OT: Fitness and Nutrition XII

[angusyoung]

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[BehindTheTimes]

I’m a pro meat kind of guy. I love barbecuing all summer, hell I barbecue in the winter. I don’t think I could ever go vegan, but I have been toying with the idea of scaling back on my meat content. It’s tough, it’s how I’ve eaten since a child.

I don’t find I ever feel full when eating vegetarian. I think the best I can do is reduce my meat portions while increasing my veggie portions and slowly reduce further over time.

I’m a big sushi fan and started making it at home. It’s costly, but delicious and sort of entertaining.

Below was our first attempt at home made sushi. Was very good.

 

[angusyoung]

I’m a pro meat kind of guy. I love barbecuing all summer, hell I barbecue in the winter. I don’t think I could ever go vegan, but I have been toying with the idea of scaling back on my meat content. It’s tough, it’s how I’ve eaten since a child.

I don’t find I ever feel full when eating vegetarian. I think the best I can do is reduce my meat portions while increasing my veggie portions and slowly reduce further over time.

I’m a big sushi fan and started making it at home. It’s costly, but delicious and sort of entertaining.

Below was our first attempt at home made sushi. Was very good.

Ever tried making a big batch of chili and limiting the amount of ground meat and utilizing large amounts of a variety of beans,corn etc?

The sushi looks not too bad for a rookie. I learnt under the tutelage of master that was not all that kind and forgiving continuously chastising me. As is the case when the Japanese are in private and not public,different facades,yet we managed to remain a couple somehowCost is dependent on materials,lots of options.

 

[ahmedou]

 

[sandviper]

So, some progress since mid-January. I started my journey mid-December at about 207lbs, Today, I’m at 183.

I did briefly do keto for about 10-weeks but stopped when I went on my cruise during March break. Gained back 10lbs but lost it already.

In these past 3.5 months, I’ve really cleaned up my nutrition. Eating so much more salad and veggies than before, and a lot more fish. I’m also intermittent fasting, 18/6 schedule. Been working out with weights 4-5 days a week as well as HIIT with my bike 2-3 days a week.

With the weight loss, I’ve gone down two pant sizes as well as gaining about an inch of muscle on my upper arms, chest and quads. Still very far from my one pull-up, but I’m getting there.

Got an end of year goal of 170lbs. Hopefully I can do 4-5 pull-ups by then lol!

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Ever tried making a big batch of chili and limiting the amount of ground meat and utilizing large amounts of a variety of beans,corn etc?

The sushi looks not too bad for a rookie. I learnt under the tutelage of master that was not all that kind and forgiving continuously chastising me. As is the case when the Japanese are in private and not public,different facades,yet we managed to remain a couple somehowCost is dependent on materials,lots of options.

I haven’t tried that with chili. I am interested though. I love bean soup it shouldn’t be too disappointing for me lol. I kid, but I do love beans.

Yeah that was the first time we’ve ever done sushi at home. I thought we did pretty good tbh. I enjoyed it over some of the ones you get packaged at the grocery store, but not on the same level as some of the top sushi restaurants. It was very good though.

Just starting to get back into outdoor jogging. It’s been awhile. I’m trying zone 2 training to build up a base. I quite enjoy it, allows for quick healing, rest and recovery. This way I can train more often and not risk injury. The problem is in the beginning it involves a substantial amount of walking in order to keep my heart rate in that zone. I don’t mind though, slow and steady wins the race. I am curious to see how long before I can jog at a good distance with my heart rate not exceeding 135bpm

 

[BehindTheTimes]

So, some progress since mid-January. I started my journey mid-December at about 207lbs, Today, I’m at 183.

I did briefly do keto for about 10-weeks but stopped when I went on my cruise during March break. Gained back 10lbs but lost it already.

In these past 3.5 months, I’ve really cleaned up my nutrition. Eating so much more salad and veggies than before, and a lot more fish. I’m also intermittent fasting, 18/6 schedule. Been working out with weights 4-5 days a week as well as HIIT with my bike 2-3 days a week.

With the weight loss, I’ve gone down two pant sizes as well as gaining about an inch of muscle on my upper arms, chest and quads. Still very far from my one pull-up, but I’m getting there.

Got an end of year goal of 170lbs. Hopefully I can do 4-5 pull-ups by then lol!

I was a big keto fan at first, but I don’t think it’s great anymore. For me Intermittent fasting is the shit. I think I’m going to embark on a similar challenge. Sitting at 193lb right now. Goal is to get to 170. I usually do the full 24 hours, eat everyday sometime after 5 pm. I need to embrace the salads/veggies as well. It’s time, it’s also time to get back to strength training. I hurt myself awhile back, had pain shooting up my neck and into my ear. I think I over did it with the 335lb squats. Going to start out slow and stick with my full body routine 3 days a week to not interfere with my jogging routine. I feel lifted, motivated and ready to get back into the best shape of my life.

 

[sandviper]

I was a big keto fan at first, but I don’t think it’s great anymore. For me Intermittent fasting is the shit. I think I’m going to embark on a similar challenge. Sitting at 193lb right now. Goal is to get to 170. I usually do the full 24 hours, eat everyday sometime after 5 pm. I need to embrace the salads/veggies as well. It’s time, it’s also time to get back to strength training. I hurt myself awhile back, had pain shooting up my neck and into my ear. I think I over did it with the 335lb squats. Going to start out slow and stick with my full body routine 3 days a week to not interfere with my jogging routine. I feel lifted, motivated and ready to get back into the best shape of my life.

Good luck bro! I’m with you as well… intermittent fasting I think is what helped me most. While I don’t do keto anymore, I still manage my carb intake and haven’t had a potato chip since December. The increase in salad and whole foods have been such a change for me.

 

[Kriss E]

Ever tried making a big batch of chili and limiting the amount of ground meat and utilizing large amounts of a variety of beans,corn etc?

The sushi looks not too bad for a rookie. I learnt under the tutelage of master that was not all that kind and forgiving continuously chastising me. As is the case when the Japanese are in private and not public,different facades,yet we managed to remain a couple somehowCost is dependent on materials,lots of options.

You won't get the same satiety level. It's no longer a chili if most of what you eat are beans anyways, it's just a bean plate, which is fine.
We have a few dishes like this in our lebanese cuisine. Red or white kidney beans in tomato sauce with a bit of beef.
Also done with spinach.

 

[Kriss E]

I was a big keto fan at first, but I don’t think it’s great anymore. For me Intermittent fasting is the shit. I think I’m going to embark on a similar challenge. Sitting at 193lb right now. Goal is to get to 170. I usually do the full 24 hours, eat everyday sometime after 5 pm. I need to embrace the salads/veggies as well. It’s time, it’s also time to get back to strength training. I hurt myself awhile back, had pain shooting up my neck and into my ear. I think I over did it with the 335lb squats. Going to start out slow and stick with my full body routine 3 days a week to not interfere with my jogging routine. I feel lifted, motivated and ready to get back into the best shape of my life.

As we age, moving weight becomes more important.
I was close to getting back into it..numbers were getting close to previous PRs....strength was getting back up, shape coming back, weight dropping, off to Cuba with the gf and of course, the gym there sucked, food was horrible, and then we get sick the last day, positive for covid first day back....so still in quarantine, eating like crap, no workout in like two weeks....

I'm close to sorting some things out and after that, I'll finally be able to get back to my serious ways. Few more weeks.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I heard a quote a while back, can't remember wherefrom, that has become quite significant to me. It was ''anything worth doing is worth doing poorly.'' I personally feel the intense roller coaster ebb and flow of motivation and apathy, and when it's good, it's *good*, but when the motivation goes, everything stops. Or at least it has in the past. I've felt like if I wasn't doing the best that I could do, it wasn't worth it, so I skip one day, then another, and so on.

I personally get carried away in the programming, strategy, etc. and what gets lost is that before you can do anything, you must first resolve to do something. This resolution has to happen on a daily basis. So long as you are doing something, I think you'll find that you'll make progress, even if only a little. And that progress helps you find the motivation again, after which you can go crazy.

I don't actually think that much separates the successful from the unsuccessful in terms of what they do when they're motivated, when they're feeling good, when that urge returns. I think it's mostly what they do when it leaves. They just keep going, and they do *something*.

Last year I learned Finnish. I did my YKI test 1 year after I arrived in Finland, and was rated at a B2 level in speaking. How I got there wasn't by being motivated all the time. The motivation left after 3 months lol. I just kept going. Whether that was reading one single page, or listening to the news in the car, or talking to someone at the park. Now I'm taking that approach with fitness. I don't have a program. What I have is an agreement with myself: no matter what, I lift 3 times per week. Some weeks are awesome, and I am a beast in the gym. Some weeks are a struggle, and it's more that I kept a promise to myself, and gave whatever I had on that day. Going 4 months now, and I feel great, not going to stop any time soon.

 

[Kriss E]

I left the 25th of March for vacation where I was pretty tuned out of news/social, and was very busy the 24th with work and preparing.
I just read Louie Simmons passed the 24th. RIP to a legend.

 

[Kriss E]

I heard a quote a while back, can't remember wherefrom, that has become quite significant to me. It was ''anything worth doing is worth doing poorly.'' I personally feel the intense roller coaster ebb and flow of motivation and apathy, and when it's good, it's *good*, but when the motivation goes, everything stops. Or at least it has in the past. I've felt like if I wasn't doing the best that I could do, it wasn't worth it, so I skip one day, then another, and so on.

I personally get carried away in the programming, strategy, etc. and what gets lost is that before you can do anything, you must first resolve to do something. This resolution has to happen on a daily basis. So long as you are doing something, I think you'll find that you'll make progress, even if only a little. And that progress helps you find the motivation again, after which you can go crazy.

I don't actually think that much separates the successful from the unsuccessful in terms of what they do when they're motivated, when they're feeling good, when that urge returns. I think it's mostly what they do when it leaves. They just keep going, and they do *something*.

Last year I learned Finnish. I did my YKI test 1 year after I arrived in Finland, and was rated at a B2 level in speaking. How I got there wasn't by being motivated all the time. The motivation left after 3 months lol. I just kept going. Whether that was reading one single page, or listening to the news in the car, or talking to someone at the park. Now I'm taking that approach with fitness. I don't have a program. What I have is an agreement with myself: no matter what, I lift 3 times per week. Some weeks are awesome, and I am a beast in the gym. Some weeks are a struggle, and it's more that I kept a promise to myself, and gave whatever I had on that day. Going 4 months now, and I feel great, not going to stop any time soon.

Consistency is key. Mistakes will be made, bumps in the roads are expected, this only determines the length it will take you to achieve your goals, but without persistence/consistence you'll never get there.
As you said ''they just keep going''.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Good luck bro! I’m with you as well… intermittent fasting I think is what helped me most. While I don’t do keto anymore, I still manage my carb intake and haven’t had a potato chip since December. The increase in salad and whole foods have been such a change for me.

Agreed, Thank you and Goodluck to you as well. I don’t think eating the amount of fat you need to for keto to be safe and healthy makes sense. Any diet that eliminates certain food groups is just a gimmick to me now. I lost weight doing, but workouts suffered etc. I’m a fan of carb cycling and for me I have been staying away from chips and beer. The progress on this zone 2 training is slow, but steady. I’m aiming for 7 hours a week of zone 2. I know it’s not for everyone, but with some of my most recent health issues I feel it’s best for me.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Agreed, Thank you and Goodluck to you as well. I don’t think eating the amount of fat you need to for keto to be safe and healthy makes sense. Any diet that eliminates certain food groups is just a gimmick to me now. I lost weight doing, but workouts suffered etc. I’m a fan of carb cycling and for me I have been staying away from chips and beer. The progress on this zone 2 training is slow, but steady. I’m aiming for 7 hours a week of zone 2. I know it’s not for everyone, but with some of my most recent health issues I feel it’s best for me.

Sounds like you're making a lot of progress. What is zone 2 training?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Sounds like you're making a lot of progress. What is zone 2 training?

Heart rate training. Never let my heart rate get above of 138bpm. 7 hours a week, feels really silly jogging this slow, sometimes it requires breaking into a brisk walk. The beauty of it is that there is very little risk of injury, recover within 8 hours, it seems sustainable indefinitely and I don’t feel beat up all day long. My pace has gained 13 secs (faster) a km while my heart rate has dropped 4bpm. That pace is extremely slow right now, but I’m not worried about pace at all right now. Just trying to build a foundation. Feels great tbh.

The progress is likely way too slow for the majority of the population, but I’ve had consistent pain/pressure in my chest since August. All tests have come back clear even though I feel off still I’ve decided to get on with life, trust my results and stop expecting the worst. I don’t feel quite comfortable doing any high intensity work yet so I’ve adopted this instead. I’ve done a fair bit of reading on it, many swear by it, but I think majority think it’s too slow and unnecessary. To me, whatever keeps me coming back for more is the most important even if it’s not the most efficient.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

I’m a pro meat kind of guy. I love barbecuing all summer, hell I barbecue in the winter. I don’t think I could ever go vegan, but I have been toying with the idea of scaling back on my meat content. It’s tough, it’s how I’ve eaten since a child.

I don’t find I ever feel full when eating vegetarian. I think the best I can do is reduce my meat portions while increasing my veggie portions and slowly reduce further over time.

I’m a big sushi fan and started making it at home. It’s costly, but delicious and sort of entertaining.

Below was our first attempt at home made sushi. Was very good.

Due to personal experiences, I have shifted my meat consumption to fatty fishes. A bout of long COVID and poor dental health necessitated the change. I happen to hate salmon and most other "fatty fishes", so it's a matter of duty that I eat them.

Plant-based is a red herring and ambiguous term, most often utilized by vegans to make the ideology appear flexible. People's diets are so bad to start with that even something as incomplete as that diet can improve matters by simply ending vitamin insufficiency and ceasing consumption of damaging, inflammatory foods.

Eating insulin-triggering foods(basically any high GI starchy food) like rice is one of the worst things people can do to themselves if they are on the road to diabetes. When people eat meat, it is often complemented with a starch such as bread, rice, sweet sauce, etc to improve desirability and taste.

Fermented foods that contain vitamin K2 or a K2 supplement is also something people need to eat.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Due to personal experiences, I have shifted my meat consumption to fatty fishes. A bout of long COVID and poor dental health necessitated the change. I happen to hate salmon and most other "fatty fishes", so it's a matter of duty that I eat them.

Plant-based is a red herring and ambiguous term, most often utilized by vegans to make the ideology appear flexible. People's diets are so bad to start with that even something as incomplete as that diet can improve matters by simply ending vitamin insufficiency and ceasing consumption of damaging, inflammatory foods.

Eating insulin-triggering foods(basically any high GI starchy food) like rice is one of the worst things people can do to themselves if they are on the road to diabetes. When people eat meat, it is often complemented with a starch such as bread, rice, sweet sauce, etc to improve desirability and taste.

Fermented foods that contain vitamin K2 or a K2 supplement is also something people need to eat.

I’m a salmon lover, but I’m a steak lover too. I’ve got near half a cow in my freezer. Lolol. I have not had meat in the last 4 days. Feels great, beans, nuts and veggies.

 

[angusyoung]

You won't get the same satiety level. It's no longer a chili if most of what you eat are beans anyways, it's just a bean plate, which is fine.
We have a few dishes like this in our lebanese cuisine. Red or white kidney beans in tomato sauce with a bit of beef.
Also done with spinach.

I suppose I misspoke,should have said chili con carne. Anyways,it's all ''bastardized'' nowadays.But of course when removing a key component to a dish,it may or may not adversely affect the desired result.

 

[ClasslessGuy]

Leaving for Arizona on Wednesday (next week) fr a nice trail running trip, tested positive on Monday night of this week... really hope it's out of the system by then.... will self test this Saturday and go for my full test on Tuesday next week anyway because I didn't take the flight insurance...

 

[angusyoung]

Leaving for Arizona on Wednesday (next week) fr a nice trail running trip, tested positive on Monday night of this week... really hope it's out of the system by then.... will self test this Saturday and go for my full test on Tuesday next week anyway because I didn't take the flight insurance...

Perfect time of the year,not too hot and sunny and the rattlesnakes are still more or less passive. A lot of nice trails and lots to do in AZ. Gonna check out the 'yotes?

 

[ClasslessGuy]

Perfect time of the year,not too hot and sunny and the rattlesnakes are still more or less passive. A lot of nice trails and lots to do in AZ. Gonna check out the 'yotes?

Landing in the area but driving north to workout in altitude

 

[waffledave]

Heart rate training. Never let my heart rate get above of 138bpm. 7 hours a week, feels really silly jogging this slow, sometimes it requires breaking into a brisk walk. The beauty of it is that there is very little risk of injury, recover within 8 hours, it seems sustainable indefinitely and I don’t feel beat up all day long. My pace has gained 13 secs (faster) a km while my heart rate has dropped 4bpm. That pace is extremely slow right now, but I’m not worried about pace at all right now. Just trying to build a foundation. Feels great tbh.

The progress is likely way too slow for the majority of the population, but I’ve had consistent pain/pressure in my chest since August. All tests have come back clear even though I feel off still I’ve decided to get on with life, trust my results and stop expecting the worst. I don’t feel quite comfortable doing any high intensity work yet so I’ve adopted this instead. I’ve done a fair bit of reading on it, many swear by it, but I think majority think it’s too slow and unnecessary. To me, whatever keeps me coming back for more is the most important even if it’s not the most efficient.

I have tried this kind of training before, and I just can't do it. My heart beats really fast when I'm active. If I run for say 30 minutes, it'll be around 170-180. Last long run I did, 22 kms, it was a solid 170 for 2 straight hours. For me to keep it under 138 would honestly just be fast walking. Even trying to keep it under 154 was just comically slow jogging... it was almost more difficult.

By the way, I have also been having chest pain/pressure going back to about a year. I was concerned too, went to the doctor, they did some tests and said I was fine. I was still uncomfortable even though it wasn't triggered or made worse by exercise, and kept trying to figure it out with doctors. Finally they figured it out - it is due to chronic inflammation of the chest wall - basically the cartilage around my sternum and ribs. In retrospect I probably should have figured that out, because it really does feel like someone is trying to rip my sternum out of my chest, and if I push on the area it feels almost like a bruise.

 

[Kriss E]

I have tried this kind of training before, and I just can't do it. My heart beats really fast when I'm active. If I run for say 30 minutes, it'll be around 170-180. Last long run I did, 22 kms, it was a solid 170 for 2 straight hours. For me to keep it under 138 would honestly just be fast walking. Even trying to keep it under 154 was just comically slow jogging... it was almost more difficult.

By the way, I have also been having chest pain/pressure going back to about a year. I was concerned too, went to the doctor, they did some tests and said I was fine. I was still uncomfortable even though it wasn't triggered or made worse by exercise, and kept trying to figure it out with doctors. Finally they figured it out - it is due to chronic inflammation of the chest wall - basically the cartilage around my sternum and ribs. In retrospect I probably should have figured that out, because it really does feel like someone is trying to rip my sternum out of my chest, and if I push on the area it feels almost like a bruise.

What is your resting heart rate? What about after a walk?

 

[waffledave]

What is your resting heart rate? What about after a walk?

Resting is like 70-75. Walk depends on intensity. If it's like a brisk walk maybe like 100.