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aufheben said:
Call them "reasons" if you want, it doesn't make a difference to me. People have been calling me a 'doom and gloomer' for months, and now that I'm worried (and pissed) that this team my miss the playoffs, I'm overreacting.

And when it comes to meaningful discussions, I'll take actual criticisms over pumping the team's tires every time. Criticism is how you improve.
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Criticism is how you improve if the "you" needing improvement and the "you" hearing the criticism are the the same person. In this case, they're not. Us talking on this board doesn't alter the team a bit, for better or for worse, no matter what we say.

You can be whatever you want and think whatever you want of the team. I totally understand that different fans watch for different reasons and come to the games with different expectations. That's fine.

I just think it's silly to say that this place is full of excuses, when in reality it is the exact opposite. This place is overflowing with criticism.
 
What the hell are we supposed to talk about when this team is starting to drop out of a playoff spot? How nice St. Louis' lone assist was?
 
aufheben said:
What the hell are we supposed to talk about when this team is starting to drop out of a playoff spot? How nice St. Louis' lone assist was?
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No, we talk about how my Dodgers are going to be amazing this year.

In all seriousness, I can't even get mad because everyone who makes decisions about garden teams has no clue what they're doing.

I try to make the best of it, and hope for the best.

MSL needs to relax.....but he needs to score, and soon before we start spiraling...
 
aufheben said:
What the hell are we supposed to talk about when this team is starting to drop out of a playoff spot? How nice St. Louis' lone assist was?
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Not screaming doomsday because one of the best scorers in the league goes on a slump after changing teams would be a good start.
 
aufheben said:
You and I can talk about whatever we like. I'm not worried about him finding his game, I'm worried about when.
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I get that and it would be horrible if we missed the playoffs this year, but that would not necessarily mean the trade was a bad one. if he takes this year to find his game and becomes a valuable contributor next year and leads the team to a good playoff run, it could be worth it.

I don't mind criticism, I've been pretty critical of the team myself and concern with the team's current situation and management. I just think some of the comments regarding MSL have been pretty uncalled for.

The first part of your post I didn't really get :laugh:
 
Another point is I think his team mates are trying too hard to get him the puck. I mean obviously as a play making winger you want the puck on your stick more often than not, but they are trying to get the puck to him when he's partially open or not open at all and he ends up with the puck in a very difficult situation or not getting it. It's partially due to him still getting used to the system and therefore not knowing where to be at all times, but also about his team mates wanting to get him involved since they obviously know what he can do.

Last night Zucc tried to force the pass to him twice within 30 seconds on the pp, resulting in two blocked passes and eventually a clear. Kreider gave up more than one excellent shot opportunity last night just to give the puck to MSL who was in a worse spot and Hagelin gave up wide open nets to try a cross crease to a covered MSL.

They really aren't doing him any favors by playing like that. I think that will settle down and we'll see him play better. It does need to happen sooner rather than later.
 
It seemed like MSL's main reason for being here is to be close to his family in Greenwich. That's not good enough for me.

When a player comes to the Rangers, I want one of his major objectives to be doing whatever it takes to win games for the Rangers with the eventual goal of winning a cup. I'm not seeing it so far. Too many players come here for the wrong reasons.
 
OverTheCap said:
It seemed like MSL's main reason for being here is to be close to his family in Greenwich. That's not good enough for me.

When a player comes to the Rangers, I want one of his major objectives to be doing whatever it takes to win games for the Rangers with the eventual goal of winning a cup. I'm not seeing it so far. Too many players come here for the wrong reasons.
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You sound surprised.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
You sound surprised.
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Nah, I'm used to it. I'm not surprised when guys like Nash, Gomez, Redden, Kamensky, etc., come here for the wrong reasons but I always liked MSL and felt he was player with strong character. The whole situation with him demanding a trade because of the Olympic snub is making me change my tune.
 
I've become convinced that NY just isn't the place for winning hockey... we could blame Renne... then Torts... then Slats... fact is, Sather has done his part in recent years, and if he uses this phenomenon to his advantage, we could be a big seller and bring in more exciting players, but even still, not superstitious, but I don't think this organization is going to get lucky an time soon, and I don't think hockey is a great fit in NY, as silly as it may sound.

The phenomenon I mentioned before is that this team, the players on it, simply LOSE their offensive success, which diminishes their value. If Sather is a good salesman, we could get more talent, more easily... however, the prospective new talent would fall victim to the same phenomenon, so it's a catch 22.

St. Louis has crystallized this opinion for me. The guy was a machine, putting up a PPG for the last decade. Then he comes here and can't do it anymore. This time we can't blame the "system."

The '94 team, who COULD score (different game altogether 20 years ago), was an anomaly with all the factors going into that run.

We can't win.
 
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