Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Edgelord]

Color me skeptic but I cannot see anyone (if proven guilty) going to jail. Too high profile. No more careers? Probably. At least not in NHL.

If it happened as a worst case of potential events then IMO their going to jail.

Apparently a player walked in, saw what was happening, hung out for 10 minutes, and left. That's at least one witness, could very well be others. Doesn't have to be a participant that ruins it for them.

It depends on when that player walked in, assuming that it started out consensual, even with all 5 partaking, then the guys started degrading her, spitting on her and she rescinded consent and they kept going. If the player happened to walk in while things were going good, their testimony could set them free all the while they actually raped her

 

[Golden_Jet]

Why does a trial not start until 2026? That seems ridiculous to all the parties involved.

Covid backlog I’m assuming, as I know the backlog grew.

 

[joestevens29]

So sexual assault is a tricky area, with lots of restrictions on what you can ask a complainant. Primarily this covers the complainants prior sexual activity (so, to be crude, defence can't argue that "well she's a slut who sleeps with lots of men so she must have consented this time"). This is covered in s, 276 of the Criminal Code.

That being said - if defence wants to try and argue "you're making this up to get money" - I think that would be allowed. Whether it would be a good strategy is a different idea (humbly, defence counsel on sexual assaults are often better off just trying to tease out inconsistencies and unreliability from the complainant, rather than a full on frontal assault of claiming they're lying).

Does her already getting money kind of make that a pointless argument from a defense?

 

[RegDunlop]

Genuine question, if Philly knew about this inevitability when they were trying to trade Hart, were they required to disclose this info?

Ahhhhh
Awesome question!!

A wee bit more cloudy than a top prospect not wanting to play there me thinks

 

[Edgelord]

Thinking about offering a premium subscription level of $2/month but you're allowed to speculate three times per month.

make it 3 and add 1 free political post lol

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Its very likely that if (and only if) one or more are found guilty they do not all end up with the same sentences.

You guy do blanket statement like none of them will ever play in the league again is kinda crazy to me.

Someone enlighten me but aren't they all accussed separately?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Thinking about offering a premium subscription level of $2/month but you're allowed to speculate three times per month.

How about having infractions removed from your record for an undisclosed out of court settlement?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

make it 3 and add 1 free political post lol

$20/month and you can hand out one infraction.

 

[Yukon Joe]

I loathe Kane as much as the next person but are you advocating that people accused of things (not charged nor convicted) shouldn’t be able to earn a living?

I'm making no argument pro or con.

But the Oilers did have a choice to sign Kane to a contract or not. Heck they even doubled down and hired Corey Perry after being accused of what sounds like sexual harassment (not rape).

I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked to see Carter Hart back in the NHL at some point, no matter the outcome (save a lengthy prison sentence, naturally).

 

[H3ckt1k]

Thinking about offering a premium subscription level of $2/month but you're allowed to speculate three times per month.

Speculating about you being my father is separate to these, right?

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

Evander Kane was accused of committing a sexual assault. It did not result in charges. Evander Kane continues to work in the NHL.

Never discount how the ability to play sports really, really good will make people overlook all kinds of things.

You're not wrong. But some of these players were marginal / unremarkable / expendable.

The other point is the collusive nature of the charge, which does not seem to be in dispute here. It's still all ugly stuff when it's one person. But 8? That's a whole lot of question for 8 different people that isn't going to leave the news cycle as easy. The comparison here I'm thinking of more than Kane is Kyle Beach. Again, all terrible accusations but Beach's accusation was more collusive and I don't know how many teams are going to have the appetite for something like with so many players involved.

 

[wetcoast]

Yes - but my point was that was a civil trial, and thus it's not a conviction.

This is important because the standard of proof on criminal matters versus civil matters is very different.

Yes that's true but the judge did rule on the facts of the case and called it a rape.

That being said it seems that I got my answer and sadly I'm not surprised.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Speculating about you being my father is separate to these, right?

That's called good customer service.

 

[MoneyManny]

But the person in this case was not walking around at night alone in the worst neighborhood wearing jewelry, etc. It's literally not the same thing at all. Not really clear what point you're trying to make.

If you saw your young daughter dead drunk, alone, walking into a hotel room with 8 young athletes, what are your thoughts? If you're not concerned that she might be walking right into a lion's den, i dunno what to tell you.

There's just too many risk factors at play in this situation that you can't ignore. Exposing yourself to danger is a thing.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Serious question - where doesn this 7 number come from? I read 5 guys are involved and charged. What is this 7?

 

[Yukon Joe]

Does her already getting money kind of make that a pointless argument from a defense?

I mean - thats a tactical decision for defence counsel to make.

 

[Edgelord]

$20/month and you can hand out one infraction.

in all seriousness, I and I bet many others would be cool with some sort of premium pkg, maybe access to a hidden subforum or something

 

[GrumpyKoala]

How about having infractions removed from your record for an undisclosed out of court settlement?

I would like this.... but am out of points for the momment.....

 

[GOilers88]

So you cannot see how knowing that you are about to be charged with a crime would screw up your mental health?

You can be guilty of a crime and still feel like absolute shit and end up with mental health issues.

That's not poor mental health.

That's guilt accompanied by the consequences of your actions.

 

[Atoyot]

If it happened as a worst case of potential events then IMO their going to jail.


It depends on when that player walked in, assuming that it started out consensual, even with all 5 partaking, then the guys started degrading her, spitting on her and she rescinded consent and they kept going. If the player happened to walk in while things were going good, their testimony could set them free all the while they actually raped her

All he had to see was that she was too drunk to consent. But the larger point I was trying to make was that if he got a text to come over and have pizza, how many other people got the same invite? I also doubt he hung out for 10 minutes by himself just watching. There were likely others.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

in all seriousness, I and I bet many others would be cool with some sort of premium pkg, maybe access to a hidden subforum or something

"HFBoards After Hours"?

 

[Rob Brown]

That's not poor mental health.

That's guilt accompanied by the consequences of your actions.

...which can still cause mental health issues.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

he is building his case of diminished capacity

That was implied by the fact he plays for the Flames.

 

[Da McBomb]

Pretty sure he is saying that the optics are terrible and the broadcast crew would have had an idea that Dube could have been one of the players to have to turns themselves in unless they were living under rocks.
For me it is brutal that mental health was used for his leave when you guys just had a player go through real struggles and battle back which absolutely should be commended and brought up. Class by the flames sticking by Oliver.

If Dube was really dealing with mental illness.. he had a few years to take a mental leave of absence ... but instead, he chose to do so only a few days before he knew he was going to get arrested? That just doesn't sit right with me.

 

[RegDunlop]

Also, did TB know when they traded Foote to Nashville last season? Did NJ know when they scooped him up after the Preds didn't sign him?

My guess is these teams all did. Hockey is small and the NHL's report has been done awaiting release for a while.

It's bizarre that teams were in a position of essentially rolling these players out there every night and acting as if this day wouldn't come, or having a trade asset with so much risk attached to it. Not to mention marketing those players to their own fans still. Carter Hart's jersey was the best-selling one for an active player on the Flyers over the past few seasons.

Yes sir. My feelings exactly.
This F ing POS league and its teams disgust me more and more the older I get