Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[MXD]

That being said - if defence wants to try and argue "you're making this up to get money" - I think that would be allowed. Whether it would be a good strategy is a different idea (humbly, defence counsel on sexual assaults are often better off just trying to tease out inconsistencies and unreliability from the complainant, rather than a full on frontal assault of claiming they're lying).

First : Didn't she already got her money?

Second : You implied that it was a bad strategy and I guess you're just being a bit prudent, considering you're a practicing lawyer.

 

[H3ckt1k]

That's called good customer service.

The customers have had you long enough, please come home. Mom misses you

 

[Jets 31]

If it happened as a worst case of potential events then IMO their going to jail.


It depends on when that player walked in, assuming that it started out consensual, even with all 5 partaking, then the guys started degrading her, spitting on her and she rescinded consent and they kept going. If the player happened to walk in while things were going good, their testimony could set them free all the while they actually raped her

If this is what happened these 5 guys deserve worse than jail and losing their hockey careers .

 

[Devilmademedoit]

How did TSN figure it out the names when nobody on this board could?

Mind blowing journalism there.

they had no choice. Everyone had the names. TSN has lawyer with deep pockets. Not US

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I'm making no argument pro or con.

But the Oilers did have a choice to sign Kane to a contract or not. Heck they even doubled down and hired Corey Perry after being accused of what sounds like sexual harassment (not rape).

I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked to see Carter Hart back in the NHL at some point, no matter the outcome (save a lengthy prison sentence, naturally).

maybe the Oilers are being consistent with their corporate culture as the tone was set from the top, may be a poor example lol. Per Kane, I don’t think the accusation scared anyone away more than the documented other issues. I agree that if found not guilty, some will ply their trade again at high levels.

 

[Edgelord]

"HFBoards After Hours"?

sure, I'm down.

 

[ERYX]

in all seriousness, I and I bet many others would be cool with some sort of premium pkg, maybe access to a hidden subforum or something

Subforum where we're allowed speculation and some political discussion? Take my money LOL

 

[MMC]

 

[Number8]

Not 100 percent sure, but knowing Hockey Canada it probably does.

I don’t know much about the players or the girl. I guess we’ll see how it all shakes out. I doubt we’ve yet seen all the evidence from either side.

However, i will say that I’ve seen enough to come to the firm conclusion that Hockey Canada sucks and there are some evil dirtbags who were/are part of that organization.

 

[Edgelord]

If this is what happened these 5 guys deserve worse than jail and losing their hockey careers .

thats not the worst case lol
IMO worst case would be her saying she isn't ok with anyone other than player 1 and they hold her down etc
As I understand it the articles talk about how the guys degraded her etc then it says most of the evens up to a certain point are agreed upon. Just not sure up to what part.
However even if the whole thing was fully consensual and they degraded, spit etc, they are scum in my eyes.

 

[Iggys Dome]

Serious question - where doesn this 7 number come from? I read 5 guys are involved and charged. What is this 7?

I think two or three other CHL players (or something) were in the room during the time the acts were committed. Don't quote me on that though, I've been wondering the same thing.

 

[iCanada]

If Dube was really dealing with mental illness.. he had a few years to take a mental leave of absence ... but instead, he chose to do so only a few days before he knew he was going to get arrested? That just doesn't sit right with me.

I mean, by all means, he should do all he can to aid his mental health, and be granted access to all the help he requires.

My problem is making a statement to gather public sympathy.

Imagine how the victim and her family would feel reading fans around the league wishing Dube the best knowing full well that the source of the problem was his own transgressions. If I was her I'd lose my God damn mind reading that.

 

[Larry44]

Does her already getting money kind of make that a pointless argument from a defense?

I think the money she received so far was the Hockey Canada payout, the slush fund that got the board and executive fired. She could presumably sue the players individually after the trial, and I hope she does.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

So as a Flyers fan, tell me what to think about the type of person Hart is? Is see we are using proper names now so I’m dropping the H bomb. It’s a shame because Hart seemed like a non rapey dude

 

[Frank Drebin]

That's not poor mental health.

That's guilt accompanied by the consequences of your actions.

Like dealing with addictions?

 

[iCanada]

First : Didn't she already got her money?

Second : You implied that it was a bad strategy and I guess you're just being a bit prudent, considering you're a practicing lawyer.

She was paid to settle a civil case, and agreed to not discuss the case publicly. But my understanding would be that that non disclosure agreement would be considered non-binding now given that the crown is bringing forward charges.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Apparently a player walked in, saw what was happening, hung out for 10 minutes, and left. That's at least one witness, could very well be others. Doesn't have to be a participant that ruins it for them.

I think the 5-10 minute guy who came in after getting text they had pizza , had a slice of pizza then left, will be fine.

 

[Cody Webster]

Wow, can't believe it

 

[Larry44]

I think two or three other CHL players (or something) were in the room during the time the acts were committed. Don't quote me on that though, I've been wondering the same thing.

Yes, apparently there was a total of 8 guys in the room, and further charges are possible as they approach the trial. Lots to be determined. Will they plead out to avoid a trial?

 

[herzausstein]

At this point, one really has to ask the Calgary Flames why did they release a statement citing Dube will be gone because of mental health reasons. Did Dube lie to them and they just believed him and didn't have any idea what was about to happen, or did someone in their PR department seriously think this wouldn't come back to bite them in the ass?

I too would have mental health issues if told to surrender to authorities

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

sure, I'm down.

No mods, prison rules

 

[Frank Drebin]

If this is what happened these 5 guys deserve worse than jail and losing their hockey careers .

Not sure what kind of punishment you're advocating for but jail time and or loss of career is fine with me.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Evander Kane was accused of committing a sexual assault. It did not result in charges. Evander Kane continues to work in the NHL.

As he should.

 

[RegDunlop]

It’s wild to continue playing a player knowing what was going to happen.

That was my point in a few earlier posts.
The (alleged) incident was one thing, but if all true - HC NHL NHL member teams police - have just carried on as usual. Nothing to see here folks.

 

[I am toxic]

McLeod's lawyers released a statement saying he is being charged with "sexual assault".

No mention of "gang sexual assault" or "forcible confinement".

While his lawyers could be getting cute with language, I doubt it. Appears consistent with what Westhead learned from Formenton's legal team. [eta: And the language is more than similar to what Dube's lawyer stated.]

Accordingly, the beginnings of the Crown's strategy in this case is starting to come into focus.