Fire Lindy and Green, Now

[Devils Army]

The media pressure line has spread like wildfire on social media. This might finally light the fuse that blows up in his face. A self own as the final straw would be a chef kiss moment.

Lindys incompetence has gone national. Good news for us.

 

[guitarguyvic]

What do want them to do?

Fire the coach and take months to implement a new system? Season is in turmoil with or without a change.

Get a goalie to play behind our ineffective defense?

Sit the young defenders and replace them with journeymen Ben Lovejoy types?

Trade one of our premier players?

What could they realistically do?

They need to fire Ruff, even if it doesn't change anything this season a message of accountability needs to be sent.

I don't expect it to happen because the behavior from not just the coach but the GM has been the exact opposite of accountability.

 

[Unknown Caller]

What do want them to do?

Fire the coach and take months to implement a new system? Season is in turmoil with or without a change.

Get a goalie to play behind our ineffective defense?

Sit the young defenders and replace them with journeymen Ben Lovejoy types?

Trade one of our premier players?

What could they realistically do?

Pay the price to get a goalie and fire the coach.

A little late to fire the coach at this point though.

 

[devilsblood]

I have not been on the fire lindy train. And truthfully I don’t think this is on him like many do.

But this team is such a mess mentally right now that we need a new leader. If nothing else its a change of a thought process which is clearly not working.

 

[Bleedred]

Pay the price to get a goalie and fire the coach.

A little late to fire the coach at this point though.

I think it’s also a little late to get a goalie, unless he’s signed beyond this year.

Especially with Rogalski still the goalie coach. He really should have been fired a month or two ago.

 

[devilsblood]

What do want them to do?

Fire the coach and take months to implement a new system? Season is in turmoil with or without a change.

Get a goalie to play behind our ineffective defense?

Sit the young defenders and replace them with journeymen Ben Lovejoy types?

Trade one of our premier players?

What could they realistically do?

You are right that if this , or acquiring a goalie, was going to be done it should have been done a couple months ago.

But the last 2 games are wheels off the wagon games. Detrimental to the process.

 

[Unknown Caller]

I think it’s also a little late to get a goalie, unless he’s signed beyond this year.

Especially with Rogalski still the goalie coach. He really should have been fired a month or two ago.

Any goalie they trade for will be signed beyond this year. They aren't going to trade for a rental.

 

[Camille the Eel]

Make the change in the off season. I don’t see any good coming from firing coaches now.

I expect the team to circle the wagons and rally now actually. I wager we win the next 2 or 3 and go on a little run now. I think last night wakes them up. Just a hunch.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Make the change in the off season. I don’t see any good coming from firing coaches now.

I expect the team to circle the wagons and rally now actually. I wager we win the next 2 or 3 and go on a little run now. I think last night wakes them up. Just a hunch.

I too like to fantasize about things that are highly unlikely to happen.

 

[GameSeven]

This is actually a great video breakdown (starting around the 18 minute mark)

Good video. The "one and done" commentary is worth noting. It's been my biggest frustration watching this team, but I didn't have the stat to back it up. Last in the league on puck retrievals over this miserable stretch. Watching this team kill their own attack by sailing shots wide and out of the zone and failure to win pucks in the offensive zone is miserable and it's hard to see how they fix the problem without changing culture or personnel, or maybe both.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

What do want them to do?

Fire the coach and take months to implement a new system? Season is in turmoil with or without a change.

Get a goalie to play behind our ineffective defense?

Sit the young defenders and replace them with journeymen Ben Lovejoy types?

Trade one of our premier players?

What could they realistically do?

Start fresh with the new coach to get players prepared for next season rather than having take until Thanksgiving to turn that corner and settle in. Do everything to have things in place for October of this year rather than use up runway trying to adjust.

And the moment the extension was announced I was pissed because in my gut I knew this was gonna be the result. A step back not forward despite all the good things that happened last season. He was the transitional coach, not the future coach. Time to graduate from high school college prep teacher to the university professor who unlocks the possibilities, not just legitimizes the potential.

 

[McDuffz88]

What do want them to do?

Fire the coach and take months to implement a new system? Season is in turmoil with or without a change.

Get a goalie to play behind our ineffective defense?

Sit the young defenders and replace them with journeymen Ben Lovejoy types?

Trade one of our premier players?

What could they realistically do?

Yes fire the coach. That's what you do. You set the tone that we aren't messing around & that people are held accountable. This season is done regardless. So we fire the coach & see what we have on our roster. See who's deadweight and who isn't. We need a fresh voice. What we are doing now isn't working and sitting in this fire is only hurting the team and fans.

Make the change in the off season. I don’t see any good coming from firing coaches now.

I expect the team to circle the wagons and rally now actually. I wager we win the next 2 or 3 and go on a little run now. I think last night wakes them up. Just a hunch.

Yeah that woke them up. Bastian probably can't even sleep with the amount of pain his broken face is in. We aren't going on no run. This team from the management down to the players are a bunch of cucks.

 

[JimEIV]

Start fresh with the new coach to get players prepared for next season rather than having take until Thanksgiving to turn that corner and settle in. Do everything to have things in place for October of this year rather than use up runway trying to adjust.

And the moment the extension was announced I was pissed because in my gut I knew this was gonna be the result. A step back not forward despite all the good things that happened last season. He was the transitional coach, not the future coach. Time to graduate from high school college prep teacher to the university professor who unlocks the possibilities, not just legitimizes the potential.

I definitely agree he was a transitional coach. He was there to get the young players up to speed and acclimated to the league. I think he did a great job with Jack and Bratt...

But I'm not sure that transition is complete. It certainly isn't with the defense.

I kind of feel that many of us think this team is further ahead than it really is from the flash of success we saw last year.

 

[JrFischer54]

if you want ruff gone sooner then later then hope for them to trade for a goalie now. wait til the summer to get that goalie and ruff i think starts the season healthy roster new goalie.

 

[guitarguyvic]

I definitely agree he was a transitional coach. He was there to get the young players up to speed and acclimated to the league. I think he did a great job with Jack and Bratt...

But I'm sure that transition is complete. It certainly isn't with the defense.

I kind of feel that many of us think this team is further ahead than it really is from the flash of success we saw last year.

You're really hung up on this idea that we need a coach specifically to complete the transition.

We have two rookies on D. Both have a ton of potential, but one of them is already good enough to be playing regularly in the top 4. The other needs more babysitting. A competent coach who isn't a dinosaur should be able to balance that with a win now approach just fine.

 

[forceten]

I miss John McMullen.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

I definitely agree he was a transitional coach. He was there to get the young players up to speed and acclimated to the league. I think he did a great job with Jack and Bratt...

But I'm sure that transition is complete. It certainly isn't with the defense.

Yes mistakes were made with the D but not just the roster makeup, the deployment. I know the big gaping hole left by Hamilton is probably over half that formula for failure but man Lindy's breakout scheme combined with the pairings certainly spelled disaster and made what should be algebra into 2nd derivative calculus. Not something easy for freshman and sophomores to execute out of muscle memory. It caused pauses and confusion which led to disaster time and time again.

Mistakes seemed to occur at almost every level this year and they didn't just happen alone and isolated, they multiplied. Last night's game started off with a golden opportunity and holy cow one mistake led to a dozen. That's a weak mentality across the board and symptomatic of things beyond execution and experience.

That screams spring cleaning time to me. Everything out of the garage and into the driveway. Time to toss some shit and even some things you really might have enjoyed and wanted to keep. Deep cleaning not just taking the leaf blower to the middle but getting those leaves and crud out of the corners.

And the transition refers to the team's point in the rebuild. Ready to take the step from under construction to grand opening and ready for business. Maybe not cup contenders yet but that certainly should have been in the 3 year plan based on last year no?

 

[My3Sons]

I definitely agree he was a transitional coach. He was there to get the young players up to speed and acclimated to the league. I think he did a great job with Jack and Bratt...

But I'm sure that transition is complete. It certainly isn't with the defense.

I kind of feel that many of us think this team is further ahead than it really is from the flash of success we saw last year.

Again I agree with you but there might be some nuance. A simpler system would help the young defenders.

 

[NjDevsRR]

I want Dineen and Brylin as interim because they will get this team playing the basics again. Emphasis on protecting the puck. Winning battles. Reducing giveaways, etc.

And I think they will actually play Timo at RW

 

[indfin]

I half-wonder if the issue is with ownership. If Fitz fires Lindy then I'm not sure he'll be able to find a coach that will agree to the bizarre power structure that Harris insists on. They took a LONG time to remove the interim tag off Fitz and a lot of insiders at the time said that our ownership situation was not normal. They're hands-on in all the annoying and unimportant ways and hands-off in the ways that actually matter. They want daily reports, minority owners all have a say in operations.

I say this as someone whose time at Penn overlapped with each of the primary owners, and who has a son working in private equity.

-- People who are very successfully in one area tend to think they are experts in all areas
-- People who are absurdly rich (self-made of Trust fund kds) tend to think they have important insights into ... everything
-- People who tick both of the above boxes are exponentially worse
-- PE guys may be the worst of the worst of those who tick the first two boxes

PE destroys much of what it touches ... looking forward to them doing to childcare what they have done to health care.

 

[Puckclektr]

under Lou we had a "play for crest on the front, not the name on the back", yet nowadays Luke Hughes is allowed to do whatever he wants becaause of the name on the back and that he is Jacks brother. Imagine if Holtz was Jacks brother. He would probably finish the year with about 65 points.
I understand being a creative player you also create more turnovers, but whateve happened to letting a young defenseman develop and learn the game. Not even a game in the press box. It used to drive me crazy that McLeod was almost never given any opportunity, and the exact same thing is being done to Holtz.
IMO we have a great future in Luke. He'll put on some size and become a top pairing defenseman.
When Dougie went down, i understood the need for Luke on the PP. It started out well, but it isn't working.
Sit him for a couple of games. Send him down for a while. If we need to pick up a bottom pairing defenseman for a 7th, so be it.
For the record, I am not balming this on Luke. There are culpabilites that are endless right from the play of many players, to coaching, to management to injuries.

 

[Devils Army]

Yes, puck retrievals are awful. Especially on the PP. We rarely reload after a shot its almost always a clear after we shoot. Maybe part of the reason we're so reluctant to let it fly.

 

[GameSeven]

I definitely agree he was a transitional coach. He was there to get the young players up to speed and acclimated to the league. I think he did a great job with Jack and Bratt...

But I'm not sure that transition is complete. It certainly isn't with the defense.

I kind of feel that many of us think this team is further ahead than it really is from the flash of success we saw last year.

Then we need a new transitional coach, but the team has only seemed to regress on defense.

Crap, the "revamped" defensive strategy arrived in like game 50, and the last two games looked like "same old, same old".

 

[guitarguyvic]

I say this as someone whose time at Penn overlapped with each of the primary owners, and who has a son working in private equity.

-- People who are very successfully in one area tend to think they are experts in all areas
-- People who are absurdly rich (self-made of Trust fund kds) tend to think they have important insights into ... everything
-- People who tick both of the above boxes are exponentially worse
-- PE guys may be the worst of the worst of those who tick the first two boxes

PE destroys much of what it touches ... looking forward to them doing to childcare what they have done to health care.

What is PE?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

under Lou we had a "play for crest on the front, not the name on the back", yet nowadays Luke Hughes is allowed to do whatever he wants becaause of the name on the back and that he is Jacks brother. Imagine if Holtz was Jacks brother. He would probably finish the year with about 65 points.
I understand being a creative player you also create more turnovers, but whateve happened to letting a young defenseman develop and learn the game. Not even a game in the press box. It used to drive me crazy that McLeod was almost never given any opportunity, and the exact same thing is being done to Holtz.
IMO we have a great future in Luke. He'll put on some size and become a top pairing defenseman.
When Dougie went down, i understood the need for Luke on the PP. It started out well, but it isn't working.
Sit him for a couple of games. Send him down for a while. If we need to pick up a bottom pairing defenseman for a 7th, so be it.
For the record, I am not balming this on Luke. There are culpabilites that are endless right from the play of many players, to coaching, to management to injuries.

I am fine with Luke coming off PP1 or even sitting for a game, but he is never (nor should he) gonna be sent to the AHL.