Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[The Great Weal]

If Dube told them it’s a mental health leave, the Flames are obliged to say that. Dube lying about it is on him, not the Flames.

If what you're saying is true, claiming that "he's under the care of health professionals" without knowing if he is, demonstrates gross incompetence or it's just flat-out lying.

 

[madmike77]

If the Flames would’ve just said ‘leaving the team for personal reasons’ ok fine.

But mental health? No, not this.

My guess is it will come out that Dube requested a mental health leave. And if that’s the case then the team has to take him at his word.

It’s not like the team is going to go out of its way to protect a 4th-liner who’s been the worst-producing forward on the roster all year.

 

[LOFIN]

If Dube told them it’s a mental health leave, the Flames are obliged to say that. Dube lying about it is on him, not the Flames.

Are they obliged to use whatever excuse he comes up with? Or could they have just done what the Flyers and Devils did?

 

[Chainshot]

just waiting for their mugshots

I was hoping for the perp walk myself.

 

[EpochLink]

Didn't Dube take his leave of absence before the globe and mail article? is it possible that Calgary didn't know at the time that was the reason he was leaving and he told them a lie about it being a mental health issue?

It would be damning if the Flames knew about this and spouted out the ‘mental health’ excuse as a reason.

Ownership, management have some explaining to do.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Didn't Dube take his leave of absence before the globe and mail article? is it possible that Calgary didn't know at the time that was the reason he was leaving and he told them a lie about it being a mental health issue?

The argument which requires the fewest assumptions is most often the correct one. I would imagine this is what happened. The flames would gain nothing and risk everything by “colluding” with Dube.

 

[robertmac43]

If Dube told them it’s a mental health leave, the Flames are obliged to say that. Dube lying about it is on him, not the Flames.

Man that is a tough position to put the team in. I guess it makes sense that teams are obligated to make mental health leaves known if the player asks for it.

 

[TD Charlie]

Mental health is a touchy subject these days. The Flames may have opted for a very hands off approach to it all, more of a "Sure, whatever you need to do, do it. Let us know if you need anything."

I assume the relationship between the player and the organization was perceived by the team as healthy and built on trust. They may not have had any reason to believe there was something more.

 

[Devilmademedoit]

If the Flames would’ve just said ‘leaving the team for personal reasons’ ok fine.

But mental health? No, not this.

i believe the excuses will get worse before they get better

 

[Danarqhy]

My guess is it will come out that Dube requested a mental health leave. And if that’s the case then the team has to take him at his word.

Or maybe someone in the team wanted to soften the blow for their player. That's problem with jumping the gun, now it looks like the Flames were covering for him.

 

[saintunspecified]

imo it would be totally fair game to ask players/coaches/front office about their prior knowledge about this. But, of course, that won't happen because the teams control which journalists have access.

 

[francis246]

The argument which requires the fewest assumptions is most often the correct one. I would imagine this is what happened. The flames would gain nothing and risk everything by “colluding” with Dube.

Exactly, I also think that it is plausible that Dube’s mental “crisis” most likely happened at the Flames facility, which is why they mentioned or knew he was with health care professionals.

I do however believe the flames were likely aware Dube would be implicated. I don’t think they didn’t know. So that’s why my most logical thinking is, he probably got the call at the facility. Started freaking out and that’s why we got the tweet we got verses the others.

 

[EpochLink]

The argument which requires the fewest assumptions is most often the correct one. I would imagine this is what happened. The flames would gain nothing and risk everything by “colluding” with Dube.

Yeah but at the end of the day, this really looks bad for the Flames from ownership, management, coaching, players, etc.

I am sure they are gearing up for a PR nightmare, someone from the team needs to release some sort of statement.

 

[CycloneSweep]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/world-junior-hockey-sexual-assault-london-1.7096096

So there's apparently a video now..


I'm not a lawyer, but is this case supposed to extrapolate non-consent due to intoxication despite "verbal consent" what the case is about?

Because this seems like its going to get really murky really quickly. And even if any random chance the players win, they might not be welcome back to their NHL teams, and certainly won't be embraced by the fans.

The video with her saying "it was consensual" was taken after everything. Which could easily be labeled as her doing it under duress or out of fear. Which makes sense cause she reported it to police pretty soon after.

 

[Chainshot]

I'm surprised Friedman/Dreger/Lebrun haven't told us about new expansion destinations yet today.

 

[Devilmademedoit]

What I am waiting for is the original police force to explain how it took a different police force to ask questions to get the case reopened. Different versions of events have come out but the original investigation was opened and closed too quickly and at some point in time that will need to be addressed

 

[madmike77]

Or maybe someone in the team wanted to soften the blow for their player. That's problem with jumping the gun, now it looks like the Flames were covering for him.

If Dube was a star then maybe. But the guy was barely clinging on to a roster spot. I can’t see the team going out of their way to protect him. There’s no reason to.

 

[super6646]

There were two posters on Calgarypuck who claimed they had forewarned knowledge about what was to happen with dube. One of them posted before carter hart’s leave of absence (post was deleted by the site mods, but it was there), the other after this all came out but he didn’t say anything in the moment.

“Simplest explanation,” sorry but it’s not easy to buy that one chief. Organizations f*** up, that’s the nicest one I can give rn.

 

[Sniperberg]

Time for these rape-enthusiasts to start learning Russian

 

[Edgelord]

I think there is a lot of public pressure to see this go to trial. But as you’ve eluded to, it’s not an Open and shut case and I haven’t read all the details but the crown will have to prove a heavy burden that everything was non consensual. It’s a he-said/she-said. Regardless the victim did not deserve to have what happened to her, happen to her. I really feel for the victim, she will have to relive this through the trial and it won’t be easy with the public eyes all over this.

100% thats why I feel its going to be pleaded out
unless we see a situation where 1 of the guys was there but not directly involved and sticks to their innocence and refuses a plea.

 

[guyzeur]

I'm not a lawyer, but is this case supposed to extrapolate non-consent due to intoxication despite "verbal consent" what the case is about?

Because this seems like its going to get really murky really quickly. And even if any random chance the players win, they might not be welcome back to their NHL teams, and certainly won't be embraced by the fans.

She will have her revenge.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Well when the news of this story originally broke there was apparently more players involved.
Take what you want from that information and as to why they weren’t facing charges here. But that may mean the time for making deals has passed.

There’s always time to plead guilty

 

[swiftwin]

Because this seems like its going to get really murky really quickly. And even if any random chance the players win, they might not be welcome back to their NHL teams, and certainly won't be embraced by the fans.

One of the players already hasn't been welcome back for a couple years.

 

[Edgelord]

Time for these rape-enthusiasts to start learning Russian

Why Russia?

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Sorry for being out of the loop but do some believe they will get jail time or is this more they agree to get help, be on probation and continue to have no further contact with said victim?