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I hate Holland as much as anyone on this board but it's ridiculous to pin these losses on anyone besides the refs. Management has made a lot of mistakes but the team on the ice is playing better than the Kings and better on paper roster wise. But the Oilers have to play every game 5v9. Unlucky.
 
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Trafalgar Sadge Law said:
I hate Holland as much as anyone on this board but it's ridiculous to pin these losses on anyone besides the refs. Management has made a lot of mistakes but the team on the ice is playing better than the Kings and better on paper roster wise. But the Oilers have to play every game 5v9. Unlucky.
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It's fair to be upset about the reffing in the NHL playoffs but it's not fair to blame them for any loss. Every team is aware the reffing is bad and its incumbent upon them to make sure they don't put the refs in a position to decide a game with a bad call. The Oilers didn't lose because some official didn't see the puck make contact with a high stick, or because a penalty was or wasn't called at some critical moment, the Oilers lost because the Los Angeles depth players contributed and the Oilers depth players didn't. Check the box score.

Who is responsible for the putrid depth of the Edmonton Oilers? Who is responsible for a 3rd and 4th line that would look sketchy on an ECHL club? Oh yeah, Ken Holland. Maybe he should have traded an asset or two for a player who can contribute on the bottom six. How much do you think a Trevor Moore type player would have cost at the deadline? 4th round pick maybe? With Hollands drafting record, what are the Oilers going to get out of that middle round pick he opted to keep instead of padding the bottom six? Sure, this is the refs fault. :skeptic:
 
Not his fault that Kane had his wrist filleted open and that Hyman has clearly been hurt for some time now. Betting on Yamamoto and Pulju really screwed us to this point, hopefully that problem gets rectified in the offseason.
 
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FiveHoleo said:
It's fair to be upset about the reffing in the NHL playoffs but it's not fair to blame them for any loss. Every team is aware the reffing is bad and its incumbent upon them to make sure they don't put the refs in a position to decide a game with a bad call. The Oilers didn't lose because some official didn't see the puck make contact with a high stick, or because a penalty was or wasn't called at some critical moment, the Oilers lost because the Los Angeles depth players contributed and the Oilers depth players didn't. Check the box score.

Who is responsible for the putrid depth of the Edmonton Oilers? Who is responsible for a 3rd and 4th line that would look sketchy on an ECHL club? Oh yeah, Ken Holland. Maybe he should have traded an asset or two for a player who can contribute on the bottom six. How much do you think a Trevor Moore type player would have cost at the deadline? 4th round pick maybe? With Hollands drafting record, what are the Oilers going to get out of that middle round pick he opted to keep instead of padding the bottom six? Sure, this is the refs fault. :skeptic:
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Actually think the Oilers bottom 6 if finally a pretty decent unit, and as a group, have played pretty well so far. Certainly not their fault. Look over at some of the higher priced talent if you want to find someone to put blame on. And Trevor Moore scored his FIRST goal of these playoffs so far. Other than that, he really hasn't done a whole lot.
 
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FiveHoleo said:
It's fair to be upset about the reffing in the NHL playoffs but it's not fair to blame them for any loss. Every team is aware the reffing is bad and its incumbent upon them to make sure they don't put the refs in a position to decide a game with a bad call. The Oilers didn't lose because some official didn't see the puck make contact with a high stick, or because a penalty was or wasn't called at some critical moment, the Oilers lost because the Los Angeles depth players contributed and the Oilers depth players didn't. Check the box score.

Who is responsible for the putrid depth of the Edmonton Oilers? Who is responsible for a 3rd and 4th line that would look sketchy on an ECHL club? Oh yeah, Ken Holland. Maybe he should have traded an asset or two for a player who can contribute on the bottom six. How much do you think a Trevor Moore type player would have cost at the deadline? 4th round pick maybe? With Hollands drafting record, what are the Oilers going to get out of that middle round pick he opted to keep instead of padding the bottom six? Sure, this is the refs fault. :skeptic:
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Trust me I have no love for Holland, but our bottom 6 while worse than LA's is still contributing (see: Ryan/Kostin game 2). The problem is Danault is literally allowed to sit ON McDavid for 10 seconds without a penalty whereas a weak lovetap from someone like Ekholm is a penalty? Game 1 Foegele gets taken down in a far more egregious fashion 30 seconds before Desharnais' penalty but no call.
 
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Not his fault that Kane had his wrist filleted open and that Hyman has clearly been hurt for some time now. Betting on Yamamoto and Pulju really screwed us to this point, hopefully that problem gets rectified in the offseason.
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Yammamoto is a waste of a jersey and roster spot. He doesn't play in the top six on 20 other teams but he is here on a cup contender?
 
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Trafalgar Sadge Law said:
Trust me I have no love for Holland, but our bottom 6 while worse than LA's is still contributing (see: Ryan/Kostin game 2). The problem is Danault is literally allowed to sit ON McDavid for 10 seconds without a penalty whereas a weak lovetap from someone like Ekholm is a penalty? Game 1 Foegele gets taken down in a far more egregious fashion 30 seconds before Desharnais' penalty but no call.
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It's tough to accept, but blaming the refs is something you do because you aren't good enough to win, and it's a poor excuse. There isn't a team in the playoffs that doesn't have a beef about some crappy call. Every team deals with it, every single one. A GM's job is to put a team on the ice that can survive 4 rounds of the NHL playoffs and that includes horrible reffing. The Avalanche won last year because they were so good it didn't matter when some ref would screw them with a ticky tack call on Kadri for sneezing after the whistle. If Holland did his job and put an actual team around McDavid he doesn't score 2 power play goals in a loss that is somehow the refs fault. :teach2:
 
Stoneman89 said:
Actually think the Oilers bottom 6 if finally a pretty decent unit, and as a group, have played pretty well so far. Certainly not their fault. Look over at some of the higher priced talent if you want to find someone to put blame on. And Trevor Moore scored his FIRST goal of these playoffs so far. Other than that, he really hasn't done a whole lot.
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Yes its definitely the high priced talent that hasn't been getting it done.

WRT Yamamoto being ineffective on the 1st line (as per some other posts here on this thread), that's on the coaching staff and not on Holland.

Holland hasn't dictated that Yams play on the first line. There are other guys like Kostin or Ryan who haven't played badly in this series and wouldn't look any more out of place on the top line as compared to Yams. And I think that both of those guys have better shots than he does.

If the Oilers do lose this series then some high priced veterans are going to have to look in the mirror and not bother complaining about Holland putting the right team together.

I like Woodcroft as a coach but when it comes to this Yams thing he has been incredibly stubborn.
 
FiveHoleo said:
It's tough to accept, but blaming the refs is something you do because you aren't good enough to win, and it's a poor excuse. There isn't a team in the playoffs that doesn't have a beef about some crappy call. Every team deals with it, every single one. A GM's job is to put a team on the ice that can survive 4 rounds of the NHL playoffs and that includes horrible reffing. The Avalanche won last year because they were so good it didn't matter when some ref would screw them with a ticky tack call on Kadri for sneezing after the whistle. If Holland did his job and put an actual team around McDavid he doesn't score 2 power play goals in a loss that is somehow the refs fault. :teach2:
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Again, you'll never catch me calling Holland a good GM, I think he's pissed away a lot of assets like the AA trade and taking on the Keith cap dump and has had some mind bogglingly bad contracts like the Campbell deal, assets and cap space that a more proficient GM would've been able to leverage into a better roster. But even with a better roster, the calls would still be grossly in favour of the Kings and we'd probably be down 2-1 anyway.
 
How did I know the fools on this thread would be out in force again after the Oilers dropped a game or two?

The club had made the playoffs four straight years. They nearly ended a 37-year drought in first-place finishes this season. They have a great coach and a talent-laden line-up. It's currently been 18 games since the Oilers lost in regulation.

Fire Holland and bring back Peter Chiarelli!!!
 
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The Panther said:
How did I know the fools on this thread would be out in force again after the Oilers dropped a game or two?

The club had made the playoffs four straight years. They nearly ended a 37-year drought in first-place finishes this season. They have a great coach and a talent-laden line-up. It's currently been 18 games since the Oilers lost in regulation.

Fire Holland and bring back Peter Chiarelli!!!
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Don't need Chiarelli... He is a has been... Dallas Eakins should get a shot at GMing.
 
FiveHoleo said:
It's fair to be upset about the reffing in the NHL playoffs but it's not fair to blame them for any loss. Every team is aware the reffing is bad and its incumbent upon them to make sure they don't put the refs in a position to decide a game with a bad call. The Oilers didn't lose because some official didn't see the puck make contact with a high stick, or because a penalty was or wasn't called at some critical moment, the Oilers lost because the Los Angeles depth players contributed and the Oilers depth players didn't. Check the box score.

Who is responsible for the putrid depth of the Edmonton Oilers? Who is responsible for a 3rd and 4th line that would look sketchy on an ECHL club? Oh yeah, Ken Holland. Maybe he should have traded an asset or two for a player who can contribute on the bottom six. How much do you think a Trevor Moore type player would have cost at the deadline? 4th round pick maybe? With Hollands drafting record, what are the Oilers going to get out of that middle round pick he opted to keep instead of padding the bottom six? Sure, this is the refs fault. :skeptic:
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The 3rd and 4th lines have been great. Dominating possession and scored two 5 on 5 goals and even had an OT game winner called back. It’s the top 6 that has struggled besides Leon.
 
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Cant blame Holland for the on ice performance.

The 4 things I was most worried about are happening. Inconsistent goaltending, terrible reffing, Kings baiting the Oilers into dumb penalties and Woody playing into TMacs game plan. The first two are going to continue to happen, the last 2 are solvable and if so we still win this series.
 
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good props for finding b jug stad. Got slept on just because he was on a bad team.
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Be curious what the situation was there with him.

Teams were scouting Chychrun all season, so one would think teams would've saw him.

Plus he's massive and a right hand shot
 
5 Mins 4 Ftg said:
Cant blame Holland for the on ice performance.

The 4 things I was most worried about are happening. Inconsistent goaltending, terrible reffing, Kings baiting the Oilers into dumb penalties and Woody playing into TMacs game plan. The first two are going to continue to happen, the last 2 are solvable and if so we still win this series.
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I know I am quoting myself but a quick update since this post earlier this week. Goaltending has been better, reffing has been better, Oilers are being more disciplined, Woody rejigged the lines to something TMac cant counter as effectively. Oilers went from being down 2-1 to up 3-2.

Again it is out of Hollands hands now, he of Legendary Patience.
 
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