Wasn’t me so bitch to someone else.
well…time to put this entire goddam thread on ignore.
Fire Ken Holland: 2022-2023 edition
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Wasn’t me so bitch to someone else.
well…time to put this entire goddam thread on ignore.
Oh yah I know. Apologies. I was responding to your comment and then had the other thought that the thread doesn’t need to be bumped after every win/loss. That part was unrelated to your post.
Well... season over.
Goaltending that can't make a save
Defense that can't defend
A forward group that can't piss a drop outside of McDavid or Draisaitl
Entirely unpredictable
Goaltending that can't make a save
Defense that can't defend
A forward group that can't piss a drop outside of McDavid or Draisaitl
Entirely unpredictable
KeithIsActuallyBad
SPEEN!
I said Holland could keep his job if the team made it to the second round.
I stand by that, but this team isn’t good enough.
I stand by that, but this team isn’t good enough.
Beerfish
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If this team is not good enough and seeing the actual teams remaining then it is time to blow it up.
The team has two great players, a host of what should be good depth scoring.
Supposedly a much improved defense
Worst in the playoffs goaltender, by a LOT.
Oilers had just by statistics, the worst "starter" in the regular season.
And then the worst starter for teams by the 2nd round of the playoffs.
There has to be some accountability for that from management.
VD + Broberg were a trainwreck in the playoffs overall, they brought nothing but mistakes and when they were good they were like "replacement level trade deadline player" good.
And then the worst starter for teams by the 2nd round of the playoffs.
There has to be some accountability for that from management.
VD + Broberg were a trainwreck in the playoffs overall, they brought nothing but mistakes and when they were good they were like "replacement level trade deadline player" good.
Kasper92
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I'm skipping the PG threads after the Oilers loss to jump to the topic of management which is all that matters. Wings fans were saying after 2012 (Lidstrom retirement) that Holland was showing signs of early onset dementia and I believe he's only declined since then. One might argue "Oh that was a descent signing" or whatever but the possibilities are tremendous, you want the most lucid minds managing even the smallest details. Holland is a legend but he has to step away if McDavid and the Oil are to achieve an honest chance at the Stanley Cup.
Jumptheshark
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Killer Z
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It’s been some time since I’ve posted anything on this forum, but thought to weigh in on this thread.
If Holland should be fired, so should the other GMs in the league who saw their team exit in the first two rounds.
The man managed to bring back nearly everyone this past offseason (when most thought it impossible), and bolstered our team at the deadline.
Our rookie goalie was decent during the season, but played poorly in the playoffs.
We all would have bet money on RNH/Hyman/Kane scoring a combined 1.5 goals per game (at minimum), rather than what they produced. Especially after the regular season that RNH/Hyman had.
Not sure you can entirely fault a GM for players going cold at the wrong time.
Just my $0.02. Flame away.
If Holland should be fired, so should the other GMs in the league who saw their team exit in the first two rounds.
The man managed to bring back nearly everyone this past offseason (when most thought it impossible), and bolstered our team at the deadline.
Our rookie goalie was decent during the season, but played poorly in the playoffs.
We all would have bet money on RNH/Hyman/Kane scoring a combined 1.5 goals per game (at minimum), rather than what they produced. Especially after the regular season that RNH/Hyman had.
Not sure you can entirely fault a GM for players going cold at the wrong time.
Just my $0.02. Flame away.
CantHaveTkachev
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Holland's fault Draisaitl had 1 assist and a -7 in the last 4 games
Holland's fault Skinner stunk and Woody refused to try Campbell
get real
KeithIsActuallyBad
SPEEN!
CantHaveTkachev
Cap Space > NHL players
the same defense and forwards that got to the Conference final last year? except better with Bjugstad and Ekholm?
KeithIsActuallyBad
SPEEN!
As time goes on it's pretty clear that McDavid and Draisatl were the reasons we got that far.
That and Markstrom melting into a puddle.
About half of the forwards just completely vanished off the face of the earth and our most expensive d-man was very average... when he actually played.
CantHaveTkachev
Cap Space > NHL players
again not Holland's fault
Draisaitl had 1 assist and was a -7 in the final 4 games...I guess he should've saw that coming?
KeithIsActuallyBad
SPEEN!
He brought in Hyman and Kane, retained RNH and Yamamoto... Marchessault outscored every single of them in a single period. Bjugstad got dummied at even strength. Nurse/Ceci were easily our worst pairing.
The roster just isn't good enough, and the problem now is that we have precious little wiggle room to improve it thanks to Holland.
CantHaveTkachev
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yeah, definitely should be fired cause he should have seen that coming....
LTIR
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So you are saying signing Hyman, Nuge and Kane was a bad move? Even Bjugstad at 300K or whatever he paid?
Nurse is the only thing I agree with ... He needs to get swimming on ice out of his game. Nurse is worse than Kulak who was a great signing by Holland.
KeithIsActuallyBad
SPEEN!
Hyman's always been an up and down player and he was permanently down once the playoffs started. Nuge completely vanished. Kane at least has the injury excuse but I wasn't too keen on his play pre-injury.
I mean in regards to Nurse he definitely should've seen some regression coming.yeah, definitely should be fired cause he should have seen that coming....
LTIR
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Actual teams remaining aren't any better than Oilers..
Panthers , Canes, Kraken, Stars , Vegas..
Blowing it up would accomplish what?
Campbell just needs a better season and the rookies just need to take another step.
Upgrade on Ceci would be a big bonus.
Beerfish
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By definition they are all better since we are out.
Ceci was a darling, steal of a player one year ago.
Our rookies have low upside.
LTIR
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Hyman had 10 points in playoffs, 7 against Vegas.
Nuge was invisible at ES but also had 7pts vs Vegas..
I don't think one can blame Holland for what he did with the forward group.
Defense and goaltending is another story
So we should blow up and be more like Kraken? Panthers?
The argument isn't who is better...it is what blowing up would accomplish..
I think we go with a similar team next season and blow up the core after next playoffs.. blowing up means trading Nurse/Draisaitl and others not named McDavid to see if we can win with a different looking team.
FlameChampion
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I liked the Ekholm and Bjugstad trade from Holland.
I think not upgrading on Ceci and Yamamoto hurt the team. After Ekholm trade, I would of just liked to see a bit more from Holland. Thats really my only complaint from him during the season. That being said, dumping Yamamoto after his year would of been difficult at the trade deadline. And there wasnt a RD that got traded that would of moved the needle much.
Campbell experiment didnt work though - which looks bad on management. After watching him this season, I wonder which pro scout or assistant GM's idea was to go with Campbell. While I dont think Campbell is likely as bad as he shows, when I watch him, I dont think hes a goalie that was a good fit here. I do think all of the UFA goalies had some risk to them, but if were being honest ... signing Campbell was a bad decision. That being said, I wish we would of went with him in Game 3 in Vegas series to at least give him a opportunity to bounce back. Questionable coaching/management decision.
I think not upgrading on Ceci and Yamamoto hurt the team. After Ekholm trade, I would of just liked to see a bit more from Holland. Thats really my only complaint from him during the season. That being said, dumping Yamamoto after his year would of been difficult at the trade deadline. And there wasnt a RD that got traded that would of moved the needle much.
Campbell experiment didnt work though - which looks bad on management. After watching him this season, I wonder which pro scout or assistant GM's idea was to go with Campbell. While I dont think Campbell is likely as bad as he shows, when I watch him, I dont think hes a goalie that was a good fit here. I do think all of the UFA goalies had some risk to them, but if were being honest ... signing Campbell was a bad decision. That being said, I wish we would of went with him in Game 3 in Vegas series to at least give him a opportunity to bounce back. Questionable coaching/management decision.
Even if you like the kostin bjugstad trades you should be very worried about the contract Ken will write them. He sucks at getting value for players and always over pays.
What does "blowing it up" even mean in this context?
Who blows up a top-10 team anyway?
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