Fire Ken Holland: 2022-2023 edition

[Soundwave]

Good night, everyone. Nothing is going to top this.

Well you tell me, how many times has this board as a general consensus hated a move and it turned out actually the GM was 100% right?

From what I can tell the Koskinen extension was also hated here (was that correct or not?)

Brandon Manning trade was loudly hated here (correct or not?)

Hall for Larsson was loudly hated when first announced (first impression is a lot of times the correct one)

Eberle for Strome was fairly hated here (correct or not?)

Athanisou for 2 2nds was mixed (correct or not?) I will admit I was wrong on this one.

Ekholm was well received (correct or not?)

Kane was not well recieved initially as an idea but I put a big asterisk on this because a lot of people were taking things from his personal life into the equation.

Hyman signing generally was well recieved (yes or no?)

Board was very happy to get Puljujarvi. Yes that's true, that's a swing and miss for HFBoards certainly, the hype on this dud was big (as good as Laine my ass, lol).

How many times on this board can you look back at and say "you know ... this board was totally wrong on that trade/pick/signing especially as it relates to the bigger ones.

People are pretty f***ing knowledgeable about their hockey here. This is Edmonton, not Anaheim. Hockey is a religion, not a sport.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

What are you trying to do here? Make yourself relevant? It just seems like your mad because you know you were wrong or are wrong now

That trade you keep quoting is taking grossly out of context because the reports were that he wanted the same 12 million or so that McDavid got. When I seriously want something done, I'm not shy about I'll gladly repeat it, I doubt you can find very many posts where I seriously said Draisaitl should be traded. Nurse? Maybe him, lol. If you want to do the whole "AHA! GOTCHA" thing and make it accurate one of the times I was definitely wrong was Athansiou. I wanted him and he was ass here (granted it was a weird situation with the COVID shutdown). My sense that I got though was he didn't want to be here, hard to predict that.

I've said before I think HFBoards if you took the top 6-7 posters and had them make decisions for the Oilers from 2015 onwards it's certainly not impossible that the team would be better off. As I recall, most of this board wanted Barzal, not Reinhart (correct). Most of this board did not want the Hall for Larsson deal (correct). The board consensus as far as I can tell has been right in the long term more than the GMs here have been.

One of the times board consensus was wrong was people saying no initially to Evander Kane. I was one of the first who said we ought to trade Kassian for Kane and got yelled down on that, this was before he was even linked to the Oilers. But generally I think sure board consensus here is actually smarter than people think.

This whole "NHL GmS aRe SooooooPER smART, faNS doN't kNow ShIT" is inaccurate. There are plenty of times where fans are correct and management is in the wrong.

Absolute disingenuous bs.

 

[Soundwave]

Absolute disingenuous bs.

What specifically?

If I wanted Draisaitl traded believe me there'd be about 50 posts about it, I'm not shy when I want a player gone or want a trade for a better player made.

He was coming off a 77 point season where he hadn't proven he could run his own line and the "word" was his agent was holding out to get money close to McDavid.

f*** that. You gotta be tough in negotiating those contracts, I'll tell Bouchard right now you ain't getting a f***ing dime above Noah Dobson, I don't give one f*** that you looked great with Ekholm. Business is business.

You can't let player agents run your show, if they threaten you, you threaten them back.

 

[Ol' Jase]

Well you tell me, how many times has this board as a general consensus hated a move and it turned out actually the GM was 100% right?

From what I can tell the Koskinen extension was also hated here (was that correct or not?)

Brandon Manning trade was loudly hated here (correct or not?)

Hall for Larsson was loudly hated when first announced (first impression is a lot of times the correct one)

Eberle for Strome was fairly hated here (correct or not?)

Athanisou for 2 2nds was mixed (correct or not?) I will admit I was wrong on this one.

Ekholm was well received (correct or not?)

Kane was not well recieved initially as an idea but I put a big asterisk on this because a lot of people were taking things from his personal life into the equation.

Hyman signing generally was well recieved (yes or no?)

Board was very happy to get Puljujarvi. Yes that's true, that's a swing and miss for HFBoards certainly, the hype on this dud was big (as good as Laine my ass, lol).

How many times on this board can you look back at and say "you know ... this board was totally wrong on that trade/pick/signing especially as it relates to the bigger ones.

People are pretty f***ing knowledgeable about their hockey here. This is Edmonton, not Anaheim. Hockey is a religion, not a sport.

It’s about results, and the results, regardless of what they are in reality, are not good enough for you.

Cool. You do you.

I am very happy with the current results. You’re red-faced angry. Again, you do you.

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

I've said before I think HFBoards if you took the top 6-7 posters and had them make decisions for the Oilers from 2015 onwards it's certainly not impossible that the team would be better off.

Please tell me you're now just trolling the board.

 

[Ol' Jase]

What specifically?

If I wanted Draisaitl traded believe me there'd be about 50 posts about it, I'm not shy when I want a player gone or want a trade for a better player made.

He was coming off a 77 point season where he hadn't proven he could run his own line and the "word" was his agent was holding out to get money close to McDavid.

f*** that. You gotta be tough in negotiating those contracts, I'll tell Bouchard right now you ain't getting a f***ing dime above Noah Dobson, I don't give one f*** that you looked great with Ekholm. Business is business.

You can't let player agents run your show, if they threaten you, you threaten them back.

This is getting laughable, and you’re just making shit up.

The “word” on Draisaitl was other posters making up shit you fell for.

Jesus Christ, we’re now into pathetic territory.

 

[Dooman]

You've become Replacement.....

 

[Soundwave]

It’s about results, and the results, regardless of what they are in reality, are not good enough for you.

Cool. You do you.

I am very happy with the current results. You’re red-faced angry. Again, you do you.

I'm not angry, but I'm not satisfied or feel the need to suck the GM off because they are where they should be.

Now the real season starts, now the real work starts.

If the Oilers have your kind of attitude honestly they'll never win shit. Real champions are not satisfied with token things, they *expect* to be a top regular season team every year. Why wouldn't you? If your attitude is not that, you're not winning shit in pro sports.

People laugh at MacKinnon being psychotic about no carbs in the locker room, but frankly I love that shit. That shows me that mother f***er is serious about actually winning. You need to be at that level, that's who we probably are going to have to play against. That mother f***er is crazy. You want to beat him? It ain't coming with the attitude of being self satisfied.

That is still something as a team we need to be better at, we get too easily satisfied in games and even series' a bit too much. We still do it a few too many times. That LA series should not have gone to 7 games, we are a better team than them (especially with their injuries) and had them reeling down 2-1 with full control and we let them off the mat for no good reason. Lets see if they've matured past that.

This is getting laughable, and you’re just making shit up.

The “word” on Draisaitl was other posters making up shit you fell for.

Jesus Christ, we’re now into pathetic territory.

Tell that dude to post the full thread and full context, he probably won't.

When I am on a player's ass it's not a one post thing, lol. I am not shy about it, there would be many, many posts to pick from, there aren't. If I'm a Draisaitl hater I'd have that reputation, I don't.

I am and largely always have been in the pro-Draisaitl camp even when he dogs it in December I defend him, not because I'm soft on him but at least I understand, you can't play him like a dog like you play McDavid. Dude gets tired, a big chunk of this fanbase doesn't understand that concept. McDavid is a freak of nature, he can play 25 minutes/night and still have gas in the tank, Leon is a mortal. You can't play him like that and then in December be "UR sooo Lazeeeee Dryyyy!". Like we do that every year.

 

[Ol' Jase]

I'm not angry, but I'm not satisfied or feel the need to suck the GM off because they are where they should be.

Now the real season starts, now the real work starts.

If the Oilers have your kind of attitude honestly they'll never win shit. Real champions are not satisfied with token things, they *expect* to be a top regular season team every year. Why wouldn't you? If your attitude is not that, you're not winning shit in pro sports.

People laugh at MacKinnon being psychotic about no carbs in the locker room, but frankly I love that shit. That shows me that mother f***er is serious about actually winning. You need to be at that level, that's who we probably are going to have to play against. That mother f***er is crazy. You want to beat him? It ain't coming with the attitude of being self satisfied.

That is still something as a team we need to be better at, we get too easily satisfied in games and even series' a bit too much. We still do it a few too many times. That LA series should not have gone to 7 games, we are a better team than them (especially with their injuries) and had them reeling down 2-1 with full control and we let them off the mat for no good reason. Lets see if they've matured past that.

My attitude of being content with being an elite team and giving the entire team well deserved credit for an amazing season is sucking off the GM?

Again, you’re not making any sense, and honestly, you’re embarrassing yourself.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

I'm not angry, but I'm not satisfied or feel the need to suck the GM off because they are where they should be.

Now the real season starts, now the real work starts.

If the Oilers have your kind of attitude honestly they'll never win shit. Real champions are not satisfied with token things, they *expect* to be a top regular season team every year. Why wouldn't you? If your attitude is not that, you're not winning shit in pro sports.

People laugh at MacKinnon being psychotic about no carbs in the locker room, but frankly I love that shit. That shows me that mother f***er is serious about actually winning. You need to be at that level, that's who we probably are going to have to play against. That mother f***er is crazy. You want to beat him? It ain't coming with the attitude of being self satisfied.

That is still something as a team we need to be better at, we get too easily satisfied in games and even series' a bit too much. We still do it a few too many times. That LA series should not have gone to 7 games, we are a better team than them (especially with their injuries) and had them reeling down 2-1 with full control and we let them off the mat for no good reason. Lets see if they've matured past that.



Tell that dude to post the full thread and full context, he probably won't.

When I am on a player's ass it's not a one post thing, lol. I am not shy about it, there would be many, many posts to pick from, there aren't. If I'm a Draisaitl hater I'd have that reputation, I don't.

I am and largely always have been in the pro-Draisaitl camp even when he dogs it in December I defend him, not because I'm soft on him but at least I understand, you can't play him like a dog like you play McDavid. Dude gets tired, a big chunk of this fanbase doesn't understand that concept. McDavid is a freak of nature, he can play 25 minutes/night and still have gas in the tank, Leon is a mortal. You can't play him like that and then in December be "UR sooo Lazeeeee Dryyyy!". Like we do that every year.

Yup. The strong man. Who as you say it , was "sucking off" on the Reinhart trade, wwas going to be pumped on a Drai/Nurse trade for Ekman Larsson & Strome, and was wildly pumped about the Puju signing.
Crazy shit.
My lord. wut a trifecta

 

[Soundwave]

My attitude of being content with being an elite team and giving them team well deserved credit for an amazing season is sucking off the GM?

Again, you’re not making any sense, and honestly, you’re embarrassing yourself.

109 points isn't an "amazing" season if you're talking team metrics. Lots of teams get 107-109 points. The Avs got 107 points with a shit ton of injuries and kind of dud season, the Leafs above 109 that with Matthews having a mediocre season, looks like Vegas might hit 109 with Stone missing or hurt for a huge chunk of the year.

McDavid's individual season is amazing, so are the individual efforts of some players, sure I would agree with that. But team wise 109 points ... is a good season, but what I would expect given what McDavid especially did this year to be nothing less than that, probably honestly that is on the lower end of what I'd expect.

Boston's regular season ... that an "amazing" season. Like I guess I don't throw around the term "amazing" that freely, lol. Amazing needs to be well ... amazing.

Yup. The strong man. Who as you say it , was "sucking off" on the Reinhart trade, wwas going to be pumped on a Drai/Nurse trade for Ekman Larsson & Strome, and was wildly pumped about the Puju signing.
Crazy shit.
My lord. wut a trifecta

Why don't you post the full links to those threads?

 

[Ol' Jase]

109 points isn't an "amazing" season if you're talking team metrics. Lots of teams get 107-109 points. The Avs got 107 points with a shit ton of injuries and kind of dud season, the Leafs above 109 that with Matthews having a mediocre season, looks like Vegas might hit 109 with Stone missing or hurt for a huge chunk of the year.

McDavid's individual season is amazing, so are the individual efforts of some players, sure I would agree with that. But team wise 109 points ... is a good season, but what I would expect given what McDavid especially did this year.

Boston's regular season ... that an "amazing" season. Like I guess I don't throw around the term "amazing" that freely, lol. Amazing needs to be well ... amazing.



Why don't you post the full links to those threads?

Good thing for me that I don’t hold a single hockey opinion of yours to be credible then.

You missed a hell of a season. It was awesome.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

I'm not angry, but I'm not satisfied or feel the need to suck the GM off because they are where they should be.

Now the real season starts, now the real work starts.

If the Oilers have your kind of attitude honestly they'll never win shit. Real champions are not satisfied with token things, they *expect* to be a top regular season team every year. Why wouldn't you? If your attitude is not that, you're not winning shit in pro sports.

People laugh at MacKinnon being psychotic about no carbs in the locker room, but frankly I love that shit. That shows me that mother f***er is serious about actually winning. You need to be at that level, that's who we probably are going to have to play against. That mother f***er is crazy. You want to beat him? It ain't coming with the attitude of being self satisfied.

That is still something as a team we need to be better at, we get too easily satisfied in games and even series' a bit too much. We still do it a few too many times. That LA series should not have gone to 7 games, we are a better team than them (especially with their injuries) and had them reeling down 2-1 with full control and we let them off the mat for no good reason. Lets see if they've matured past that.



Tell that dude to post the full thread and full context, he probably won't.

When I am on a player's ass it's not a one post thing, lol. I am not shy about it, there would be many, many posts to pick from, there aren't. If I'm a Draisaitl hater I'd have that reputation, I don't.

I am and largely always have been in the pro-Draisaitl camp even when he dogs it in December I defend him, not because I'm soft on him but at least I understand, you can't play him like a dog like you play McDavid. Dude gets tired, a big chunk of this fanbase doesn't understand that concept. McDavid is a freak of nature, he can play 25 minutes/night and still have gas in the tank, Leon is a mortal. You can't play him like that and then in December be "UR sooo Lazeeeee Dryyyy!". Like we do that every year.

109 points isn't an "amazing" season if you're talking team metrics. Lots of teams get 107-109 points. The Avs got 107 points with a shit ton of injuries and kind of dud season, the Leafs above 109 that with Matthews having a mediocre season, looks like Vegas might hit 109 with Stone missing or hurt for a huge chunk of the year.

McDavid's individual season is amazing, so are the individual efforts of some players, sure I would agree with that. But team wise 109 points ... is a good season, but what I would expect given what McDavid especially did this year to be nothing less than that, probably honestly that is on the lower end of what I'd expect.

Boston's regular season ... that an "amazing" season. Like I guess I don't throw around the term "amazing" that freely, lol. Amazing needs to be well ... amazing.



Why don't you post the full links to those threads?

My lord man. Do your own homework little fella.
Pathetic

 

[Soundwave]

Good thing for me that I don’t hold a single hockey opinion of yours to be credible then.

You missed a hell of a season. It was awesome.

I watched and enjoyed every win. Sorry if it bothers you this much that I'm not kissing the GMs ass, but whatever. If it really triggers some people *that* much, why even come into this thread, lol.

Yes people have high expectations. No that is not weird or not normal. That is how it goes with a generational talent on your roster. Nothing wrong with that.

Look at the Leafs board. Anyone throwing a party over a 111 point regular season? Nope. And it ain't because they're humble. It's because they expect that and that isn't good enough for what they want. Why should we have lower expectations and a lower standard than them?

I have high expectations and I ain't apologizing for it. 107/108/109/110 points should be a normal season for this team if they want to say they are in fact a legit contender.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

109 points isn't an "amazing" season if you're talking team metrics. Lots of teams get 107-109 points. The Avs got 107 points with a shit ton of injuries and kind of dud season, the Leafs above 109 that with



Why don't you post the full links to those threads?

Seriously , an embarrassingly display.
Ive given you link after link.
My lord, do better man.
I get you don't have the nuts to respond , but how ya think oilers would do wit strome and ekman larsson instead of nurse and and drai. With of course Reinhart and Puju,who you luvved.
Just curious.

 

[WaitingForUser]

50 wins second possibly first in the WC.
Best PP in NHL history
Every bottom 6 forward had 10 or more goals
Most SH goals of the season.
3 100 point players
4 straight playoff appearances
1 WC final
Hands down the best TDD acquisition of 2023
Two 80 plus point players signed at 5.1 per

How is this thread not dead and buried already???

 

[Soundwave]

Seriously , an embarrassingly display.
Ive given you link after link.
My lord, do better man.
I get you don't have the nuts to respond , but how ya think oilers would do wit strome and ekman larsson instead of nurse and and drai. With of course Reinhart and Puju,who you luvved.
Just curious.

Which links? You posted one quote from 7 years ago without posting the full thread.

 

[Ol' Jase]

I watched and enjoyed every win. Sorry if it bothers you this much that I'm not kissing the GMs ass, but whatever. If it really triggers some people *that* much, why even come into this thread, lol.

Yes people have high expectations. No that is not weird or not normal. That is how it goes with a generational talent on your roster. Nothing wrong with that.

Look at the Leafs board. Anyone throwing a party over a 111 point regular season? Nope. And it ain't because they're humble. It's because they expect that and that isn't good enough for what they want. Why should we have lower expectations and a lower standard than them?

I have high expectations and I ain't apologizing for it. 107/108/109/110 points should be a normal season for this team if they want to say they are in fact a legit contender.

Your continual references to sucking the GM off or kissing his ass is infantile. You have lost all credibility and are acting like a child.

Again, your opinion means absolutely nothing. Well done.

 

[Soundwave]

50 wins second possibly first in the WC.
Best PP in NHL history
Every bottom 6 forward had 10 or more goals
Most SH goals of the season.
3 100 point players
4 straight playoff appearances
1 WC final
Hands down the best TDD acquisition of 2023
Two 80 plus point players signed at 5.1 per

How is this thread not dead and buried already???

Make the Finals then sure. Not before then.

BTW the 3 100 point players are all inherited so how much credit is the GM going to take for that? We gonna say Mac T was a genius too? He is the reason at the very least McDavid and Draisaitl are here.

Until McDavid lifts a Cup a GM here has not done what they were hired to do.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

Which links? You posted one quote from 7 years ago without posting the full thread.

My lord.
Wut an embarrassment

 

[Soundwave]

Your continual references to sucking the GM off or kissing his ass is infantile. You have lost all credibility and are acting like a child.

Again, your opinion means absolutely nothing. Well done.

Dislikes criticism against Holland

Clicks Fire Holland thread

Gets Upset

Soundwave's fault

lol. Like if you don't like the topic or nature of discussion, it's not terribly hard to not come to the thread.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

Make the Finals then sure. Not before then.

BTW the 3 100 point players are all inherited so how much credit is the GM going to take for that? We gonna say Mac T was a genius too? He is the reason at the very least McDavid and Draisaitl are here.

Until McDavid lifts a Cup a GM here has not done what they were hired to do.

Hard to make the finals without Nurse, Drai who you wanted gone, and with Puju , Strome & Ekman Larsson leading the charge .

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I watched and enjoyed every win. Sorry if it bothers you this much that I'm not kissing the GMs ass, but whatever. If it really triggers some people *that* much, why even come into this thread, lol.

Yes people have high expectations. No that is not weird or not normal. That is how it goes with a generational talent on your roster. Nothing wrong with that.

Look at the Leafs board. Anyone throwing a party over a 111 point regular season? Nope. And it ain't because they're humble. It's because they expect that and that isn't good enough for what they want. Why should we have lower expectations and a lower standard than them?

I have high expectations and I ain't apologizing for it. 107/108/109/110 points should be a normal season for this team if they want to say they are in fact a legit contender.

They had 104 pts last year 109 this year. Went to the WCF last year looking pretty good this year.

You’re just adding more dumb takes to your healing pile from over the years. I’m sure in a few years we’ll all look back at this and have a good laugh at your expense again.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Make the Finals then sure. Not before then.

BTW the 3 100 point players are all inherited so how much credit is the GM going to take for that? We gonna say Mac T was a genius too? He is the reason at the very least McDavid and Draisaitl are here.

Until McDavid lifts a Cup a GM here has not done what they were hired to do.

Holland was hired for one reason and one reason only to keep MCDrai in Edmonton. The direction the team has been going since he was hired has done just that and if they can make the finals or win it all this year the chances of both guys sticking around are high. Holland has done exactly what he was hired to do make sure the oilers have playoff spot and chance at a cup. 4 for 4 now it’s up to the players.

 

[Soundwave]

Hard to make the finals without Nurse, Drai who you wanted gone, and with Puju , Strome & Ekman Larsson leading the charge .

Which one of McDavid, RNH, Draisaitl, or Nurse did Ken Holland draft again?

Are you giving Mac T and Tambellini credit now too for those players?