HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #92: Waiting on the Draft edition

[Ezpz]

I think we're going to throw stupid money at him. Like 7x9M or something.

For a 50 point guy? I'd be down to overpay him but not by that much.

 

[Habs]

it's lame coming to HF and knowing we can't get better or expect a change at this point in the season. Disappointing deadline, and the boys look happy to coast the rest of the way now that they have their buddies here till April

 

[Benstheman]

Player needs to want to be here. Historically the ones we got lucky with had played for a Canadian team before (Cammalleri with CGY, Hamrlik with CGY, Cole with EDM, to an extent Radulov in QC City) so it depends how player is wired and how he sees our team. Tavares could be Sundin 2.0, let's hope the disrespect by management and fans make him want to turn into a villain à la John Cena

Agreed. But nonetheless, there has to be money incentives to.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I’ve been saying it: Bennett


I know, I know it won’t happen.

You sign Bennett for 7 years. You're happy the first 4 years and the last 3 years he decline, he's overpaid and you regret the contract. That's the deal with that kind of player at his age.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

On a side note does Weber's contract being dealt mean there is possibility for Price's to be dealt this summer?

Yes, especially after we pay his bonus. There will be teams that can't meet the minimum & may want his cap hit. If not, there's only one year left so not a big deal.

 

[Archijerej]

Until now his two main trades have been underwhelming : Dach and Newhook have Not met expectations. Laine is slow and always injured.

These two trades don't look good right now. No argument from me.

That said, they are indicative of the style of management Hugo has shown so far. Once they identified a need, they acted to address it and were not shy of spending assets to do it. This sounds like something obvious for a GM, but it's quite a contrast with Bergevin, who was more focused on getting abstract "value" from his trades, often with little relation to roster construction. Thus, we had glaring holes for years with little to no visible effort to address them.

As a side note, I'd say Matheson was also a major trade. They had a disgruntled and aging Petry on their hands and managed to exchange him for a guy that ate tons of hard minutes while our youth developed, scored a lot of points and was the only consistent source of transition ability from the blueline for two seasons. He's still on our top 4 and we'll get a nice asset for him should we decide to move him. Good trade.

 

[Benstheman]

I think players are smart enough to see the Habs are on the up and up. If you’re looking for a 5+ year contract, then you should see the Habs lineup and be enticed, assuming your goal is to win the Cup.

We still have to overpay for tax reasons though, that’s for sure.

Yeah. I don't think I would go more than 4 years for a ufa. Probably guys like Granlund and Duchene won't ask for more than 3 years. Maybe Granlund we would need to give him the 4th year if we want to win the auction.

As for Bennett, off course he will ask for 7 years but I don't give him that because we still will have to overpay him and after the 4th year, it will be problematic. So if Bennett is the no.1 target for Hugo, I would give him the 9M$ per but only for 4 years. If after 3 years, Hage or any other prospect is ready to take the 2C spot, you move Bennett to wing or you trade him at 50% retention for the last year of his contract.

 

[Benstheman]

I think we're going to throw stupid money at him. Like 7x9M or something.

I seriously doubt it.

But I would do 3-4 years at 9M$ though. As we can afford to overpay for this term with the big raise in salary cap.

 

[Archijerej]

With his age and style of play, Bennett is probably someone you sign if you are already a contender with a 3-4-year window, after which you don't really care what happens.

I'm not sure he's the right target for this reason.

 

[The Great Weal]

I wonder if we trade the Price contract to the Hawks like how Utah traded the Weber one.

 

[DAChampion]

Can the Habs afford Marner?

He probably wants 7 years × 13 million per, and honestly I'm surprised the Leafs did not offer that. The Leafs without Marner are a bubble team at best.

 

[Benstheman]

Can the Habs afford Marner?

He probably wants 7 years × 13 million per, and honestly I'm surprised the Leafs did not offer that. The Leafs without Marner are a bubble team at best.

We absolutely can afford to pay big bucks for 1 UFA. Identify your target and pay.

 

[vokiel]

I would expect our management to know better as having been on the other side of the fence

Bennett and Hughes are on the same side of the fence, the Quartexx side.

 

[RationalExpectations]

These two trades don't look good right now. No argument from me.

That said, they are indicative of the style of management Hugo has shown so far. Once they identified a need, they acted to address it and were not shy of spending assets to do it. This sounds like something obvious for a GM, but it's quite a contrast with Bergevin, who was more focused on getting abstract "value" from his trades, often with little relation to roster construction. Thus, we had glaring holes for years with little to no visible effort to address them.

As a side note, I'd say Matheson was also a major trade. They had a disgruntled and aging Petry on their hands and managed to exchange him for a guy that ate tons of hard minutes while our youth developed, scored a lot of points and was the only consistent source of transition ability from the blueline for two seasons. He's still on our top 4 and we'll get a nice asset for him should we decide to move him. Good trade.

I agree with the fact that I prefer Hugo to MB due to the fact they at least chose a direction and Stick with it.

 

[DAChampion]

We absolutely can afford to pay big bucks for 1 UFA. Identify your target and pay.

Ok, fantasy rebuilding proposal for kicks,

Trade a 1st, a 2nd, Dach, Newhook, and Mailloux for Thomas.
Acquire Marner for 7 years × 13 million per year.

Demidov - Suzuki - Marner
Caulfield - Thomas - Slafkovsky
Heinemen - Beck - Laine
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher
Spare: Roy , Davidson, Kappanen

Hutson - Matheson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher
Spare: Struble, Engstrom

Laine on the third line would have the impact that Kessel did got Pittsburgh when he was on the third line. If he doesn't play well next year then he loses his spot to a prospect.

 

[TomKosto]

I think we're going to throw stupid money at him. Like 7x9M or something.

Really doubt they give him more money than Suzuki. Probably 7x7. I'm just not sure about long term deal with Sam. He deserves it but he plays so intense, his body gonna be a problem in 2-3years. I would prefer to go for someone short term like Granlund/Nelson till some of our guys are ready.

 

[TomKosto]

Ok, fantasy rebuilding proposal for kicks,

Trade a 1st, a 2nd, Dach, Newhook, and Mailloux for Thomas.
Acquire Marner for 7 years × 13 million per year.

Demidov - Suzuki - Marner
Caulfield - Thomas - Slafkovsky
Heinemen - Beck - Laine
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher
Spare: Roy , Davidson, Kappanen

Hutson - Matheson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher
Spare: Struble, Engstrom

Laine on the third line would have the impact that Kessel did got Pittsburgh when he was on the third line. If he doesn't play well next year then he loses his spot to a prospect.

Love the optimism but we are not getting Robert Thomas for bunch of crap. If they ever decide to trade him, teams are gonna lineup to get him. StLouis probably gonna want one elite asset in return, just not happening...

 

[sampollock]

this team better use the all these picks they have and such to get a really good 2C
if not we will be bottom feeders again

 

[Habs]

You sign Bennett for 7 years. You're happy the first 4 years and the last 3 years he decline, he's overpaid and you regret the contract. That's the deal with that kind of player at his age.

Yet everyone wants Crosby and his Salary at 38+ lol
HeZ Gotz KARAKTER

 

[RationalExpectations]

Ok, fantasy rebuilding proposal for kicks,

Trade a 1st, a 2nd, Dach, Newhook, and Mailloux for Thomas.
Acquire Marner for 7 years × 13 million per year.

Demidov - Suzuki - Marner
Caulfield - Thomas - Slafkovsky
Heinemen - Beck - Laine
Anderson - Evans - Gallagher
Spare: Roy , Davidson, Kappanen

Hutson - Matheson
Guhle - Carrier
Xhekaj - Reinbacher
Spare: Struble, Engstrom

Laine on the third line would have the impact that Kessel did got Pittsburgh when he was on the third line. If he doesn't play well next year then he loses his spot to a prospect.

Don t see Marner leaving TOR because of the 8th year they are able to offer. Thomas won t be traded by STL, would be like asking MTL to trade Suzuki.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Yet everyone wants Crosby and his Salary at 38+ lol
HeZ Gotz KARAKTER

Gally and Anderson have KaraKter too. With his style of play, you thing Bennett will age well?
How much money/term you are willing to pay to get Bennett?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Player needs to want to be here. Historically the ones we got lucky with had played for a Canadian team before (Cammalleri with CGY, Hamrlik with CGY, Cole with EDM, to an extent Radulov in QC City) so it depends how player is wired and how he sees our team. Tavares could be Sundin 2.0, let's hope the disrespect by management and fans make him want to turn into a villain à la John Cena

With his financial troubles with Canada Revenu, he might just want to live in the US to avoid anything else similar happening or just simply as a middle finger by paying less canadian income tax as possible.

 

[ReHabs]

Would take Marner in a heartbeat. Tavares however I think he’s a class player but too slow to invest big money into and give him the big role. If he can do what Giroux did in Ottawa, then I’m all for it.

 

[OldCraig71]

Can the Habs afford Marner?

He probably wants 7 years × 13 million per, and honestly I'm surprised the Leafs did not offer that. The Leafs without Marner are a bubble team at best.

If Marner leaves Toronto, the last place he would ever sign is Montreal. He hasn't responded well to the scrutiny in Leaf land, and it would be just as tough to play here. If he leaves, I see him heading to an American team, not necessarily a contender. He seems to be all about the money over winning a cup and certainly hasn't been a guy who stepped up come playoff time.

 

[DAChampion]

I saw a comment that Dach and Newhook are Hughes' two major trades.

That is not correct.

The other major trades include Petry-Matheson, Sean Monahan (multiple times), the Patrick Laine acquisition, the Toffoli/Chiarot/Lehkonen/Kulak sales, and moving up in the draft to acquire Michael Hage.

Hughes is an active man.