JustNapalmIt
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Fire Ken Holland: 2022-2023 edition
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"It's up to the players" is something you EARN as a GM when you build a juggernaut roster like Joe Sakic did with the Avs last year, the Tampa leadership did with the previous two Tampa teams before that.
You get that when you've done just about everything right and the roster is rock solid in its construction from just about every angle.
This team maybe still needs McDavid and Draisaitl to be at near superhuman levels to cover up several flaws and sure it's possible they can do that, but I don't think they are at that level where a GM can say "you know my job here is done". Well for one, you're running a rookie goalie because your 5 million UFA no.1 goalie that supposedly was scouted heavily is unplayable. Sorry but that's not a "my job is done here as GM" situation. Yamamoto still in our top 6 when he has no business being in the top 6 of any top team. Still a lot of rawness and inexperience on the blue line, probably more than a Cup contender should really have. Cody Ceci probably really should not be playing in the top 4 of a Cup contender either frankly.
Holland got it right with the Ekholm trade, 100% can give him credit for that, but no this isn't a job done to the point where he deserves to kick his feet up on a desk like Sakic could last year.
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I’m not the one talking about sucking off GMs.
You’ve embarrassed yourself a great deal tonight. Well done.
JustNapalmIt
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I luv this response.You wanted Ekman Larsson & Strome man.Instead of Drai & Nurse.
Is it possible to be more obtuse?
And you luvvvvved Puju!!!
A Savant!!!
It's funny you're so triggered that I refuse to bend the knee to a guy in a suit for not having completed his job that you felt you needed to comb through 60,000 posts and dig one up out of context from 7 years ago as your comeback, lol.
Like that's hilarious.
JustNapalmIt
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Thats about as unsubstantive as it can get. Check out. It aint gong well.
Btw your Puju insight was from about 6 moths go.
My lord, obtuse.
JustNapalmIt
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So you want to play that card? Who signed Jesse Puljujarvi to that contract? Was it me? Or was it the GM you say I'm not allowed to criticize ever? So if that's a bad move it means ... Holland made a mistake?
You realize how dumb some of your points are? Why don't you actually debate the issue presented instead of trying to do stupid "gotcha" tactics.
Doing the whole "you have no right to have that opinion! You're not a pro GM or pro hockey player" ... like give me a break lol. If that was the case on these boards you can't criticize any player ever because no one is an NHL level talent. And for that matter no one in the media can criticize a team or player or management ever either.
Instead of taking discussion into dumb places like that just stick to the actual discussion. You're got triggered I guess by me saying we should have considered moving 1st round picks earlier than McDavid's 8th year. Which I didn't think could trigger someone that hard. You can make a counter point about that and not go back 7 years to something not even remotely related to anything being discussed.
So this is what happens when soundwave has to admit hes wrong...
It's okay my dude, just eat crow and move on.
It's okay my dude, just eat crow and move on.
WaitingForUser
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Yo.
I will acknowledge , the bottom 6 definitely improved as the year went on. Lots of depth scoring for the first time in a long time.
Ekholm was a big addition. He transformed the 2nd pair big time.
Still not sold on the goaltending personally but hopefully Skinner can prove me wrong.
Oh you can serve all the crow you want when Holland delivers a Cup.
I'll gladly eat it, you have my word on that. Got no issues with that.
I will not bend the knee to any GM before that is completed. Don't care who they are. Don't care if Gretzky is GM.
I expect a top team every year McDavid is here and in his prime and I expect a Cup. When that is delivered they can have their roses and you can serve all the crow you want. Not unreasonable.
WaitingForUser
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Did I say he is done? I didn’t see that anywhere. I said he has done the job he was hired for and done it well. If we don’t win this year he will tweak it again that’s how it works. Holland is indisputably our best GM since Slats. He will be here and continue to give us a chance every year he is until he retires.
Well I don't even agree with the best GM since Slats. Until the Oilers are in the Finals, no one gets rated above Lowe as GM as far as I'm concerned. If you're better then your team should be better than that one and Lowe as dumb as he could be did not have the benefit of starting with a player even half as good as Draisaitl let alone McDavid.
I don't even agree that he can rest secure thinking he's here "until he retires", lol. Uh buddy you might first want to upgrade on Yamamoto, Ceci, and figure out how the f*** you're going to fix that Campbell screw up before George Bushing a Mission Accomplished banner behind you.
His track record for 2022(summer)-23 (trade deadline) off-season/in-season moves and graduating picks (taken by him) are
Puljujarvi resigning - Bad
Yamamoto resigning - Bad
Janmark - OK
Kostin - Good move
Kulak resigning - Kinda meh season for him honestly
Campbell - Worst signing of the off-season
Ekholm - Best trade of the trade deadline
Bjugstad - Pretty good trade (I suggested this one ages ago here)
Kane resigning - I mean good but hard to judge this because of the freakishness of his injuries
Broberg rookie season - Kinda dissapointing, some good signs yes but I don't think up to expectation
Holloway rookie season - Well that Calder talk died down fast, lets just put it that way. Good AHL numbers of late tho.
I mean there's good there, but there's some dog shit in there too. Generally for me, "it's up to the players now" is when the GM has done just about everything they possibly can, hit it out of the park with their graduating draft picks, etc. not "well almost half my moves were sorta shit".
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You're either confused, trolling or just thinking you are right when it's so clear you are not.
Wow.
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This thread and the "Fire Woody" thread sure didnt age well.
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There is nothing more embarrassing, not even close, than the “looking at my posting history, I would have made a better GM” take. Nothing is even close to being more cringeworthy. Absolutely nothing.
Add to that the “I’m not sucking off the GM” take and it’s just borderline in readable. It’s so incredibly embarrassing shitposting.
Add to that the “I’m not sucking off the GM” take and it’s just borderline in readable. It’s so incredibly embarrassing shitposting.
WaitingForUser
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Do I need to remind you that Klowe also made some of the worst moves in Oilers history as well? Yeah he was dynamite the first year out of the lockout and that deadline was amazing. But let’s examine his moves after and before that shalt we.
Comrie fiasco comes to mind right away. We would have had Corey Perry for Comrie had Lowe not been a sore loser over a 2 million dollar bonus Comrie earned on the last day of the season. He demanded Comrie pay that bonus back or he wouldn’t send him to the ducks. Comrie refused and Lowe traded him for Jiri Fn Dopita. How about chasing Heatley for half a summer before finally worrying about the rest of your team. Then doing the same with Hossa before losing a great player to a rival team because you don’t take the time to sign your own guy first. (cough Glencross). Or trading your best face off man and best overall defender for an offensive Dman that was days away from a no trade kicking in and was disgruntled his entire time here because of it. How about single handedly driving the price of RfA extensions through the roof by offer sheeting Vanek? If that’s the second best GM since slats you could have fooled me. And I was a Lowe supporter for the most part.
He's a hot head for sure, just as he was as a player. Lauren Pronger forcing Chris to ask for a trade out broke Kevin Lowe I think, but he still made some decent moves after that (not always great but it felt like we constantly had some good D coming in).
But ask yourself this also ... how many GMs could start with Ryan Smyth as their best player coming out of the lock out and then in one year build a team that's in game 7 of a Cup Final?
No offence to Holland but I doubt he could have matched that.
If he had McDavid and Draisaitl to work with and locked in and commited when he was GM does Lowe win a Cup as GM? Probably yes, I think. He would have made the big moves needed on D because he was willing to make big moves.
WaitingForUser
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And Holland has been shown to be willing to make those big moves as well. Ekholm and AA are proof of that. All I’m saying is to actually continue to want KH fired is absurd at this point and I think you realize that. And yea Pronger broke his brain which is why he went after so many D men and sacrificed all the depth that got him in position to make the trades that deadline to begin with.
Season starts on Monday as far as I'm concerned as far as what the management here gets rated as and what future they have here.
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That team had a Hall of Fame Dman on the defence. That team wouldn’t have won round 1 no matter how many moves Lowe made
I’m not sure what the point is though, the great player that Lowe acquired helped them win in the playoffs is a knock on Lowe? Add in his acquisition of Peca, Roloson, and Samsonov and he got the team within one game (and one slip by MAB) from the cup. His work in 06 was masterful, the rest, not so much.
As for Holland, the Elkholm trade could rewrite his timeline here, before that the Oilers may have fought for a wildcard spot.
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How many times has any team had every player in their bottom six score 10+ goals over the season?
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