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Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

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2CHAINZ said:
Well, they are being charged, so a warrant will be issued for their arrest, and they will be brought in that way instead.
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Would the result in spending time in jail for a little bit of time for not turning themselves in? What’s the repercussion for not turning yourself in?
 
NyQuil said:
Allegations aside, he was a very useful player for the Senators and his absence was felt.

He’s one of the fastest players in the league, is an excellent penalty killer and was surprisingly gritty and physical.



It was widely suspected given his London connections.
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Yeah, I also wouldn’t be surprised if it’s his phone that is being heavily used in the investigation. The league was very quick to move on from him. I also wonder if he is the so called ringleader and filmer, will the other players try to heap the blame on him to save their reputation and careers. Those players have to be nervous even if they get a not guilty verdict
 
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GeoRox89 said:
Well it’s already been covered that they would only have to pay them not let them play again. Regardless, sex (as in gender) and sexual orientation are protected classes when it comes to human rights and discrimination. Engaging in specific sexual acts (i.e. group sex) that is unrelated to orientation is not listed as a protected ground in the human rights act in Canada. It would be an interesting case and precedent to set but engaging in non criminal but potentially unsavoury activities isn’t a protected ground when it comes to discrimination

Prohibited grounds of discrimination

  • 3 (1) For all purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, genetic characteristics, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.

Canadian Human Rights Act

Federal laws of Canada
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Canadian law would not apply to employment with US teams, but it would not be prohibited discrimination in the US either.
 
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Apex Predator said:
Would the result in spending time in jail for a little bit of time for not turning themselves in? What’s the repercussion for not turning yourself in?
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Depends. They could hold you until trial, tack on more charges for failure to appear, etc. You're a fugitive at that point. It's a good way to make sure a judge and / or prosecutor has little to no mercy on you. Generally not an advisable strategy.
 
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To play devil’s advocate, what prevents somebody (of any gender) to lie about consent in order to get a settlement payout from a professional athlete?

Pardon my ignorance if there’s a logical answer to that question.

My concern is, if these kids are found innocent, their reputation is still tarnished forever and career might be over regardless.
 
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FoxyClean said:
To play devil’s advocate, what prevents somebody (of any gender) to lie about consent in order to get a settlement payout from a professional athlete?

Pardon my ignorance if there’s a logical answer to that question.

My concern is, if these kids are found innocent, their reputation is still tarnished forever and career might be over regardless.
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Three things here :

First, an eventual settlement has absolutely nothing to do with the criminal procedure.

Second, and specific to this case, the complainant has already received a settlement, and won't touch a penny for whatever evidence she already gave to the investigators and for whatever she'll do at the trial.

Third, if those players are declared not guilty, it doesn't mean they didn't commit the infractions they were charged for, or that they're innocent. It just means it couldn't be proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
 
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DEANYOUNGBLOOD17 said:
You are very gullible or a bad reader of the facts given .....if you believe the players were brandishing golf clubs and threatened the girl with said clubs.

The Globe and mail were just quoting the statement of fact the accuser lawyer wrote in the initial filing of a civil law suit against Hockey Canada. The laccusers lawyer that wrote that statement said there were golf clubs in the room , of course they were at a golf tournament,
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You need to read a little better yourself Youngblood. The G&M report specifically mentioned the fact that it is alleged that while the ganging was going on, it is alleged that players were joking how they should “use” the clubs as part of said ganging. I’m not sure how bright you are, but I doubt I have to tell you what that implies.

So, if that’s true (and you nor I know what is true), then the young lady would have zero confidence about what would or would not happen to her during or after.

Meanwhile there are 8 players in a small hotel room with a young lady asking her to say on video that they didn’t just gang rape her. A young lady who has a story that is at least believable enough for the police to arrest 5 of them. You think that’s not intimidating?

Shit, I guarantee if me and 7 of my drunk friends crowded into your little hotel room and asked you to borrow $20 bucks you’d get a little worried.
 
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MXD said:
Three things here :

First, an eventual settlement has absolutely nothing to do with the criminal procedure.

Second, and specific to this case, the complainant has already received a settlement, and won't touch a penny for whatever evidence she already gave to the investigators and for whatever she'll do at the trial.

Third, if those players are declared not guilty, it doesn't mean they didn't commit the infractions they were charged for, or that they're innocent. It just means it couldn't be proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
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Thank you for clarifying. One more question, in that case - what purpose does the settlement serve if the criminal case is proceeding?
 
FoxyClean said:
To play devil’s advocate, what prevents somebody (of any gender) to lie about consent in order to get a settlement payout from a professional athlete?

Pardon my ignorance if there’s a logical answer to that question.

My concern is, if these kids are found innocent, their reputation is still tarnished forever and career might be over regardless.
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I think there would be teams desperate for talent, and probably be obtained cheaply (Most likely for free).

If not, there is always the KHL route.
 
Yup, I'm thinking if none of the guys take a plea, this case loses at trial. It's a criminal case so a high standard of evidence is needed.
Then she moves to a civil trial were they can have a very low bar for evidence and they will settle or she wins the case.
 
Apex Predator said:
What happens if the other 4 don’t turn themselves in?
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Warrants would be issued for their arrests. Canada and USA have a tight extradition treaty, so it would go through that process and eventually those not voluntarily appearing at LPS would be “escorted” back on the taxpayer’s dime, further endearing them in the court of public opinion.

They’d be absolute idiots to ignore what was an extension of generosity to these 5 to arrange legal representation ahead of time on such serious matters, to show up in their own terms (within reason).
 
AnInjuredJasonZucker said:
Now consider it from the perspective of a rape victim. That's the point.
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Yeah, that's why I said I still consider it rape, and consider that there was a lack of consent. Alcohol and physical intimidation were factors, but even she knew there was zero chance they'd be beating her to death with golf clubs, c'mon man....
 
Apex Predator said:
What happens if the other 4 don’t turn themselves in?
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Not a lawyer, but I don’t think that’s really an option. Well, it is, but it’s not a smart one. Canadian authorities will just apply to have them extradited, US officials have no grounds to deny the request, and they’ll be arrested all the same. It would be better for everyone involved if they just cooperate.
 
Unless this is all a dog and pony show to appease people that they tried their best to seek justice. I would expect the opposite, after this long they have probably havee strong evidence to proceed. I would also expect Hockey Canada's dirty laundry hasn't yet been fully exposed in all of this.
 
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