Post-Game Talk: fish

[huerter]

no doubt its been a brutal stretch

98-04 was a brutal stretch.

 

[gravey9]

Tonight’s game was really frustrating and upsetting. I’ve been beating the drum for weeks about lack of structure, puck management and puck support. But tonight, left me feeling different than the other disappointing games.

While I do see tons to critique in their team gane, especially in their own zone, and especially their forwards commitment to D, there was something else that stood out.

We look, um, tired? I thought it was a discipline, commitment issue, but actually it seems like they’re too tired or banged up to give a full 60. Too many lapses, lack of commitment in puck battles and in front of their own net. Lack of support for a d corps that is routinely trying to do too much.

But more striking is that much of the issues are coming from sloppy play of the vets - from Zibby, to Bread, to Kreids and Trouba, Goody and even Foxy. Lindy too. Nearly all the vets on this team seem like they’re still banged up from last season. It could be that theyre having a recovery issue from overuse last playoff season. It’s also true that all of last years final four teams are struggling somewhat (at least points wise). We hadn’t been to the playoffs for years and then went on a deep run where the vets were leaned on to carry the team. Maybe they just have it in them right now to play a full sixty - lack of d zone commitment, not contesting the front of their net, mental errors, poor puck support.

It all strikes me as either a physical thing or maybe a mental thing likely caused by nagging injuries. I’m not trying to make excuses I’m just trying to make sense of what we’re seeing.

When the Rangers went up by two you could see a few shifts where they stopped moving their feet and forechecking. That gave the islanders too much time and space and the goals Igor gave up were the result of the D not controlling the ice right in front of him. It all just smacks of a tired team. Or a deeply Unconfident one. Maybe both.

In any case, it’s been disappointing. Like I was just as pissed as everyone about both blown calls, but a good team needs to push through those moments. They’re not overcoming much this season and finding a way. There’s rarely another gear when they need it.

Due to cap issues there’s almost nothing to do to address this issue. They don’t have the flexibility to fix this team in-season with other personnel. They’re going to have to work through as a team. I’m

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Honest to god they have to keep Gallant away from a table for pre/post game pressers.

It was relaxing not to hear the constant tapping on the table lol

Man, that is not a good look, Gallant looks unhealthy and not intimidating, he looks like a fool. We need a serious coach. Gallant should either retire or coach in Juniors or college level.

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

0 goals for Zibanejad at 5v5 14 games in. Any bets on how long he keeps this going?

Not true, he's got 1 goal in 5v5. Still godawful stats 5v5, might as well be 0.

 

[Cmox]

Really hoping Lindgren can play Thursday.

We definitely need his heart. It been some time since I was worried about the team not caring. They just have give zero hustle. Even when they came out of the gate tonight “strong” ( giving up a goal a short time later) it was like they were/are skating in quicksand. They all look like they went to the Reaves power skating clinic.

And no one is on the same page. The chemistry is not there.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Tonight’s game was really frustrating and upsetting. I’ve been beating the drum for weeks about lack of structure, puck management and puck support. But tonight, left me feeling different than the other disappointing games.

While I do see tons to critique in their team gane, especially in their own zone, and especially their forwards commitment to D, there was something else that stood out.

We look, um, tired? I thought it was a discipline, commitment issue, but actually it seems like they’re too tired or banged up to give a full 60. Too many lapses, lack of commitment in puck battles and in front of their own net. Lack of support for a d corps that is routinely trying to do too much.

But more striking is that much of the issues are coming from sloppy play of the vets - from Zibby, to Bread, to Kreids and Trouba, Goody and even Foxy. Lindy too. Nearly all the vets on this team seem like they’re still banged up from last season. It could be that theyre having a recovery issue from overuse last playoff season. It’s also true that all of last years final four teams are struggling somewhat (at least points wise). We hadn’t been to the playoffs for years and then went on a deep run where the vets were leaned on to carry the team. Maybe they just have it in them right now to play a full sixty - lack of d zone commitment, not contesting the front of their net, mental errors, poor puck support.

It all strikes me as either a physical thing or maybe a mental thing likely caused by nagging injuries. I’m not trying to make excuses I’m just trying to make sense of what we’re seeing.

When the Rangers went up by two you could see a few shifts where they stopped moving their feet and forechecking. That gave the islanders too much time and space and the goals Igor gave up were the result of the D not controlling the ice right in front of him. It all just smacks of a tired team. Or a deeply Unconfident one. Maybe both.

In any case, it’s been disappointing. Like I was just as pissed as everyone about both blown calls, but a good team needs to push through those moments. They’re not overcoming much this season and finding a way. There’s rarely another gear when they need it.

Due to cap issues there’s almost nothing to do to address this issue. They don’t have the flexibility to fix this team in-season with other personnel. They’re going to have to work through as a team. I’m

The expectations were very high this year and the team is not handling that very well. They are playing ok and generally have the better of the play but they have too many defensive breakdowns that winds up in the back of their net far too often. They don't look very confident and have blown 2 goal leads in back to back games against teams that played the night before. It seems to me like they are holding the sticks too tight when they are protecting a lead and they aren't getting the clutch goaltending either. I really don't know what to expect from this team moving forward. I'd like to think they are too talented and will turn it around as they are still in the mix but I could easily see this team regressing and not making the playoffs.

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

I'm sorry but Igor is on the long list of inconsistent goalies that can't keep it up season after season. 3 f***ing goals on 8 f***ing shots. Absolute embarrassing performance by him. Lost us this game. And I hope that ref that missed the trip gets hemorrhoids.

Not Gallant's fault when his MVP goalie is a f***ing sieve.

Shots were 40-26, 40 f***ing 26. I have ZERO faith in Shesterkin.

Listen to Vallequette. Shesterkin was trash on goals 2 and 3. You can't f***ing give up 3 goals up 3-1 on 8 shots.

The team played fun, the referee and shit goalie are what did them in. We dominated them 5 on 5 and looked better on the PP.

They should have. Their goalie lost them the game. Listen to Vallequette.

You can thank "Igor's better" for that one. Igor's worse than 90% of the starters in the league this year.

These weren't 40 unscreened wristers from the point. We had chances all game. Even had a breakaway in the third. Varlamov played like an NHL goalie, Igor played like a beer leaguer.

This board's aversion to EVER blaming the goalie for anything unless it's Georgiev or Biron is just remarkable.

The stats show that Georgiev has been better this season. Let that sink in.

Other than leaving Lee wide open on that 4th goal that should have been a penalty, I don't think any of the other three games were even high danger chances. The guy is not mentally strong enough to be a goalie. Should have known that when fans chanting his name in Pittsburgh made him lose his mind.

They're not relying on their goalie to bail them out every game. They've been the better team in virtually every game they've played. The fact that Igor and Henrik were NEVER EVER allowed to be criticized is one of the most maddening aspects of this board. The guy has been a big fat zero all season.

Fluke season.

That's not nearly good enough for your starter.

Professional goalie that's one of the smartest analysts on TV: Igor should have had goals 2 and 3.

HFboards "experts":

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Produce? No. That's the other problem. They have sure as hell been the better team 5 on 5 in virtually every game they've played this season. We're not going to never give up high danger chances. As a goalie you need to stop them at a much higher rate than Igor has. This is like arguing MAF had a good game against the Rangers because he faced a lot of high danger chances. We're a top team in both shots for and against, the offense needs to produce more but the goaltending has been a big fat 0. Oh and our GF% HDCF% were both top 10 going into this game and will improve after this game.

3 goals on 8 shots. The Islanders didn't go crazy and put 20 shots on him. It was a pathetic performance from quite frankly someone that looks like a headcase to me. This is the Penguins series Igor and he's never far away. There's a reason this guy never gets shutouts even when he's good.

I know this is probably about the season in its entirety but this game outside of the 4th goal and a few other plays here or there the defense was absolutely fine. The game is 100% on Igor.

When the game rests 100% on one player. Literally 100%, I don't know what record to change to.

The problem I have is that this league is littered with flash in the pan goalies that had a great season and never did anything after. The only thing keeping me from the ledge was his rookie year and history of great play in the KHL and AHL. To be fair Lundqvist had A LOT of slow starts in his career. His career looked done to start the 2013-14 season.

Congrats, you've spammed us with 20 posts about Igor in this thread, and I probably missed a few more.

We get it.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

We definitely need his heart. It been some time since I was worried about the team not caring. They just have give zero hustle. Even when they came out of the gate tonight “strong” ( giving up a goal a short time later) it was like they were/are skating in quicksand. They all look like they went to the Reaves power skating clinic.

And no one is on the same page. The chemistry is not there.

Tonight was a microcosm of the season. They had the better of the play overall, they didn't capitalize on some chances, and had every mistake bite them in the ass. That and the officiating was dreadful. I will never understand how that trip on Kakko that led to the winning goal wasn't called when the ref was right there looking at it.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I keep thinking this. What the hell is our system and identity right now?

This team doesn’t lack talent, how is it this bad right now?

Too much finesse players and or so many pass first types of talent. Need a real balance of players with different styles and players with size that goes to the net that can play with an edge consistently that can play in the top 9. Talent is not this issue.



At this point I would try this


Panarin Mika Kakko
Kreider Trocheck Blais
Lafy Chytil Kravtsov
Vesey Goodrow Goat/Reaves

Carpenter healthy scrartch

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

What an unbelievably dumb move putting Kakko and Panarin on the same line. Great idea to turn Kakko who has been one of the team's best forwards into window dressing because that's what happens on Panarin's line. Just galaxy brain stuff that went exactly as expected.

 

[2014nyr]

98-04 was a brutal stretch.

thats like saying the hindenburg had a bumpy landing

 

[JHS]

@TheBloodyNine

Glad you are looking forward to my posts. Wish I could say the same about your illustrious shares.

The game was an epic collapse. I’m bitterly disappointed in that third period but it came down to very soft plays, completely useless 3rd and 4th lines and a defense with Trouba that just made careless plays with the puck.

I’m sure you’ll lay this at Gallant’s feet as you are hopelessly against this guy. Whatever- enjoy your misery. I’ll continue to root for the team’s success and not the “ I told you so” ambitions you seem to have.

One last thing- you act like this “ know it all” with your “I knew Gallant was terrible” take but that’s about as deep as you seem to go. I doubt you actually have a clue what you watch most nights and spend most of your time stroking your own ego by all your “likes” from your bro @KirkAlbuquerque.

There was a reason I took a long break from posting here…

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I will never understand how that trip on Kakko that led to the winning goal wasn't called when the ref was right there looking at it.

Welcome to today's NHL.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Fire Gallant

 

[mike14]

Before I start wondering if Igor is just shell shocked leading up to this point - I still like him having a minimum 30 shots if not 35 shots a game. He seems to stay more dialed in with a heavier workload.

He needed to stop some of those tonight, he knows it and is clearly wearing it. How strong is he mentally to get out of this is the question.

Is there any way to split his stats on games over/under 30 shots? I'm legit curious on whether that's just my perception or not.

Games with 30+ shots: GAA of 2.327, SV% of 0.934
Games under 30 shots: GAA of 2.147, SV% of 0.911 (does not include games where he played less than half the total TOI)

 

[GENESISPuck94]

And once again we cant do jack shit 5 on 5.

Mika has been ass ES.

Zibanejad has been crap all season. He constantly looks tired/disinterested/lazy/stoned.

He and Kreider are hot boxing every day listening to Bob Marley with Cheech and Chong movies on repeat. Zibaneweed would rather be DJ-ing than play hockey.

Carpenter played 11 minutes.

You know Gallant is dying inside to have a Carpenter - Trocheck - Reaves top line.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

Zibanejad has been crap all season. He constantly looks tired/disinterested/lazy/stoned.

He and Kreider are hot boxing every day listening to Bob Marley with Cheech and Chong movies on repeat. Zibaneweed would rather be DJ-ing than play hockey.

Carpenter played 11 minutes.

You know Gallant is dying inside to have a Carpenter - Trocheck - Reaves top line.

I only liked your post because of the entertainment factor, I havent heard the term 'hot box' in years.... and Zibaneweed made me chuckle

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Something this franchise refuses to do, since basically Tortorella( I'm definitely not wishing him back, not a fan), is manufacture simple offense. Shots from the point, crash the net. Most successful teams incorporate this into their offense to spread teams out and become less predictable. Its why i believe we are bad 5on5, we're too predictable and teams just collapse and take away the cross ice pass. I have no idea why this team with all the sizeable players and good offensive dmen we have doesn't ever do this until its too late in a game.

 

[The S5]

This is Gallant. Zero system.

There is a system. You may not like it, but there is a system.

What's more important than the particulars of a system is the players ability to execute the system. So, a great system with players incapable or unwilling to execute the system is inferior to a rudimentary system with players capable and willing to execute the system.

 

[JHS]

There is a system. You may not like it, but there is a system.

What's more important than the particulars of a system is the players ability to execute the system. So, a great system with players incapable or unwilling to execute the system is inferior to a rudimentary system with players capable and willing to execute the system.

Exactly right. The coach is utilizing these guys correctly and placing them in positions to be successful. But somehow this bird for years has believed that the coach is solely responsible for all the issues with the team and never any success. Under Quinn, I often argued Quinn was at fault because his player use was awful. That argument can’t be made about Gallant so they resort to some ambiguous “no system” argument.

 

[Mike in Houston]

It's simply just disappointing. I also see that apparently our advanced stats are pretty darn good and yet we're not winning games. I'll gladly take crappy analytics if it means winning more games.

 

[bleedblue94]

We look, um, tired? I thought it was a discipline, commitment issue, but actually it seems like they’re too tired or banged up to give a full 60. Too many lapses, lack of commitment in puck battles and in front of their own net. Lack of support for a d corps that is routinely trying to do too much.

I felt last year we didn't look very well conditioned. We were good for a 60 min game but even in reg season ot we looked gassed last year. You are 100 percent right, it looks worse this year, and physical fatigue will manifest itself into mental mistakes, exhibit A = NYR

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Exactly right. The coach is utilizing these guys correctly and placing them in positions to be successful. But somehow this bird for years has believed that the coach is solely responsible for all the issues with the team and never any success. Under Quinn, I often argued Quinn was at fault because his player use was awful. That argument can’t be made about Gallant so they resort to some ambiguous “no system” argument.

Yeah he’s really utilizing them correctly, doing a great job of that so far this season!

There is a reason this guy has never been with a team more than 3 seasons and you are seeing it first hand. What is his system? Can you explain it? What’s his strategy, other than “Igor has to steal us the game”?

But hey, keep pumping his tires, I’m sure eventually hes gonna prove you right. Or not. Im guessing its the not. Im guessing im gonna get proven right about this guy before you do

 

[Off Sides]

Not true, he's got 1 goal in 5v5. Still godawful stats 5v5, might as well be 0.

He is credited with a even strength goal, yet not a 5on5 goal. I guess he scored 4on4 or 3on3?

It's not just him 5on5, there are only 5 Rangers who have a positive goal differential 5on5.

Panarin is -7 in 5on5 goal differential, when he is on the ice over this season the other team has 7 more goals for than the Rangers have had. Zbad by comparison is a -2

 

[TheBloodyNine]

There is a system. You may not like it, but there is a system.

What's more important than the particulars of a system is the players ability to execute the system. So, a great system with players incapable or unwilling to execute the system is inferior to a rudimentary system with players capable and willing to execute the system.

Is it the players unable to execute or is it theres no coherent strategy for them to execute? Im going with the latter based on everything ive seen so far. Gallant is no tactician and he’s dumber than a box of pucks. What exactly is his system?