Mr Kot
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All i heard about him was he doesn't use his size, which is wierd because he does. He's not a giant hitter, if that's what they meant, but he definitely does box people out with his reach and size.
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All i heard about him was he doesn't use his size, which is wierd because he does. He's not a giant hitter, if that's what they meant, but he definitely does box people out with his reach and size.
HockeyGuy1964
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I totally agree that he uses his size effectively.
People always say stuff like that about big guys. They think they should just run around hitting everything because they're, you know, big.
Slats432
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This was a bad take then and still is. Holland has done pretty well, considering he was starting from behind based on what he was left with. Team is better now.
Sheikyerbouti
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Other than Toronto, who went ham, Holland had the most impactful trade deadline
Other than the Campbell contract, Holland consistently stuck gold and was above average in a field of 32 GM's this year. Jannmark, Kostin, Bjugstad and Ekholm were perfect fits and they are having extra success because of it imo, Holland had a great year.
Other than the Campbell contract, Holland consistently stuck gold and was above average in a field of 32 GM's this year. Jannmark, Kostin, Bjugstad and Ekholm were perfect fits and they are having extra success because of it imo, Holland had a great year.
Sheikyerbouti
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But Bouchard's development is Mr Holland's Opus.
It was happening right there before our eyes the entire time and nobody saw it. In fact we moaned about it the entire time lol
Sitting him for a season was panned, Keith was really panned, and then when Bouchard sucked without Keith we turned on Bouchard and the oilers gave him more minutes, responsibility and a better partner
It was happening right there before our eyes the entire time and nobody saw it. In fact we moaned about it the entire time lol
Sitting him for a season was panned, Keith was really panned, and then when Bouchard sucked without Keith we turned on Bouchard and the oilers gave him more minutes, responsibility and a better partner
The Panther
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It's now been 20 games since the Oilers lost in regulation.
FIRE HOLLAND! FIRE WOODCROFT!! FIRE EVERYONE!!
FIRE HOLLAND! FIRE WOODCROFT!! FIRE EVERYONE!!
JustNapalmIt
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Well, the peacocks are of course nowhere to be seen.It's now been 20 games since the Oilers lost in regulation.
FIRE HOLLAND! FIRE WOODCROFT!! FIRE EVERYONE!!
Dooman
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Anyone seen Soundwave? I hope he's okay. He's probably having an aneurysm.
Ken has done a good job finally adding depth. The number one issue with him however is he does a poor job of managing the cap.
Frequent overpays mean he puts himself in self inflicted difficult positions.
Eg Kassian contract he then needed to use picks to get out of. Ceci is another contract he wrote he will likely have to exit next year. Same with Campbell.
The impact of all this is he now is going to have to eventually way overpay McLeod and Bouchard and he's already not the best negotiator.
Frequent overpays mean he puts himself in self inflicted difficult positions.
Eg Kassian contract he then needed to use picks to get out of. Ceci is another contract he wrote he will likely have to exit next year. Same with Campbell.
The impact of all this is he now is going to have to eventually way overpay McLeod and Bouchard and he's already not the best negotiator.
joestevens29
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Ceci is a 2nd pairing d-man. You ain't finding a lot for 3.25mil
Every GM has bad ones, but he also has RNH, Hyman, Kane, Skinner signed to some pretty team friendly deals.
McNuge
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Ceci's contract is fine. He's a top 4 D signed cheap. He was fantastic last year. Not as great this year but as soon as Ek came he's looked much better
McShogun99
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His only overpays that could hurt the team are Nurse and Campbell but it's the first year of their new contracts so I won't fully judge them yet. Everything else has been fair or a discount. Kassian's cap hit was fine but the length was to long.
HockeyGuy1964
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How bad do you have to hate someone to think 3.25M for a 2nd pairing defenseman in today's NHL is so bad that you need to add picks in a trade just to get rid of or need buy him out?
Apparently, RHD who can play 18 mins a night on the 2nd pair grow on trees.
JustNapalmIt
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Trying to concoct a trade similar to his Nurse & Drai for Ekman Larsson & Strome bombshell.
It takes time to come up with such wizardry
I wouldn't say Kane, Hyman and rnh are team friendly deals.
They're hopefully they exceed now and will probably be painful at year end.
Kane wanted a big contract and bascially said "goodbye" after the avs series. Turns out there were still not a lot of takers for him.
I "hate" him saying that Holland will have to get out of that contract?
It's been widely speculated that ceci isn't performing for his salary similar to Foegele who may be a nice person but not for what his cost is.
My overall point is Holland's weak spot has been the cap management piece. Much like Kassian he will have to pay to get out of ceci and maybe Campbell.
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How is RNH not a team friendly deal? He just put up over 100 points at less than 6mil per year. Kane suffered a brutal injury but even as a 50-60 point guy his contract is worth it, same as Hyman's. How do you know there weren't a lot of takers? Because he didn't sign for more elsewhere? He wants to win and saw last year and in the playoffs that his play style meshed very well with this team.
Ceci's contract is fine. Who are you replacing him with at a similar cap hit? Not saying he's some world beater but he's not nearly as bad as HFOil make him out to be.
Campbell on the other hand... woooooof
Thank god he signed Skinner to a decent deal.
In the sense that the Nuge and Hyman contracts extend FOREVER, I can see an argument that they're not exactly hometown discounts or anything. Hyman probably got his best deal and Nuge, coming off the seasons he's had, definitely got his best term. But to complain about those deals right now is goofy beyond belief.
With Kane, they collectively scored 89 goals and 215 points. Their actual value was probably closer to 25M than the 16M they made and that's not even considering that Kane had two rough injuries.
Even from a long term perspective, teams have never and probably should never sweat the last few years of a deal like Hyman's when their window is the next three or four years.
With Kane, they collectively scored 89 goals and 215 points. Their actual value was probably closer to 25M than the 16M they made and that's not even considering that Kane had two rough injuries.
Even from a long term perspective, teams have never and probably should never sweat the last few years of a deal like Hyman's when their window is the next three or four years.
joestevens29
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You worry about those when they actually become an issue IMO. Spending 7 or 8 years worrying about something that might be bad is just unhealthy.
Getting short term gain was an absolute key for us. What were the alternatives really? Let them walk and replace them with cheaper options that may or may not work? Or sign them to shorter deals at more per year costing us another good roster player as we wouldn't have cap space?
HockeyGuy1964
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He's not similar to Foegele in any way.
He was playing 1st pair RHD almost all last year, played decently, & most of this year, struggled by most metrics, & is now been slotted properly playing 2nd pair RHD & looking just fine at it since Ekholm arrived. Who are we replacing him with because he cannot be replaced by a league minimum salaried dman off the street so how are we saving money by moving him.
Foegele has been basically an overpaid 4th liner since he got here so there's literally no comparison.
I guess if he regresses next season, to a 3rd pairing guy, a discussion could be had but it would be pretty dishonest to claim that is going to happen after watching this team play since the trade deadkine.
It's a widely known fact that the Oilers will be looking trying to get out of ceci, Yamamoto, Foegele and maybe kulak.
It is? Yamamoto is the only one on Seravallis early trade board.
Who are we replacing Ceci and Kulak with? Foegele will be on an expiring contract and makes less than Yamo, I doubt both Holloway and Lavoie make the jump next year.
Agree on Ceci, with the exception being them going big game hunting for a top pair RHD to play alongside Nurse (ala Parayko or Karlsson as examples) in which case he'd have to go for salary purposes. Kulak should be replaced by Broberg for the ~2M cap savings.
I'll say that I think the people bumping this thread right now is a bit silly. Whether following a win or a loss. We're 1-4 weeks away from the season being over. Once the season is fully over people can fully weigh in on how they think Holland's performance was. One first game loss against the Golden Knights or a 1st round victory against the Kings aren't the determining factor.
The Panther
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Yeah, someone definitely needed to bump this asinine thread after the club's first three-period loss in 22 games.
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