OT: Fitness and Nutrition XII

[DramaticGloveSave]

Got COVID :-(

I’ve had it all week. My first COVID experience. Feeling pretty much better now but still contagious apparently. So boring. Had basically 1 absolutely awful day and then otherwise it’s just been resting. The worst part of I obviously haven’t been able to go to the gym plus I’ve been sweating and unable to eat much and I must have lost 15 pounds. Feel so skinny right now I hate it.

 

[Mrb1p]

Interesting argument.

Not that long ago, few decades maybe, Canadians didn’t or rarely had access to tropical fruits. Bananas, mangos, pineapples, etc just don’t grow here. We don’t really have sweet fruits, sweetest Canadian fruit that comes to mind is apples, but even then the ones we have now have been cross-bred to be sweeter and crisper than what used to grow. And they only were available seasonally.

I don’t think such sweet fruits should be consumed here, especially not year round. Our fructose and insulin sensitivity just isn’t made for that.

Now, I’ll 100% agree that it’s not the main issue in most people’s way of eating, but to call it an unhealthy behaviour is pushing it a lot.

Thats an interesting theory but it's just pretty wrong. What you define as "sweet fruits" aren't actually "sweeter" than other fruits.

Blueberries, endemic to NA, have a higher GI than Bananas (51/53)
Cranberries have a GI of 45

Most fruits have a GI of around 45-50, with a few fruits (Pineapples and Watermelons) going up to like 70, but then you have to consider water content and it gets really complicated.

Also apples aren't endemic to northern america (well some sub-species that youve probably never ate are, but the common apples are not.) Fruit trees are in general, endemic to warmer climate.

Then you have the assumption that we have had genetic alterations done over 300-400 years and... yeah thats unlikely. Thats approximately 0.0003% of the timeline scientists have established for genetic modifications to occur in humans.

 

[Lshap]

Got COVID :-(

I’ve had it all week. My first COVID experience. Feeling pretty much better now but still contagious apparently. So boring. Had basically 1 absolutely awful day and then otherwise it’s just been resting. The worst part of I obviously haven’t been able to go to the gym plus I’ve been sweating and unable to eat much and I must have lost 15 pounds. Feel so skinny right now I hate it.

Hope both you guys recover fully and fast.

I'm curious how different your Covid symptoms are from regular flu symptoms, at this point in its evolution. Do you feel different than when you had the old-fashioned flu?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Hope both you guys recover fully and fast.

I'm curious how different your Covid symptoms are from regular flu symptoms, at this point in its evolution. Do you feel different than when you had the old-fashioned flu?

The one awful day was beyond any flu I ever had. Otherwise, it was about the same. It’s the first time I’ve been sick in a long time though, not since we’ll before the pandemic. Forgot how much being sick sucks. Also losing weight sucks. I don’t have a scale, but I’m fairly sure I’m in the 170s which is disheartening even if it’s mostly water weight I lose.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

The one awful day was beyond any flu I ever had. Otherwise, it was about the same. It’s the first time I’ve been sick in a long time though, not since we’ll before the pandemic. Forgot how much being sick sucks. Also losing weight sucks. I don’t have a scale, but I’m fairly sure I’m in the 170s which is disheartening even if it’s mostly water weight I lose.

You’re disheartened by being in the 170’s and I’m trying to get there Lolol.

When I had Covid I had a bad chills for about a day, but I felt worse for sure. Day two I still had crazy chills, day 3 was normal. What was strange is that I never had a temperature.

 

[Lshap]

The one awful day was beyond any flu I ever had. Otherwise, it was about the same. It’s the first time I’ve been sick in a long time though, not since we’ll before the pandemic. Forgot how much being sick sucks. Also losing weight sucks. I don’t have a scale, but I’m fairly sure I’m in the 170s which is disheartening even if it’s mostly water weight I lose.

You’re disheartened by being in the 170’s and I’m trying to get there Lolol.

When I had Covid I had a bad chills for about a day, but I felt worse for sure. Day two I still had crazy chills, day 3 was normal. What was strange is that I never had a temperature.

Glad to hear the worst was manageable and that you're okay.

Interesting how differently it affects people. Let's hope it mutates itself into nothing worse than a mild flu by the Fall.

 

[MasterD]

Thats an interesting theory but it's just pretty wrong. What you define as "sweet fruits" aren't actually "sweeter" than other fruits.

Blueberries, endemic to NA, have a higher GI than Bananas (51/53)
Cranberries have a GI of 45

Most fruits have a GI of around 45-50, with a few fruits (Pineapples and Watermelons) going up to like 70, but then you have to consider water content and it gets really complicated.

Also apples aren't endemic to northern america (well some sub-species that youve probably never ate are, but the common apples are not.) Fruit trees are in general, endemic to warmer climate.

Then you have the assumption that we have had genetic alterations done over 300-400 years and... yeah thats unlikely. Thats approximately 0.0003% of the timeline scientists have established for genetic modifications to occur in humans.

It IS a complicated subject that I overly simplified for discussions sake…

That said, how many weeks a year did they have blueberries readily available to them in Quebec a hundred years ago? How much work did they have to put in to collect 1 cups worth?

And I didn’t say we had genetic modifications done!? I’m saying that Canadians that came from French or English or Irish ancestors most likely don’t have the same tolerance to those sweet fruits as people from Maya or Inca ancestry that live near the equator and have mangos/bananas/pineapples available pretty much year round.

 

[DAChampion]

Hope both you guys recover fully and fast.

I'm curious how different your Covid symptoms are from regular flu symptoms, at this point in its evolution. Do you feel different than when you had the old-fashioned flu?

Every illness is different.

For what it's worth, I got two Pfizer vaccines, one moderna booster, and no COVID before that I know of.

Wednesday afternoon I started feeling week. Thursday was awful, I needed to go to pee a lot, was weak, had a cough. I felt chills but my temperature never went up. I still have a cough but now it's lessened. The main symptom now is that I'm blowing my nose non stop. How is it possible to need to blow my nose this much? Swallowing saliva is painful.
Energy levels aren't bad,but not great either. My appetite is a bit lower but I still taste food.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Every illness is different.

For what it's worth, I got two Pfizer vaccines, one moderna booster, and no COVID before that I know of.

Wednesday afternoon I started feeling week. Thursday was awful, I needed to go to pee a lot, was weak, had a cough. I felt chills but my temperature never went up. I still have a cough but now it's lessened. The main symptom now is that I'm blowing my nose non stop. How is it possible to need to blow my nose this much? Swallowing saliva is painful.
Energy levels aren't bad,but not great either. My appetite is a bit lower but I still taste food.

Yeah, everyone’s experience will vary imo. I had 2 Pfizer’s, no booster and chills for two days without a temperature. The chills were quite bad, but I don’t think I had any other symptoms at all, no sore throat, no clogged nose, just some nasty chills for 2 days. Really bad the first day, I took 4 baths Lolol.

 

[Mrb1p]

Still going strong, three boosters and two years (More ? How long has COVID been around ?) without catching it.

As the zoomers would say, I am quite definitely built different.

(Kinda insane I did not catch it because my lifestyle is very much prone to illness ? I go to uni every day, ride like 15 stops on the metro, work in restaurants on my off days, train BJJ with people spitting in my mouth and sweating in every single one of my orifices, I went on tinder dates every other day from September through January and I spent a good part of my year in the hospital watching over my grandma... In conclusion, COVID is a hoax, they were right all along (lol im kidding relax))

 

[Kriss E]

Interesting argument.

Not that long ago, few decades maybe, Canadians didn’t or rarely had access to tropical fruits. Bananas, mangos, pineapples, etc just don’t grow here. We don’t really have sweet fruits, sweetest Canadian fruit that comes to mind is apples, but even then the ones we have now have been cross-bred to be sweeter and crisper than what used to grow. And they only were available seasonally.

I don’t think such sweet fruits should be consumed here, especially not year round. Our fructose and insulin sensitivity just isn’t made for that.

Now, I’ll 100% agree that it’s not the main issue in most people’s way of eating, but to call it an unhealthy behaviour is pushing it a lot.

Not having access is not the same as purposely restricting oneself to lose weight. Two entirely different things.

 

[snakeye]

Since years my diet is essentially composed of meat, nuts, black chocolate and fatty dairy products, and very often work strenuous jobs while fasting the entire day. Most "knowledge" people possess about our diet is bs and spread by the food industry. You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard "but you need [insert fuits, veggies, fiber, carbs, vitamins, x amount of meals a day etc.] ". If everything people told me were true I'd be an out of shape diabetic person with scurvy, a fatty liver and whatnot, instead of the healthiest shape I've ever been in my entire life.

 

[DAChampion]

Interesting argument.

Not that long ago, few decades maybe, Canadians didn’t or rarely had access to tropical fruits. Bananas, mangos, pineapples, etc just don’t grow here. We don’t really have sweet fruits, sweetest Canadian fruit that comes to mind is apples, but even then the ones we have now have been cross-bred to be sweeter and crisper than what used to grow. And they only were available seasonally.

I don’t think such sweet fruits should be consumed here, especially not year round. Our fructose and insulin sensitivity just isn’t made for that.

Now, I’ll 100% agree that it’s not the main issue in most people’s way of eating, but to call it an unhealthy behaviour is pushing it a lot.

Right, but think of all of the foods your ancestors didn't have access to.

 

[Doublechin]

Still going strong, three boosters and two years (More ? How long has COVID been around ?) without catching it.

As the zoomers would say, I am quite definitely built different.

(Kinda insane I did not catch it because my lifestyle is very much prone to illness ? I go to uni every day, ride like 15 stops on the metro, work in restaurants on my off days, train BJJ with people spitting in my mouth and sweating in every single one of my orifices, I went on tinder dates every other day from September through January and I spent a good part of my year in the hospital watching over my grandma... In conclusion, COVID is a hoax, they were right all along (lol im kidding relax))

Some just don't seem to catch it. We all caught it last December, 2 adults and a boy but my daughter had no symptoms and tested constantly negative while the house was infected and transmission happening in the household.

A friend caught it twice with his kids yet his wife always tested negative

 

[Andrei79]

Interesting argument.

Not that long ago, few decades maybe, Canadians didn’t or rarely had access to tropical fruits. Bananas, mangos, pineapples, etc just don’t grow here. We don’t really have sweet fruits, sweetest Canadian fruit that comes to mind is apples, but even then the ones we have now have been cross-bred to be sweeter and crisper than what used to grow. And they only were available seasonally.

I don’t think such sweet fruits should be consumed here, especially not year round. Our fructose and insulin sensitivity just isn’t made for that.

Any sort of evidence to support this ?

 

[MasterD]

Right, but think of all of the foods your ancestors didn't have access to.

My point exactly. We live in a (food and otherwise) completely unnatural to the human body. To say that restricting certains fruits, especially at certain periods of the year, is a behavioral issue is completely dismissing how the human body developped over thousands of years. It has benefits, but creates problems, too.

Any sort of evidence to support this ?

I've seen more specific stuff before but can't find though a quick search, nevertheless here's some stuff that talk about insulin sensitivity and regional differences/ancestry

Ethnic Differences in the Relationship Between Insulin Sensitivity and Insulin Response: A systematic review and meta-analysis

Human blood glucose levels have likely evolved toward their current point of stability over hundreds of thousands of years. The robust population stability of this trait is called canalization. It has been represented by a hyperbolic function of two variables: ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Seasonal variations of insulin sensitivity from a euglycemic insulin clamp in elderly men

Seasonal variations in hemoglobin-A1c have been reported in diabetic patients, but the underlying mechanisms have not been elucidated.To study if insulin sensitivity, insulin secretion, and fasting plasma glucose showed seasonal variations in a Swedish ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Frontiers | Regional Variations of Insulin Secretion and Insulin Sensitivity in Japanese Participants With Normal Glucose Tolerance

Purpose: Regional differences in dietary patterns in Asian countries might affect the balance of insulin response and sensitivity. However, this notion is ye...

www.frontiersin.org

I'm not getting into a full blown debate over this though. My point was that deciding to cut certains fruits isn't necessarly a unhealthy behavior.

 

[waffledave]

I am one of the leading defensive rushers in my flag football league. I feel like I'm about to have a heart attack every play but I am still having a ball. Last played on Sunday and I am still a bit sore today. Full body soreness - even my fingers hurt.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I think once you got into cutting certain fruits, you're entering the unhealthy behavioral side. When you're passing up watermelon cubes because of sugar content...it's too extreme. Glad to see you're back eating whatever fruits.

100%. Watermelon in particular is a weightloss cheat code. It's like 300 calories per kilogram lol.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

100%. Watermelon in particular is a weightloss cheat code. It's like 300 calories per kilogram lol.

Lolol, I don’t like it, unfortunately.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Lolol, I don’t like it, unfortunately.

You gotta eat what you like, that's for sure.

Just to put that into perspective for others though, I had a little tiny chocolate (kinder maxi, not sure if they're sold in Canada) and it has 120 calories. For a treat, I can eat a pound of watermelon, or a kinder maxi that weighs 21g.

 

[DAChampion]

Lolol, I don’t like it, unfortunately.

Watermelon is like avocado, it has a sweet spot of optimal freshness, but us usually sold either unripe or too ripe.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Training is still ongoing and getting better/fitter everyday. Think I’m going to sign up for the 10km army run in September. Give me something to shoot for.

I did a slow and steady 12km run in the morning yesterday. Did chest/tricep workout in the afternoon, with a warmup/cooldown before and after. Now I’m taking stretching seriously my body recovers so much quicker.

Even on rest days I try to do something light, ie a walk or a sport etc. I’ve gotten into the 170’s for the first time in awhile. If I can get to 170 I’d be pretty content there. I might even goto 165. Was a bit of a plateau ~180, but think it’s behind me now.

 

[Kents polished head]

So... I pushed the whole home gym game to the next level

 

[Mrb1p]

So... I pushed the whole home gym game to the next level
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Thats a sick gym!

 

[Kents polished head]

Thats a sick gym!

Thanks! Luckily, nothing can fit anymore, because I would be tempted to add a Hack Squat at some point in time.
I just have to buy some barbell holder to hold my bars and I'm pretty much set.