeced the Oilers because they got Lane Hutson (2nd round pick) for Kulak. That's not how it works.

You can win a trade but then blow the draft pick on a player who doesn't amount to anything.

Agreed they are two separate things.

Tofolli for Heineman + 1st is excellent trade. What Hugo did with that pick is another story.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Would anyone do Caulfield + our 2 first rounders to Seattle for Beniers + their first rounder?

I'd have no problem trading our two 1sts, but not Caufield. Seattle actually has a pretty deep forward system, too. They could use LD, though. Both on the club & in the system.

 

[TomKosto]

Using your logic, the Habs fleeced the Oilers because they got Lane Hutson (2nd round pick) for Kulak. That's not how it works.

You can win a trade but then blow the draft pick on a player who doesn't amount to anything.

So our problem is managment drafting bad during a rebuild? Yikes, it hurts.

 

[sampollock]

There's no way they'll trade CC
30 goal scorer not a chance Montreal needs all the scoring they can get

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I'd have no problem trading our two 1sts, but not Caufield. Seattle actually has a pretty deep forward system, too. They could use LD, though. Both on the club & in the system.

...so we need to convince them to take Metheson...sounds good to me...

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Not for Beniers, but more for a Wyatt Johnston or Tage Thompson type of proven talent.

Not a chance on Thompson. Johnston maybe.

 

[BLONG7]

There's no way they'll trade CC
30 goal scorer not a chance Montreal needs all the scoring they can get

Soon..........to be a 40 goal scorer.
No way we trade CC...................unless there is aproven Centre coming back. Even then..........I don't think so.