Firing Dubas was an excuse, the real problem is Shanny.

[ToneDog]

Cliff had his moments, yes.

I knew he had gone senile after he was pressured by the fans to bring Wendel back.

 

[leafs in five]

I don’t see any misplaced quotation marks in his post.

1st and 2nd year university students demanded "good grades" just for "existing"? like I know "existing" is a quote from Finn which is the other person in you people because he put the word between quotes as well, as if that is actually the response of his millenial employees when they are asked why they deserve a promotion. when clearly none of these people will have ever said that, it's his interpretation of their response, but it's between quotes like it was spoken by one or more of the people he is criticizing.

 

[leafs in five]

I assume Canadian Finn's shop has a box at the ACC and some very wealthy partners or whatever but it seems obvious also that Kyle Dubas has done pretty well for himself professionally, no matter your thoughts on the job he did here, and surely some boomer mentors would counsel their geriatric millenial mentees to seek greater responsibility and compensation with a new employer. anyway

 

[Nineteen67]

You mean, like the 2014 LA Kings?

No, not really, but strange things happen.

The Kings had the pieces, which is the whole point.

Yes it would be quite a story had any of those Leafs teams won two or three rounds.

 

[Ciao]

I think your selling Dubie short , from where he started from it's easy to make an argument that Dubas was as bad or worse than the GM's you listed.

Kadri for Kerfoot and Barrie
1st plus for Foligno

then there was Dubas grossly overpaying for bottom pair D

two 2nds and a 3rd for Gio
1st and a 2nd for MaCabe and a 4th liner

he also left us without a 1st in 2025 and without a 2nd rd pick for four consecutive years

then you have aging the declining players like Gio/Brodie/JT he left behind and a D core that pretty much had to be almost completely rebuilt

Those are all mainly minor penalties with the odd five-minute major thrown in. Ten minutes for the Foligno deal, and in my books another five on what they gave up for O'Reilly.

The deals I mentioned are all game misconducts with the possibility of supplemental discipline. Courtnall for Kordic? Who in their right mind does that?

Anyhow, it's all water under the bridge now. Somehow, amazingly, the Leafs' franchise survived.

 

[rumman]

I knew he had gone senile after he was pressured by the fans to bring Wendel back.

Or when he signed Finger thinking he was another D man……..

 

[Ciao]

The Kings had the pieces, which is the whole point.

Yes it would be quite a story had any of those Leafs teams won two or three rounds.

The 2014 Kings were then seen as a very flawed team that barely made the playoffs, and it was a major surpriise that they won that year.

It goes to show that if you make the playoffs, you have a chance.

Look at the other side, too. How often has the Cup favourite gone out early? Tampa? Boston?

The Stanley Cup tournament is highly unpredictable.

 

[CelticDruid]

I'll call you on that too.

I'm not a gambler, but I just visited this site -- FanDuel Sportsbook -- and the saw the odds on winning the Stanley Cup as follows:

someone else does.​

Those are all mainly minor penalties with the odd five- minute major thrown in. Ten minutes for the Foligno deal, and in my books another five on what they gave up for O'Reilly.

The deals I mentioned are all game misconduct with the possibility of supplemental discipline. Courtnall for Kordic? Who in their right mind does that?

Anyhow, it's all water under the bridge now. Somehow, amazingly, the Leafs' franchise survived.

You can always tell....

Blue n white disease

Dubas apologist.

Every random excuse we've all heard before.

 

[Ciao]

You can always tell....

Blue n white disease

Dubas apologist.

Every random excuse we've all heard before.

If you hate the Leafs, then why follow the team and watch their games?

Leafs management makes their fair share of mistakes in every season, but surely everything they do isn't all bad?

Wouldn't it be more fun to pile on the Bruins or the Habs than to have a never-ending civil war in Leafs' Nation? I don't understand the need to be for one manager and against another -- or against them all for that matter.

Apparently, when the Leafs lose for 50+ years that's all the current managers' fault, but when they win for seven it's not to their credit -- for whatever marginal success they have had, which is at least enought to build on.

 

[Nineteen67]

The 2014 Kings were then seen as a very flawed team that barely made the playoffs, and it was a major surpriise that they won that year.

It goes to show that if you make the playoffs, you have a chance.

Look at the other side, too. How often has the Cup favourite gone out early? Tampa? Boston?

The Stanley Cup tournament is highly unpredictable.

They had stars size goaltending D scoring checkers and coaching.

Finishing 8th was the surprise.

 

[Ciao]

They had stars size goaltending D scoring checkers and coaching.

Finishing 8th was the surprise.

The whole thing was a surprise.

The World is full of surprises -- every day and every year.

Let's cheer for the Leafs and hope for the best!

Go Leafs Go!

 

[Nineteen67]

The whole thing was a surprise.

The World is full of surprises -- every day and every year.

Let's cheer for the Leafs and hope for the best!

Go Leafs Go!

Those of us that watch hockey regularly weren’t surprised.

I would be surprised if a team like NYI, Philly, Leafs, TTOE won this year.

 

[joepeps]

The whole thing was a surprise.

The World is full of surprises -- every day and every year.

Let's cheer for the Leafs and hope for the best!

Go Leafs Go!

They were a team built for playoffs... Different rules set in the playoffs.

Leafs are built for reg season.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It's so clear. He wants a puppet and he got it.

Your god is in Pittsburgh now.

 

[Martin Skoula]

John Wooden won his first NCAA Basketball championship in his 16th season with UCLA. That was the first of ten championships, which is still the record for the NCAA.

That only happened because UCLA was committed to the process. They were winners because they stuck with a long-term plan, even when the immediate results weren't there for a very long time.

I don't mind waiting if the Leafs are competitive and are building in the right direction. That gives them the best chances of success.

In many fields, it takes a long time to be an overnight success

On the other hand, the Leafs could clean house by firing Shanahan, Treliving and Keefe, and start fresh with another management group until they haven't won a Stanley Cup in the next five years, and then fire them too. Rinse and repeat.

I would rather they stick with the plan they're on, keep knocking on the door and going in the direction they've taken. Every year they make the playoffs is one more chance to win the Stanley Cup championship. It's a brutal, unpredictable tournament, and seriously any playoff team can win.

Shanahan doesn’t stick to a plan though, we started with the premise of 4 lines of skill and speed overwhelming teams and by the end of Dubas’s run we were renting Foligno and Schenn. We used to be one of the fastest teams in the league top to bottom and now we’re average speed, average overall skill, and average to below average physicality depending on the night. I would prefer someone who sticks to a plan regardless of what some dumbass on sportsnet whines about in between periods.

 

[ACC1224]

The real problem obviously was Shanahan hiring Dubas. Makes you wonder how many headshots he took while playing?

 

[rumman]

It's so clear. He wants a puppet and he got it.

Come to think of it Boy Wonder does resemble Pinocchio………

 

[rumman]

The real problem obviously was Shanahan hiring Dubas. Makes you wonder how many headshots he took while playing?

as a former union worker I can relate to how Shanahan has change since he had to lace em up, it’s no different then when you see a brother come off the tools and go into management, it takes but a week for them to forget how the jobs done and start coming up with stupid ideas to screw up a perfectly good way of doing the job……….

 

[CelticDruid]

If you hate the Leafs, then why follow the team and watch their games?

Leafs management makes their fair share of mistakes in every season, but surely everything they do isn't all bad?

Wouldn't it be more fun to pile on the Bruins or the Habs than to have a never-ending civil war in Leafs' Nation? I don't understand the need to be for one manager and against another -- or against them all for that matter.

Apparently, when the Leafs lose for 50+ years that's all the current managers' fault, but when they win for seven it's not to their credit -- for whatever marginal success they have had, which is at least enought to build on.

..

If you hate the Leafs, then why follow the team and watch their games?

Leafs management makes their fair share of mistakes in every season, but surely everything they do isn't all bad?

Wouldn't it be more fun to pile on the Bruins or the Habs than to have a never-ending civil war in Leafs' Nation? I don't understand the need to be for one manager and against another -- or against them all for that matter.

Apparently, when the Leafs lose for 50+ years that's all the current managers' fault, but when they win for seven it's not to their credit -- for whatever marginal success they have had, which is at least enought to build on.

Lovely story. I believe I've read this book before, almost word for word.

Tough sledding.

 

[Jojalu]

There at least seems to be some evidence that Shanny is part of the problem.

"IF" reports are true that Dubas wanted to break up the core and Shanny said no ( which seem to be true based on they just resigned Matthews and all reports indicate resigning Nylander) then Shanahan has to take responsibility.

Dubas left for more autonomy and Shanny is still signing off on the Leafs players getting paid more than just about any other team.

 

[ToneDog]

There at least seems to be some evidence that Shanny is part of the problem.

"IF" reports are true that Dubas wanted to break up the core and Shanny said no ( which seem to be true based on they just resigned Matthews and all reports indicate resigning Nylander) then Shanahan has to take responsibility.

Dubas left for more autonomy and Shanny is still signing off on the Leafs players getting paid more than just about any other team.

Dubas left for more money and autonomy when he could not get it here. And for that Kyle, a million thanks.

 

[Buds17]

There at least seems to be some evidence that Shanny is part of the problem.

"IF" reports are true that Dubas wanted to break up the core and Shanny said no ( which seem to be true based on they just resigned Matthews and all reports indicate resigning Nylander) then Shanahan has to take responsibility.

Dubas left for more autonomy and Shanny is still signing off on the Leafs players getting paid more than just about any other team.

I think it's potentially fair to look at Shanahan if one is not fully enthused with any of the players which comprise the core. A team wishing to establish any kind of precedent for contracts really has to enforce that during the RFA deals though and not once the players begin to have an increased amount of leverage.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan still promises the Stanley Cup​

SIMMONS: At his lowest point, Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan still promises the Stanley Cup

Brendan Shanahan came to Toronto to bring the Stanley Cup to his home town.

torontosun.com

“When I came here, I was tasked with rebuilding the organization and bringing a Stanley Cup to Toronto... We are going to do this. We are going to get this done".

If Pinnochio says his nose will grow what will happen?

Will his nose grow?

Shanahan's a liar. As a fan the only thing I care about is if this team is a contender. And right now it's not.

The whole "we will get this done" thing is a joke.

He's not the right guy for the job. A monkey with missing chromosomes could have done better. Just because you weaseled your way into a top position doesn't mean you're qualified for it.

The fact the franchise is in a better position now than before Shanahan rolled into town is irrelevant.

I don't want a better team. I want a contending team. That's what Shanahan promised.

Pinnochio said “This sentence is a lie" and his nose instantly exploded.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

There at least seems to be some evidence that Shanny is part of the problem.

"IF" reports are true that Dubas wanted to break up the core and Shanny said no ( which seem to be true based on they just resigned Matthews and all reports indicate resigning Nylander) then Shanahan has to take responsibility.

Dubas left for more autonomy and Shanny is still signing off on the Leafs players getting paid more than just about any other team.

Sounds about right. That's why with Shanny we prioritize stars and Dubas would rather fill up the space with a bunch of money puckers (Hyman anyone?).

I'd take my chances with shanny. That over the top presentation for Tavares was lead by Shanny and Shanny liked Nylander the most in his draft year. Nylander is a player our staff usually skips

With Dubas gone we finally make real depth signings like Bertuzzi

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Sounds about right. That's why with Shanny we prioritize stars and Dubas would rather fill up the space with a bunch of money puckers (Hyman anyone?).

I'd take my chances with shanny. That over the top presentation for Tavares was lead by Shanny and Shanny liked Nylander the most in his draft year. Nylander is a player our staff usually skips

With Dubas gone we finally make real depth signings like Bertuzzi

Preach Hoglund