HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #92: Waiting on the Draft edition

[DAChampion]

If Marner leaves Toronto, the last place he would ever sign is Montreal. He hasn't responded well to the scrutiny in Leaf land, and it would be just as tough to play here. If he leaves, I see him heading to an American team, not necessarily a contender. He seems to be all about the money over winning a cup and certainly hasn't been a guy who stepped up come playoff time.

The player that I would most want from Toronto 's core is Nylander, but that said it's Marner that might be available.

Marner hasn't stepped up in the playoffs, but that's partly because the playoffs are harder, and Toronto is a top heavy team. The offense would be more spread out in Montreal, so he could either step up more, or absorb the other team's tough matchups and let the other lines step up more.

 

[OldCraig71]

Yet everyone wants Crosby and his Salary at 38+ lol
HeZ Gotz KARAKTER

Crosby would take this team to the next level even at his age. It won't happen because he will stay in Pittsburgh to help them keep that band-aid franchise alive. I thought he might end up in Colorado with his buddy Nate, but it didn't happen, so he retires a Penguin.

 

[ReHabs]

If Marner leaves Toronto, the last place he would ever sign is Montreal. He hasn't responded well to the scrutiny in Leaf land, and it would be just as tough to play here. If he leaves, I see him heading to an American team, not necessarily a contender. He seems to be all about the money over winning a cup and certainly hasn't been a guy who stepped up come playoff time.

We’re not that bad man.

We have a lot of little barracudas in the media who nip at things like how Laine was frustrated when his skate blade broke but that’s the extent of it…

Our media want to stimulate their audience with whatever they can but they’re not super demanding of the players at all. I think Gaines-Gauthier-Bergevin really neutered them in successive efforts.

 

[OldCraig71]

The player that I would most want from Toronto 's core is Nylander, but that said it's Marner that might be available.

Marner hasn't stepped up in the playoffs, but that's partly because the playoffs are harder, and Toronto is a top heavy team. The offense would be more spread out in Montreal, so he could either step up more, or absorb the other team's tough matchups and let the other lines step up more.

I love Nylander as well, he's the only one of the core who isn't afraid to play in the playoffs.

If Treliving gives Marner a big money deal, the Leafs can kiss goodbye whatever chance they had of winning in the playoffs. Matthews and Marner just want to be paid big money and cruise through the regular season and disappear in the playoffs.

Have you ever watched the Amazon special about the Leafs' road to the cup? Even though we beat them, it was pathetic to see the loser mentality from both of them.

 

[DrBizz4r3]

I would like a McTavish or Beniers for our 2C. I think both can flourish here as a good 2C. McTavish can be a bigger/gritty center behind suzuki/protect a bit Demidov and Beniers can take défensive responsability from suzuki. Both L center with poor season. Seattle have other options (Catton can graduate and wright has been good) and McTavish seems to underacheive LIKE A LOT of their players (maybe rookie coach problems)

 

[OldCraig71]

We’re not that bad man.

We have a lot of little barracudas in the media who nip at things like how Laine was frustrated when his skate blade broke but that’s the extent of it…

Our media want to stimulate their audience with whatever they can but they’re not super demanding of the players at all. I think Gaines-Gauthier-Bergevin really neutered them in successive efforts.

We want to win and my approach would have us surrounding our up and coming roster with players who get it done come playoff time and not Mitch Marner.

He doesn't respond well to criticism or pressure and even his former coach had to walk back comments about his play. We don't need a player like that.

 

[sampollock]

Don t see Marner leaving TOR because of the 8th year they are able to offer. Thomas won t be traded by STL, would be like asking MTL to trade Suzuki.

I would lol if he went to TB or FLA in the summer

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I wonder if we trade the Price contract to the Hawks like how Utah traded the Weber one.

To make it happen we need a black cat to walk on the ice.

 

[DAChampion]

We want to win and my approach would have us surrounding our up and coming roster with players who get it done come playoff time and not Mitch Marner.

He doesn't respond well to criticism or pressure and even his former coach had to walk back comments about his play. We don't need a player like that.

Marner would also be the most fashionably-conscious Hab since the colorful duo PK Subban of Marc Bergevin.

 

[le_sean]

Yeah. I don't think I would go more than 4 years for a ufa. Probably guys like Granlund and Duchene won't ask for more than 3 years. Maybe Granlund we would need to give him the 4th year if we want to win the auction.

As for Bennett, off course he will ask for 7 years but I don't give him that because we still will have to overpay him and after the 4th year, it will be problematic. So if Bennett is the no.1 target for Hugo, I would give him the 9M$ per but only for 4 years. If after 3 years, Hage or any other prospect is ready to take the 2C spot, you move Bennett to wing or you trade him at 50% retention for the last year of his contract.

Yeah I like Bennett but I don’t think he has the longevity needed to remain a high impact player for when the Habs are competing. But maybe moving him to the wing in the future is an option like you said. However, he’d be a great compliment for Laine and Demidov. He’ll do all of the dirty work.

 

[overlords]

Marner would also be the most fashionably-conscious Hab since the colorful duo PK Subban of Marc Bergevin.

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[Victoire HuGo]

Marner would also be the most fashionably-conscious Hab since the colorful duo PK Subban of Marc Bergevin.

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Can't wait for JiC and the likes to spend entire segments talking about this facet and humoring all the mononcles of QC

 

[Archijerej]

I saw a comment that Dach and Newhook are Hughes' two major trades.

That is not correct.

The other major trades include Petry-Matheson, Sean Monahan (multiple times), the Patrick Laine acquisition, the Toffoli/Chiarot/Lehkonen/Kulak sales, and moving up in the draft to acquire Michael Hage.

Hughes is an active man.

Major trades in terms of identifying and acquiring roster players.

Selling of assets for prospects/picks is also an important skill, but it's different from making so-called hockey trades.

Lots of mediocre GMs are perfectly capable of getting good value from selling off roster players.

 

[ReHabs]

I saw a comment that Dach and Newhook are Hughes' two major trades.

That is not correct.

The other major trades include Petry-Matheson, Sean Monahan (multiple times), the Patrick Laine acquisition, the Toffoli/Chiarot/Lehkonen/Kulak sales, and moving up in the draft to acquire Michael Hage.

Hughes is an active man.

Selling is much, much easier than buying.

I think the comment about Dach and Newhook’s acquisition is rather pointed to the anxiety some of us might have about Hughes’ ability to make big roster improvements.

I don’t think people understand that we’re still underdogs even if all of Hutson, Demidov, Reinbacher, and Slafkovsky hit their projected ceilings and Suzuki & friends remain on their current trajectory.

Hughes absolutely has to add another dimension to the team’s makeup for the long term. I backed the Laine acquisition for this purpose and hopefully it ends up working out but we need even more.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I saw a comment that Dach and Newhook are Hughes' two major trades.

That is not correct.

The other major trades include Petry-Matheson, Sean Monahan (multiple times), the Patrick Laine acquisition, the Toffoli/Chiarot/Lehkonen/Kulak sales, and moving up in the draft to acquire Michael Hage.

Hughes is an active man.

They are the two major additions, Matheson was rather a throw in who worked well. Toffoli is turning into Heineman (Stock up but rather bottom 6 material and Mesar who is a huge question mark right now), Chiarot turning into Smilanic (so nothing) and the 1st was used for Newhook, Lehkonen turned into Barron who turned into Carrier (nice bottom pair guy), Kulak returned a 2nd which turned into Hutson (good for them). He is active but efficiency remains to be proven.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

Man....I wish we could get Sean Monahan back...he would be perfect for us.

 

[Habs]

Gally and Anderson have KaraKter too. With his style of play, you thing Bennett will age well?
How much money/term you are willing to pay to get Bennett?

No I don't, we need young franchise players to grow with not aging vets

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

No I don't, we need young franchise players to grow with not aging vets

We need vets also or you end up like Buffalo. If you look at Buffalo they have a very young team with very little or no vets at all. We can't just keep stacking the team with youth and expect them to learn the ins and outs of being a pro hockey player on and off the ice.

 

[Habs]

Crosby would take this team to the next level even at his age. It won't happen because he will stay in Pittsburgh to help them keep that band-aid franchise alive. I thought he might end up in Colorado with his buddy Nate, but it didn't happen, so he retires a Penguin.

For a year, maybe 2, then he's 40 and there is no outrunning father time. Also I agree there is no way he lands here.

 

[Habs]

We need vets also or you end up like Buffalo. If you look at Buffalo they have a very young team with very little or no vets at all. We can't just keep stacking the team with youth and expect them to learn the ins and outs of being a pro hockey player on and off the ice.

The problem with Buffalo has been in net, forever. When is the last time they had a goalie? Miller? They have some really good players but can't keep the puck out of their net. If we had to run with Primeau all year we would be in the same position. Also I really thought Power was going to be better than he has been.

Poor trades , and yes.. no leadership hurts

 

[Treb]

I wonder if we trade the Price contract to the Hawks like how Utah traded the Weber one.

I don't think Chicago will need both to reach the floor, so they would probably make it more expensive.

 

[le_sean]

Man....I wish we could get Sean Monahan back...he would be perfect for us.

Good player but he’s back to his frail ways. It’s likely to get worse as he gets older.

 

[Whalers Fan]

I don't think Chicago will need both to reach the floor, so they would probably make it more expensive.

I was thinking the same thing after seeing them obtain Weber's contract. Is there another team that may struggle to reach the rising cap floor this summer?

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I think we're going to throw stupid money at him. Like 7x9M or something.

I could see the 7 years but more likely gets similar to Suzuki at 7.5 ish and a bunch of deferred money/bonuses to circumvent some of the tax bullshit.

He’s not as talented as Suzuki, but he brings things to the table that Suzuki doesn’t, and those are important, especially in the playoffs.

Plus it’s Montreal, they don’t usually get any top UFAs, so they’ll have to pay above what he likely deserves. Thats just a fact. Plus he will be a coveted player who will get big offers. There aren’t many players that can bring what Bennett offers to a team though, and he would fit our club like a glove.

Personally, I would do it in a second. If he starts to decline, he can still be a terrific third line center, and Hage takes over the second line duties, while still giving the Habs a much needed physical edge.

Christ we’re paying almost 22 million between the retained contracts of Allen, Petry, Dvorak, Gallagher and a handful of others who’ve been awful.

I’d rather take a swing on a proven winner that fills every hole and issue we’re lacking in our top 6, than pay for a collection of hot garbage to stand around the circle of friendship handing out high fives.

 

[Runner77]

It's going to be very interesting how Hugo will handle the 2C situation.

The options on the market seem to be rather limited, so I'm wondering if they opt for a placeholder middle 6 type until something better comes up. Kind of what Jets have in Namestnikov.

On the other hand, the management is on record saying that this upcoming offseason is going to be very important, so it's not unreasonable to expect that they're going to pull every lever to pry that top 6 center. I wonder if we might see a player/prospect moved that will shock us.

The only thing I’m hoping for is that Hughes deals from strength. Pitch a team that needs left handed D so the Habs don’t further weaken other areas. Overpaying is not an issue, Habs have more assets that can realistically play. They can’t afford to walk away from the offseason without a 2C solution.