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I'd make that move today.
You would ? LMAO....pay out the coach salary of 11 million plus add on another 15 million to pay the new guy plus the changeover in assistants....amounting to almost 30 million ......yup.....I'm sure a GM is going to run that upstairs to the owner . Don't feel bad....there are a few more singing the same tune that is ridiculous and made without thought .
 
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The Torts' group had limited talent but all world guts and leadership

This group has all world talent but limited guts and leadership

Our leadership group is non existent.

They had a fluff piece on Trouba, on how he's 'reading leadership books'... Do true leaders need to read 'how to' books?
 
The Torts' group had limited talent but all world guts and leadership

This group has all world talent but limited guts and leadership

Our leadership group is non existent.

They had a fluff piece on Trouba, on how he's 'reading leadership books'... Do true leaders need to read 'how to' books?

Messier never read anything in his life. Any-thing.
 
Zbad has not been great, yet he's at least playing pretty even. Kreider has not been good, again though he is at least keeping up.

Panarin, Trouba, are not good.

The six or so 4th liners are just that.

Chytil in the games hes played has probably been their best forward 5on5, at least in terms of tangible results. Kreider with him looked at least somewhat promising last night.

Panarin needs a defense wing, maybe play him with Trocheck and Vesey and tell Vesey to hang back? The goals against Panarin is bleeding off needs to end.

Laff-Zbad-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Vesey
Kreider-Chytil-Blais
Goodrow-Rydahl-Gauthier - Carpenter stinks.
Reaves

The D, they need Lindgren back, yet also need improvements from just about everyone.
 
The lack of 5v5 scoring is what troubles me. As a team, we are currently 25/32 in that category. When it comes to even strength points (so I guess this stat also counts OT and 4v4), we've got Adam Fox at #36 with 8 points in 14 games. Panarin is #56 with 8 points. Zibanejad is #179 with 5 EVP (Trochek, Kreider and Kakko have 6).

That's just not good enough, not nearly good enough. There haven't been major injuries to explain the lack of firepower either. And no, I don't buy that this is just bad luck either. Last year we were #19 as a team in that category. We simply don't create enough, and that's on the coach and roster construction.

We could've won games with better goaltending and slightly better PP execution, sure.

People complain our young players don't get enough ice time as it is.Hire Trotz and watch their time get cut in half even more
Trotz is the last person I want behind the bench if we are looking for a new coach. I want an offensive minded systems coach, not a defensive minded one. Who that could be, I have no idea. Also a pointless discussion, because I think it's fairly obvious Gallant isn't getting fired.
 
I think that's something we can all agree on.

Our forwards don't commit to D enough and they're not the 80's Oilers with scoring goals. This group has never been great finishers.

Our defense is not what it was last year. Jones/Schneider have been awful. Trouba is a god damn train wreck and it's bringing Mantis down to his level.

And our goaltending is not as good as last year.

It's all a recipe for tightening things up. Whether we do it or not is another story. Maybe they turn things around and the analytics match the results. It's still early and I'm not firing the coach yet, but I am keeping my eye on what we do.
The thing is we are quickly approaching the 20 game mark. That's a quarter of the season already. They're out of a playoff spot right now. These games matter as much as they do in the 4th quarter of the season. There's really nothing to hang their hat on right now, I don't really care about analytics as much as others do. The results are not there.

Even the Buffalo Sabres have a positive goal differential. The Rangers performance right now is embarrassing.
 
I think I can sum this up very simply: The Rangers want to (FINALLY) become a North-South team (if I remember correctly, that was JD's and Gort's intention). They hired DQ to implement that system.....same with GG. Yet, despite all these "best intentions", they have continued to sign/trade for East-West players that don't fit the N-S mold and refuse to adapt. I don't see how firing GG is going to accomplish anything.....the new coach will only face the same problems.
 
You would ? LMAO....pay out the coach salary of 11 million plus add on another 15 million to pay the new guy plus the changeover in assistants....amounting to almost 30 million ......yup.....I'm sure a GM is going to run that upstairs to the owner . Don't feel bad....there are a few more singing the same tune that is ridiculous and made without thought .
PIT and STL fired their coaches mid season and won Cups. The team is awful right now with no signs of improvement. No cap space to make the additions they did last year. What's the solution? Can't fire 20 players. And sitting around waiting for different results while doing the same thing isn't helping either.

Teams replace their coaches. Rangers are a 2 billion dollar organization. 11 million wouldn't hold them back.
 
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You would ? LMAO....pay out the coach salary of 11 million plus add on another 15 million to pay the new guy plus the changeover in assistants....amounting to almost 30 million ......yup.....I'm sure a GM is going to run that upstairs to the owner . Don't feel bad....there are a few more singing the same tune that is ridiculous and made without thought .

For a small market team yeah this would be an issue but this wouldn't even be a question for Dolan. Guy has total trust in Drury and would have no issue signing the checks.
 
I think I can sum this up very simply: The Rangers want to (FINALLY) become a North-South team (if I remember correctly, that was JD's and Gort's intention). They hired DQ to implement that system.....same with GG. Yet, despite all these "best intentions", they have continued to sign/trade for East-West players that don't fit the N-S mold and refuse to adapt. I don't see how firing GG is going to accomplish anything.....the new coach will only face the same problems.

Ironically, I was thinking to myself during the game that it was the most north-south they've been in a long time, especially early in the game, with the new line combinations. The Trocheck line with Vesey and Laf was really good. Kreider looked alive with Chytil and Kravtsov. Guess what, though, the Zib-Panarin-Kakko was the worst, not counting the 4th line. I don't think Kakko will benefit from playing with those two. He had that one great play in the third where he was able to move in on Varlamov but lost the handle at the last moment.
 
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I think I can sum this up very simply: The Rangers want to (FINALLY) become a North-South team (if I remember correctly, that was JD's and Gort's intention). They hired DQ to implement that system.....same with GG. Yet, despite all these "best intentions", they have continued to sign/trade for East-West players that don't fit the N-S mold and refuse to adapt. I don't see how firing GG is going to accomplish anything.....the new coach will only face the same problems.
That's a good point. Trocheck from Strome helps a little in that regard. But it's not enough.

If the players aren't listening to the coach if the coach is telling them something that's an issue.

Which brings us back to the coach. Are the players starting to tune him out? Whatever it is, the coach isn't getting the most out of his players.
 
This team is a soft, skilled, often lazy team with poor defense and elite pp scoring. Which is fine if we were getting 30-50% of the cap available to us this season or next. But we aren't. Bc we stupidly committed so much to guys like goodrow, ck, mika, trouba (and we traded for the right to massively overpay two of them too lol) for sooo long.
Yo Mika earns his contract. I’m sick of this Mika bashing. He doesn’t belong in that sentence at all.

He’s literally the most versatile player on the team, plays every single situation well, and has one of the best shots in the national hockey league. Most teams have zero Mika Zibanejads. We have one and we are lucky. He has a complete game.
 
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The Torts' group had limited talent but all world guts and leadership

This group has all world talent but limited guts and leadership

Our leadership group is non existent.

They had a fluff piece on Trouba, on how he's 'reading leadership books'... Do true leaders need to read 'how to' books?

You have a cartoonish view of what a leader is.
 
Yo Mika earns his contract. I’m sick of this Mika bashing. He doesn’t belong in that sentence at all.

He’s literally the most versatile player on the team, plays every single situation well, and has one of the best shots in the national hockey league. Most teams have zero Mika Zibanejads. We have one and we are lucky. He has a complete game.
Mika has done jackall at even strength. It's not just this season, it's a solidified trend at this point.

He excels on the rush and is extremely opportuinistic... but now he doesn't finish like he used to
 
Tonight’s game was really frustrating and upsetting. I’ve been beating the drum for weeks about lack of structure, puck management and puck support. But tonight, left me feeling different than the other disappointing games.

While I do see tons to critique in their team gane, especially in their own zone, and especially their forwards commitment to D, there was something else that stood out.

We look, um, tired? I thought it was a discipline, commitment issue, but actually it seems like they’re too tired or banged up to give a full 60. Too many lapses, lack of commitment in puck battles and in front of their own net. Lack of support for a d corps that is routinely trying to do too much.

But more striking is that much of the issues are coming from sloppy play of the vets - from Zibby, to Bread, to Kreids and Trouba, Goody and even Foxy. Lindy too. Nearly all the vets on this team seem like they’re still banged up from last season. It could be that theyre having a recovery issue from overuse last playoff season. It’s also true that all of last years final four teams are struggling somewhat (at least points wise). We hadn’t been to the playoffs for years and then went on a deep run where the vets were leaned on to carry the team. Maybe they just have it in them right now to play a full sixty - lack of d zone commitment, not contesting the front of their net, mental errors, poor puck support.

It all strikes me as either a physical thing or maybe a mental thing likely caused by nagging injuries. I’m not trying to make excuses I’m just trying to make sense of what we’re seeing.

When the Rangers went up by two you could see a few shifts where they stopped moving their feet and forechecking. That gave the islanders too much time and space and the goals Igor gave up were the result of the D not controlling the ice right in front of him. It all just smacks of a tired team. Or a deeply Unconfident one. Maybe both.

In any case, it’s been disappointing. Like I was just as pissed as everyone about both blown calls, but a good team needs to push through those moments. They’re not overcoming much this season and finding a way. There’s rarely another gear when they need it.

Due to cap issues there’s almost nothing to do to address this issue. They don’t have the flexibility to fix this team in-season with other personnel. They’re going to have to work through as a team. I’m
Its an age thing combined w their game 5 vv5 has ALWAYS been like this.

These guys are 30+ now. Buckle up bc they're all here eating all that cap for another 4-6 years.

Except maybe we can trade trouba and ck

Yo Mika earns his contract. I’m sick of this Mika bashing. He doesn’t belong in that sentence at all.

He’s literally the most versatile player on the team, plays every single situation well, and has one of the best shots in the national hockey league. Most teams have zero Mika Zibanejads. We have one and we are lucky. He has a complete game.
No you're not reading. I didn't say mika has zero business on this team. I said he and the other 3 have zero business on 6-8 year deals instead of 3-4.

Maybe mayyybe I could see it w Mika. But really base it on where this team was and based on the performance of those guys and their age. They should be on the last or 2nd to last year of their deals.
 
That's a good point. Trocheck from Strome helps a little in that regard. But it's not enough.

If the players aren't listening to the coach if the coach is telling them something that's an issue.

Which brings us back to the coach. Are the players starting to tune him out? Whatever it is, the coach isn't getting the most out of his players.
While what you say may be true, the fact that our top players all prefer the E-W game is telling. If you recall, when DQ was coach, one of them (I believe it was Strome or Zib) said to the press that they preferred (and/or were going to continue) to play their way.

I don't think it's a coincidence that two coaches incur the same problem --- especially since their top lines are virtually the same.
 
D would look stellar if we had more structure. If it was one or two guys who were consistently garbage I’d agree, but it’s all of them having bad years defending. It’s a team-wide issue. Don’t think they’d look stellar if Torts were the coach?
The biggest problem with the D is continually backing into the D-zone when opponents have the puck. This is another long-time problem that's never been corrected.
 
While what you say may be true, the fact that our top players all prefer the E-W game is telling. If you recall, when DQ was coach, one of them (I believe it was Strome or Zib) said to the press that they preferred (and/or were going to continue) to play their way.

I don't think it's a coincidence that two coaches incur the same problem --- especially since their top lines are virtually the same.
Definitely an issue. A huge issue if the players just disregard the coach and do what they want.
 
The Torts' group had limited talent but all world guts and leadership

This group has all world talent but limited guts and leadership

Our leadership group is non existent.

They had a fluff piece on Trouba, on how he's 'reading leadership books'... Do true leaders need to read 'how to' books?
At least Torts adjusted his system to fit the personnel....when he won in TB, they had a high powered offense. When he came here, he was forced to concentrate on the defensive side because our forward talent was not that good.
 
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Nah if we break up a 65% xGF line to put the f***ing kid line back together, that'll magically make Igor stop a puck
Valiquette was delicate about it, but clearly said Shesterkin was the negative difference maker.

A good game for the fans who remind me of the townspeople in the old Frankenstein films.
 
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At least Torts adjusted his system to fit the personnel....when he won in TB, they had a high powered offense. When he came here, he was forced to concentrate on the defensive side because our forward talent was not that good.
And Torts demands effort above all. He gets his players in shape and gets them to play hard for the team. I also like that he just calls things the way they are and doesn't give the media fluffy cliches like a politician. People, and in recent years players, are too sensitive.
 
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