Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Zirakzigil]

Patience is wearing thin (well thinner than normal) You have been warned and warned and warned to not speculate.
Stop!​

 

[Tobias Kahun]

The site has been pretty stable lately.

The real test will come when that proposed three way trade shipping McD to the Leafs, Matthews to the Canucks and Pettersson to the Oilers finally happens.

You just want a couple days off with thoughts like that.

 

[TheDoldrums]

IIRC the victim originally accused 8 individuals of being involved, so I guess the police only had strong evidence on 5 of them? I know they don't bring charges unless they're reasonably sure of a conviction.

 

[aylib]

What even is the point of no speculation? This is about to be a worldwide major news story.

Nobody cares about message boards in 2024. Nobody is going to come after this dying place because posters are doing the same speculation being done on Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, etc.

This place takes itself way too seriously.

 

[hockey20000]

interesting be nice to finallly get a end to this

 

[Magic Mittens]

Damn, just read some of the threads on Reddit. People are already getting the pitch forks out. Sucks for the speculated 5 if they aren't even found guilty. I can only imagine all the hate the speculated and their families are going to get.

 

[GMofOilers]

What’s the point of even having this thread? We can’t post what’s true?

 

[SSMHoundsFan]

Whoever the players are, rest assured that in a court of public opinion, their NHL careers are over, guilty or not...

 

[Rich Nixon]

Briere had a pre-scheduled presser this morning. As much of an acknowledgment as we're going to get until the league makes a move I believe.

 

[Zirakzigil]

What’s the point of even having this thread? We can’t post what’s true?

You dont know whats true. Stop assuming you do.

 

[AlphaLackey]

They can rot in jail.

If guilty, yes.

 

[Edgelord]

What’s the point of even having this thread? We can’t post what’s true?

Well we can't speculate on who it is but we can talk about the fact the case is heating up, we can talk about lots, just not name names

 

[TheBluePenguin]

 

[Xirik]

ouyay inkthay iyay amyay eculatingspay utbay iyay amyay otnay

*cough*

Me thinks that the the info that people want is going to come out way slower than they want. Can this thread last days?

 

[dalewood12]

Whoever the players are, rest assured that in a court of public opinion, their NHL careers are over, guilty or not...

I disagree. Will they have a stigma attached to them even if they are ruled innocent? Probably. But I think the league(s) would still let them back in provided they are ruled innocent.

 

[Gordy Elbows]

Along with the due course of justice here (finally), I’m hoping that the glare of the investigation also shines on the London Police Service. At this time, the LPS appears to be negligent, incompetent and derelict in its duties. Shameful.

 

[hangman005]

Well we can't speculate on who it is but we can talk about the fact the case is heating up, we can talk about lots, just not name names

and that's yet, once names are official.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Whoever the players are, rest assured that in a court of public opinion, their NHL careers are over, guilty or not...

Dany Heatley killed a guy and had a great career so idk if that’s true

 

[Ted Hoffman]

You dont know whats true. Stop assuming you do.

Probably also means if (when) names come out, SEE, I KNEW WHO IT WAS, I COODATOLDYU is not going to go over well.

 

[Dhockey16]

You dont know whats true. Stop assuming you do.

The obvious solution is to lock the thread. Literally nothing of value can be said without speculating.

 

[Three On Zero]

What’s the point of even having this thread? We can’t post what’s true?

Just like Perry incident, very few people know the truth

 

[Little Psycho]

This place takes itself way too seriously.

Exactly. They’re athletes and it’s not just the sport they play, but their whole lives become public information. It’s like going to a celebrity gossip site and saying not to speculate rumors. When you put yourself in the limelight, you’re asking for attention. Unfortunately, sometimes it’s not attention you want but that’s the price it comes with turning pro.

 

[Saskatoon]

I've been out of the loop on this one for awhile. What's the details on this to date?

Last I had heard it was pretty generally accepted that a bunch of them had sex with this girl, but that they apparently had a video where she basically said she was going to have sex with them and consented?

Wasn't the contention essentially whether she was too inebriated to make that decision?

The criminal case doesn't prevent her from suing civilly.

No but then being criminally convicted most likely increases her civil casea great deal.....

They took turns having sex with her while she was very inebriated. The alleged 5.

Before somebody claims I'm trying to justify anything, I'm not...

... But if she didn't report this immediately and have blood drawn this sounds like a good defense attorney's wet dream. Not saying they'll win or lose. But these are very, very difficult to prove and get a conviction on.

One common error of the understanding the Canadian judicial system is that the victim doesn't actually choose whether or not charges are pressed criminally. The victim can choose whether or not they report to the police. The crown reviews the evidence and decides if they think they can get a conviction. Now in sexual assault if the victim isn't cooperating they likely wouldn't proceed but again not up to them at all. But also we have seen how long this has taken to play out - a bird in the hand is worth more than two in the bush so to speak. She settled long before this will play out criminally.

Another thing is you actually cannot give consent if you are inebriated - especially if the people who you gave 'consent' to are the ones giving you substances.

 

[Goal Caufield50]

IIRC the victim originally accused 8 individuals of being involved, so I guess the police only had strong evidence on 5 of them? I know they don't bring charges unless they're reasonably sure of a conviction.

5 members and three non members who will have their day in court

 

[Jacob]

Whoever the players are, rest assured that in a court of public opinion, their NHL careers are over, guilty or not...

Depends how good they are.

 

[Zirakzigil]

The obvious solution is to lock the thread. Literally nothing of value can be said without speculating.

Except the usual trouble makers will just keep speculating in other threads. Easier to play whack a mole in one location