Post-Game Talk: fish

[rangersfansince08]

they just don't take this rivalry seriously. the isles do and they are 15-4 at MSg since 2014

 

[JimmyG89]

Rangers were 8-3-3 through the first 14 games last season, but they were playing like shit most of the time. Now they are 6-5-3 and are playing much better overall, but losing more games. Definitely not hitting the panic button, but the team's overall depth is being challenged early on. Chytil and Kravtsov missing multiple games has not helped. Shesterkin not being a world beater is hurting, but his numbers are good, just not what they were. I think he corrects and gets back to 920SV% and 2.3 GAA soon.

Top 3 lines were good. That 3rd line was solid. Krav looked okay in his 1st game back. Chytil was flying around. Lots of speed on that line. Just have an issue with Vesey on the 2nd line. Need more of an offensive punch there.

The 4th line is a dumpster fire. Something has to give. It's molasses slow. Need a speed injection there. Carpenter should be the first to go. Rydahl should be getting a call up soon, just from his camp. Maybe Cuylle is a mid-season move. 4 points in 8 games down there. Really wish they did give Othmann the 9 games, even if he was in and out of the lineup. Could be getting a shot on the 2nd line instead of Vesey.

Hopefully Gauthier is getting closer. I'd add him back in a heartbeat. His speed in the bottom 6 is missing. Hell, he could even replace Vesey on that 2nd line right now.

 

[Off Sides]

The issue I had with Torts was he'd chase the most talented guys off, or they'd just start to tune him out.

There is room for both talented guys who like to make cross ice plays, and north south orientated players, finding the balance is the difficult part in both roster construction and coaching.

Seeing talented players standing in front blocking shots while only being able to dump the puck in for a line change all game is not the solution either.

 

[Machinehead]

The Torts' group had limited talent but all world guts and leadership

This group has all world talent but limited guts and leadership

Our leadership group is non existent.

They had a fluff piece on Trouba, on how he's 'reading leadership books'... Do true leaders need to read 'how to' books?

The captain of Torts' teams left because he had a fit over money and then the team got much better.

The revisionist history on Callahan and 11-12 in general is insane. That team should have been an 8 seed, and they played like a lottery team in the playoffs. That team putting up 109 points and skating in the ECF was Hank's magnum opus.

 

[chosen]

Mika has done jackall at even strength. It's not just this season, it's a solidified trend at this point.

He excels on the rush and is extremely opportuinistic... but now he doesn't finish like he used to

Zib on pace for 40 goals.

How many goals does a player have to score to be considered a finisher?

 

[Machinehead]

Zibanejad having zero even strength goals on a 62% possession line is a comedy of insanity.

It's one of those random sports things that people way overreact to that they shouldn't react to at all.

 

[duhmetreE]

Zib on pace for 40 goals.

How many goals does a player have to score to be considered a finisher?

Zibs on pace for zero goals at even strength

Read. I’m specifically talking about even strength

The captain of Torts' teams left because he had a fit over money and then the team got much better.

The revisionist history on Callahan and 11-12 in general is insane. That team should have been an 8 seed, and they played like a lottery team in the playoffs. That team putting up 109 points and skating in the ECF was Hank's magnum opus.

One has nothing to do with the other. Callahan never lacked guts and effort.

Paying a broken down-high mileage man, big money and long term is a different story.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Dolan has total trust in no one, except perhaps Isaih Thomas.

And even that's gotten a bit sketchy.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Zibanejad having zero even strength goals on a 62% possession line is a comedy of insanity.

It's one of those random sports things that people way overreact to that they shouldn't react to at all.

I get it. But when will it equalize. How many games before we can panic about this?

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Definitely an issue. A huge issue if the players just disregard the coach and do what they want.

I think the issue is that management allows it.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I get it. But when will it equalize. How many games before we can panic about this?

panic? the guy is on pace for 41 goals and 93 points......if this is panicking then I dont know what to tell you

 

[CLW]

I think I can sum this up very simply: The Rangers want to (FINALLY) become a North-South team (if I remember correctly, that was JD's and Gort's intention). They hired DQ to implement that system.....same with GG. Yet, despite all these "best intentions", they have continued to sign/trade for East-West players that don't fit the N-S mold and refuse to adapt. I don't see how firing GG is going to accomplish anything.....the new coach will only face the same problems.

Or the players will face the same problem with the latest version dunderhead dino coach. Maybe management and coaches should have a vision that fits the team they have at hand?

 

[The S5]

Is it the players unable to execute or is it theres no coherent strategy for them to execute? Im going with the latter based on everything ive seen so far. Gallant is no tactician and he’s dumber than a box of pucks. What exactly is his system?

You can't really think that Gallant doesn't have a system. Most NHL coaches run the same shit. Some utilize different forecheck alignments, PP strategies etc...
Let me ask you, do you think Gallant is telling Bread to turn the puck over 10 times a game? How about not picking up your defensive responsibility, or getting three forwards below the puck?
To be fair, I don't really have a strong opinion on Gallant. It's just silly to lay the blame at the coaches feet all of the time.

 

[Off Sides]

I think the issue is that management allows it.

Panarin is going to play like he does, there is really nothing anyone can do about it. He takes up currently 14% of their cap space and is signed for 3 more years after this one with a full no movement clause.

Yet they need to find a way where he is not on ice for 15 goals against and only 10 for 5on5. That ratio is already sinking them and will continue to given he leads in time on ice at even strength among forwards.

 

[will1066]

I ordered Panera for lunch. Ridiculously expensive, just like Panarin is fast becoming a ridiculous contract.

 

[The S5]

I coached some high level hockey, analytics were useful when they came in but as players learned how to manipulate them it became less and less useful as a tool and sometimes even detrimental to team success.

Like a whole breed of defense men who can't defend. Norris candidates though.

 

[chosen]

Zibs on pace for zero goals at even strength

Read. I’m specifically talking about even strength


One has nothing to do with the other. Callahan never lacked guts and effort.

Paying a broken down-high mileage man, big money and long term is a different story.

"He excels on the rush and is extremely opportuinistic... but now he doesn't finish like he used to"

Either you're a poor writer or you don't understand what you write.

Is Ovechkin a good finisher at even strength?

I get it. But when will it equalize. How many games before we can panic about this?

Everyone is free to panic whenever they want, but we don't all have to panic at the same time.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You can't really think that Gallant doesn't have a system. Most NHL coaches run the same shit. Some utilize different forecheck alignments, PP strategies etc...
Let me ask you, do you think Gallant is telling Bread to turn the puck over 10 times a game? How about not picking up your defensive responsibility, or getting three forwards below the puck?
To be fair, I don't really have a strong opinion on Gallant. It's just silly to lay the blame at the coaches feet all of the time.

I think the players play the way they do because he allows them to get away with it. He's a players coach who isn't a tactician on the best of days. If not for Igor's historic season last year, this team would have been fighting for the bubble spot. Igor has nothing to do with Gallant.

 

[duhmetreE]

"He excels on the rush and is extremely opportuinistic... but now he doesn't finish like he used to"

Either you're a poor writer or you don't understand what you write.


Everyone is free to panic whenever they want, but we don't all have to panic at the same time.

Yes. I'll spell it out for you and I can have @EdJovanovski draw a diagram with crayons, if need be.

His analytics at even strength were never strong.
He used to excel in GF by finishing the limited opportunities he received/created
He excelled off the rush in past years

NOW, he is no longer finishing any opportunities. He was a finisher/sniper. Not just on the PP. Now, not so much. He passes up a lot of scoring chances, where past Mika would snipe a corner.

Do you understand? You should run for Senate in Pennsylvania

 

[Kocur26]

What a miserable fkn loss up my ass all morning

He is credited with a even strength goal, yet not a 5on5 goal. I guess he scored 4on4 or 3on3?

It's not just him 5on5, there are only 5 Rangers who have a positive goal differential 5on5.

Panarin is -7 in 5on5 goal differential, when he is on the ice over this season the other team has 7 more goals for than the Rangers have had. Zbad by comparison is a -2

That’s because Panarin is a true Russian player - all one way .

He throws the puck away with careless abandon.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Our leadership group is non existent.

They had a fluff piece on Trouba, on how he's 'reading leadership books'... Do true leaders need to read 'how to' books?

I'm only mad at his on ice play and exorbitant cap hit but I'm imagining him reading "the idiots guide to leading" except its upside down and he's reading a dirty magazine hidden inside instead

 

[Off Sides]

Zbad last year was a +26 in 5on5 goals for/against led the team

Panarin was a +22

Miller, Trouba a +21

The idea that the team was tangibly bad 5on5 last year is very questionable.

This year the idea they've improved when have only 5 players (Krav being one of them in 5 games) at plus anything goal wise 5on5 is also very questionable.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Yes. I'll spell it out for you and I can have @EdJovanovski draw a diagram with crayons, if need be.

His analytics at even strength were never strong.
He used to excel in GF by finishing the limited opportunities he received/created
He excelled off the rush in past years

NOW, he is no longer finishing any opportunities. He was a finisher/sniper. Not just on the PP. Now, not so much. He passes up a lot of scoring chances, where past Mika would snipe a corner.

Do you understand? You should run for Senate in Pennsylvania

Lol.

Stop using data, evidence and reason to prove people wrong, dammit.

That said id bebopen to a counter that goes into what is it mika does defensively out there? What else does he excel at offensively that helps 5 v 5.

Or is ot all just a dangerous shot plus jumping up on the rush?

 

[duhmetreE]

Zbad last year was a +26 in 5on5 goals for/against led the team

Panarin was a +22

Miller, Trouba a +21

The idea that the team was tangibly bad 5on5 last year is very questionable.

This year the idea they've improved when have only 5 players (Krav being one of them in 5 games) at plus anything goal wise 5on5 is also very questionable.

Leaving out a generational goalie season kind of skews it.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Zbad last year was a +26 in 5on5 goals for/against led the team

Panarin was a +22

Miller, Trouba a +21

The idea that the team was tangibly bad 5on5 last year is very questionable.

This year the idea they've improved when have only 5 players (Krav being one of them in 5 games) at plus anything goal wise 5on5 is also very questionable.

This year's team is better at generating chances but sucks at finishing them. Last year's team would get outshot and outchanced but they'd finish the few chances they got