Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[TheBeard]

Genuine question, if Philly knew about this inevitability when they were trying to trade Hart, were they required to disclose this info?

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Whether or not you sympathize, getting accused of rape is probably affecting Dube's mental health. There are more important things to get upset about than the Flames statement. Good lord some condemnation can be performative as hell.

Also affecting people's mental health: rape!

 

[SensFactor]

Judging by the mugshots, McLeod was player 1.

Im guessing "John Doe #1" is Carter Hart

 

[Devilmademedoit]

I hate to be cynical about something like this but how often do you really think the police solve crimes or perform due diligence in their investigations?

here is the thing, There is speculation on line the investigation was reopened when another police force started asking questions

 

[francis246]

All their NHL careers are over IMO...hope they go to jail if convicted....

I doubt they do jail time unfortunately. I think it’s gonna end up p settlement for 4 out of 5. I don’t think Formenton will settle. Sounds like he was the original guy.

 

[PuckNut]

Not sure what max sentence is for this but its way less than it would be for rape...I'd assume 18 months -3 years it the highest

IIRC, the maximum sentence for sexual assault in Canada is ten years. As a first time offender, it would usually be less, but the high profile nature of this case makes it a bit of a guess for how long. I wouldn't imagine it would be enough for him to get Federal time (two year sentence gets Federal).

 

[The Great Weal]

Exactly. What I'm curious about is what an NHL player has to do to get mental health leave? At my job, I need a physician or mental health professional to provide a note to be granted that type of leave. It doesn't detail why, just how long I am expected to be off before reassessing. Did Dube have a personal psychologist or doctor sign off on this for the team, or was it the team psychologist? I can't imagine it would be granted on the player's word alone.

Not to mention that they knew names were going to be released very soon, they could have easily delayed the reason for the absence if he was proven not to be involved. Other teams have done it for players not involved in this.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Damn, good thing we didn’t speculate!!

 

[Frank Drebin]

Im guessing "John Doe #1" is Carter Hart

I often get "who is better looking" between men wrong with my wife so you're probably right. Maybe we just have different tastes though.

 

[SensFactor]

I doubt they do jail time unfortunately. I think it’s gonna end up p settlement for 4 out of 5. I don’t think Formenton will settle. Sounds like he was the original guy.

Where does it say Formenton? He's the youngest one of the 5 I believe

 

[InfinityIggy]

Are they obliged to use whatever excuse he comes up with? Or could they have just done what the Flyers and Devils did?

Did the players on the Flyers and Devils request mental health leaves or did they request a leave of absence? Therein is the difference.

 

[iCanada]

Whether or not you sympathize, getting accused of rape is probably affecting Dube's mental health. There are more important things to get upset about than the Flames statement. Good lord some condemnation can be performative as hell.

Sure. But Dube and the flames playing the victim card negatively affects everyone else's mental health.


It's a scum bag move.

 

[K Fleur]

Any goalie that wears #79 is a f***ing creep.

 

[crowi]

No pity to these jock f***s

 

[Danarqhy]

So now that we know the 5 for sure, I've also read that "Player 1" is a 98 birthdate so it appears that Alex Formenton might not be him. He could be Player 2, the one that engaged in sex acts with the victim without even talking to her.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

Trial not expected until 2026. These guys are done for years.

 

[LOFIN]

Did the players on the Flyers and Devils request mental health leaves or did they request a leave of absence? Therein is the difference.

I don't know, what I do know is that the Flyers and Devils organizations simply refused to elaborate which sure as hell looks better today than what the Flames did.

 

[Devilmademedoit]

There was a Globe & Mail article discussing how the interview Danielle Rideout did with the victim had different questions and answers than what the police had probed.

Also, the victim went to police first, tried to rescind her claim, then rescinded her previous rescindment, so I think the police felt they were in a "he said, she said" type of scenario and didn't pursue charges. This doesn't mean the police didn't think something uncouth had occurred, it just means that there wasn't enough in the claim to warrant resources for a criminal investigation.

This was also at the beginning of the MeToo uptick, so I'm guessing police sensitivity and training was lagging a few years.

reportedly hockey canada was already talking with her and trying to convince her on certain topics to change parts of her story, They paid for it to go away and bought her silence---when did that start

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Trial not expected until 2026. These guys are done for years.

How's that gonna jive with the 30 month time limit for superior courts?

 

[Satan]

Shocking

 

[Rob Brown]

Any goalie that wears #79 is a f***ing creep.

Not that I am trying to defend him, but you should do even 5 seconds of research into why he wears (wore?) that number.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Soo much criminal law knowledge in one thread. Why would anyone ever pay for law school with all these professional opinions

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

How did TSN figure it out the names when nobody on this board could?

Mind blowing journalism there.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I don't know, what I do know is that the Flyers and Devils organizations simply refused to elaborate which sure as hell looks better today than what the Flames did.

Flames did what any team does when a player requests a mental health leave.

Direct your ire in the proper direction. The Flames angle is dumb.

 

[Devilmademedoit]

My guess is what happens with a lot of unresolved crime: not enough resources. When the story became a national headline, they actually committed more resources and got the investigation going.

Doesn't really sound all that comforting for your average Joe and Jane, but that's the sad reality of society.

it got reopened prior to the big media push--another police force reportedly asked questions about something--as for why? Different people are saying different things.