Fire Ken Holland: 2022-2023 edition

[Stoneman89]

As good as the deadline deals were, Holland gets a D - for going into this season thinking our defence was sound. Balancing it out against the deadline deals, it works out to about a B for me.

 

[Soundwave]

Can't be given any more than a C-. I mean yes he finally got off his ass after 3+ years and got one solid defenceman who actually plays defence ... for a team that probably needs 2 of those guys at minimum.

You don't deserve a passing grade as a GM when you have a player scoring at like a Gretzky/Lemieux pace, the no.2 scorer, and two other guys pacing for 100 points and yet some how the team is not even top 3 in a soft division with only 15 games left in the regular season.

You've f***ed some things up and/or haven't brought in enough support in a timely enough fashion if that is the case.

 

[SwedishFire]

Can't be given any more than a C-. I mean yes he finally got off his ass after 3+ years and got one solid defenceman who actually plays defence ... for a team that probably needs 2 of those guys at minimum.

You don't deserve a passing grade as a GM when you have a player scoring at like a Gretzky/Lemieux pace, the no.2 scorer, and two other guys pacing for 100 points and yet some how the team is not even top 3 in a soft division with only 15 games left in the regular season.

You've f***ed some things up and/or haven't brought in enough support in a timely enough fashion if that is the case.

If Holland was only up to two moves, it still had both to be D to adress. But it was to obvious I guess, like, why go far in a playoff run?

Bjugstad, I dont fully get this move. Was it because Jesse left and Holland want to replace that hole? Bjugstad is a fine player, fore sure, with great salary. BUUUT, forwards is so fron heavy at the moment comparing to defence its ridicolous. Holland could had thrown 2024 1st to Dubas for Rasmus Sandin, and I hadnt complain!

And sure, then a D has to go. But just wave Broberg and Desharnias or Shore then.

He chickened out.

Now Woody CAN save his bacon by playing Ceci at his offside and slide Ekholm to 1st pair. But damn so annoying.

They should do Ekholm Bouvhard 1st pair.
Nurse Desharnias 2nd pair.
Kulak Ceci 3rd pair.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

This thread is an embarrassment.

 

[aspin3]

Maybe Holland will do what no GM has ever done before...and make some trades to clear cap.

You still have to replace them.....who is he going to tade? Foegle? You then have to replace him. Who are you going to get for less than $1.5M or so thatbis not a major downgrade. Also instead of now replacing 4 guys they have to replace 5 to 6 from UFA market. Would love to hear a proposal or scenario type from you to see what that realistically would look like.

 

[aspin3]

Foegele, Yamamoto, Ceci, Kulak and possibly even Campbell are guys that can be moved to clear some cap.

And replaced with who that are not downgrades.....so this off summer whonl would you replace Kulak, Ceci, Foegle, Yamo, Ryan, shore, Bjugstad, Janmark with and at what cost keeping in mind factoring in Bouchard and Mcleod and Kostins new contracts. They are not trading Campbell unless they make their draft pick situation worse ...if buy out you need to gactor that into the cap

 

[North Cole]

The team as assembled is good enough to win a cup, they just need to engage mentally for 60 minutes. You don't even need to play 60 minutes of flawless hockey, you just can't completely fall asleep for 5 minutes.

That said, are we capped out and not able to play certain players? We have 15 games left, why are we still rotating so many in and out? I feel like Woodcraft is wasting these last games like he wasted preseason. Find your 11-7 and play them for 13 games straight so they can get some chemistry. Shore out. Kostin in. Broberg in.

 

[Heavy Dee]

He left RD exposed.

What if Desharnais broke his hand from the Tavares slash?

 

[Stoneman89]

If Holland was only up to two moves, it still had both to be D to adress. But it was to obvious I guess, like, why go far in a playoff run?

Bjugstad, I dont fully get this move. Was it because Jesse left and Holland want to replace that hole? Bjugstad is a fine player, fore sure, with great salary. BUUUT, forwards is so fron heavy at the moment comparing to defence its ridicolous. Holland could had thrown 2024 1st to Dubas for Rasmus Sandin, and I hadnt complain!

And sure, then a D has to go. But just wave Broberg and Desharnias or Shore then.

He chickened out.

Now Woody CAN save his bacon by playing Ceci at his offside and slide Ekholm to 1st pair. But damn so annoying.

They should do Ekholm Bouvhard 1st pair.
Nurse Desharnias 2nd pair.
Kulak Ceci 3rd pair.

Ryan McLeod showed you last night why Bjugstad was a necessary addition. We needed some more veteran depth in the bottom 6. I think he's been great and better than advertised so far.

 

[bobbythebrain]

You still have to replace them.....who is he going to tade? Foegle? You then have to replace him. Who are you going to get for less than $1.5M or so thatbis not a major downgrade. Also instead of now replacing 4 guys they have to replace 5 to 6 from UFA market. Would love to hear a proposal or scenario type from you to see what that realistically would look like.

Maybe he'll do what no GM has ever done before...and replace a couple guys with players from the AHL. Holloway and Borgualt

 

[Soundwave]

Maybe he'll do what no GM has ever done before...and replace a couple guys with players from the AHL. Holloway and Borgualt

Yah, more inexperienced players that will have their growing pains. Like I swear out of any "contender" the Oilers are the only one that seem to constantly be breaking in like 6-7 young players at a time every season, lol.

I just don't think you can be serious about contending and having that many inexperienced players peppered throughout your lineup all the time.

GM doesn't do enough to get enough actual NHL players on the team, so team then ends up overplaying inexperienced young players, I mean this year on top of everything else, our no.1 goalie is literally a rookie, because our management shit the bed badly in their off-season "find a starter" safari.

When the Oilers made the Cup final in 2006, they weren't that many green players. MAB was probably the least experienced player and he probably cost the Oilers a Cup by being a moron and crashing into Roloson.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

And replaced with who that are not downgrades.....so this off summer whonl would you replace Kulak, Ceci, Foegle, Yamo, Ryan, shore, Bjugstad, Janmark with and at what cost keeping in mind factoring in Bouchard and Mcleod and Kostins new contracts. They are not trading Campbell unless they make their draft pick situation worse ...if buy out you need to gactor that into the cap

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/4050212

Forget the Connor Brown trade to Arizona, I thought I might be able to sneak him in on a cheap 1 year deal but no dice. The top 6RW spots likely have to be filled in house by Lavoie, Bourgault or Tullio due to the cap, however adding a guy like Karlsson would be huge and would take even more pressure off of Nurse.

 

[Soundwave]

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/edit/4050212

Forget the Connor Brown trade to Arizona, I thought I might be able to sneak him in on a cheap 1 year deal but no dice. The top 6RW spots likely have to be filled in house by Lavoie, Bourgault or Tullio due to the cap, however adding a guy like Karlsson would be huge and would take even more pressure off of Nurse.

The 9+ million dollar man who needs to be sheltered to a no.3/4 D role, lol. Oilers might as well just get this guy some Depends diapers any time they're up big in a game because you know a crapping of the pants is probably coming from Darnell.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

The 9+ million dollar man who needs to be sheltered to a no.3/4 D role, lol. Oilers might as well just get this guy some Depends diapers any time they're up big in a game because you know a crapping of the pants is probably coming from Darnell.

Agreed, but we're in the shit now so we have to work around it.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Maybe he'll do what no GM has ever done before...and replace a couple guys with players from the AHL. Holloway and Borgualt

This would require Holland drafting well to begin with, and that as we know is yet another thing he isn’t all that good at.

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

JFC this place is ridiculous.

 

[Soundwave]

JFC this place is ridiculous.

Nothing ridiculous about any of this. Expectations are high and the regular season largely as a team hasn't been good enough. Bringing in one good dman doesn't give you a free pass when you have McDavid having the best season the league has seen since like Mario Lemieux 20+ years ago.

That's the job, can't take the heat here, don't take the job, simple as that. You're not owed shit as a GM in this market, and really shouldn't be in any market. If you want to ask "when do I get the benefit of the doubt tho?", when the team has made a Cup Final, that's the *minimum*, period.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Yah, more inexperienced players that will have their growing pains. Like I swear out of any "contender" the Oilers are the only one that seem to constantly be breaking in like 6-7 young players at a time every season, lol.

I just don't think you can be serious about contending and having that many inexperienced players peppered throughout your lineup all the time.

GM doesn't do enough to get enough actual NHL players on the team, so team then ends up overplaying inexperienced young players, I mean this year on top of everything else, our no.1 goalie is literally a rookie, because our management shit the bed badly in their off-season "find a starter" safari.

When the Oilers made the Cup final in 2006, they weren't that many green players. MAB was probably the least experienced player and he probably cost the Oilers a Cup by being a moron and crashing into Roloson.

You can win with inexperienced players playing important roles in the lineup. The inexperienced players just need to be sick like Colorado had with Byram/Newhook. Heck even Makar was only on year 3. Tampa won their non-cheating Cup with guys like Sergachev/Cirelli/Cernak/Joseph/Stephens/Foote all with only like 1-3 years of experience. The problem with the Oilers is that the young players aren't getting into key spots of the lineup b/c they're insane and their performance is undeniable (only player who fits this description is 2021-22 Bouchard), it's usually b/c our veterans suck so badly that guys like McLeod/Kostin/Holloway/Broberg/Desharnais are actually the best options.

 

[BlackDogg]

Two ridiculous goalie contracts in a row, one by each gm. Just brutal.

 

[Soundwave]

You can win with inexperienced players playing important roles in the lineup. The inexperienced players just need to be sick like Colorado had with Byram/Newhook. Heck even Makar was only on year 3. Tampa won their non-cheating Cup with guys like Sergachev/Cirelli/Cernak/Joseph/Stephens/Foote all with only like 1-3 years of experience. The problem with the Oilers is that the young players aren't getting into key spots of the lineup b/c they're insane and their performance is undeniable (only player who fits this description is 2021-22 Bouchard), it's usually b/c our veterans suck so badly that guys like McLeod/Kostin/Holloway/Broberg/Desharnais are actually the best options.

Sergachev was in his 3rd year, Makar 3rd year as well and Makar lets be honest is a superstar so hard to compare to that. That 3rd year seems to be big for maturity, but the Oilers always seem to be stuck relying on guys in year 1 or 2.

Two ridiculous goalie contracts in a row, one by each gm. Just brutal.

Pro tip to the Oilers management: Stop giving 4-5 year extensions on goalies with tiny ass track records.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Nicholson should've been fired after the Chiarelli debacle. Holland should be gone for the Nurse and Campbell overpay signings alone.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Yah, more inexperienced players that will have their growing pains. Like I swear out of any "contender" the Oilers are the only one that seem to constantly be breaking in like 6-7 young players at a time every season, lol.

I just don't think you can be serious about contending and having that many inexperienced players peppered throughout your lineup all the time.

GM doesn't do enough to get enough actual NHL players on the team, so team then ends up overplaying inexperienced young players, I mean this year on top of everything else, our no.1 goalie is literally a rookie, because our management shit the bed badly in their off-season "find a starter" safari.

When the Oilers made the Cup final in 2006, they weren't that many green players. MAB was probably the least experienced player and he probably cost the Oilers a Cup by being a moron and crashing into Roloson.

Meh. The Oilers always had 3-4 good players to try and glue an entire team together, the support system has always been weak.

Next year we will have like 7 we can truly count on for quality. There is enough to sprinkle in some young guys finally

 

[SwedishFire]

Nicholson should've been fired after the Chiarelli debacle. Holland should be gone for the Nurse and Campbell overpay signings alone.

Goaltending was 1A need here, we lucked out on Skinner being ready. But offering 5x5, while tjere wasnt probably anyone near that is beyond stupid. It was a panic offer. One shot offer.

 

[McDoused]

Holy crap this place is toxic as hell.

Since Holland has taken over the team has made the playoffs every year and just went to the western conference last year. Hes clearly doing something right.

The problem isnt roster construction. The team literally beat the best team in the league the previous game. The ability is there. The talent is there. However, this is fragile group. They get to high on themselves when things go well and think they can half ass it when they are leading or playing weaker competition. This team clearly has more to off but continues to not only do they take shifts off but they take periods and games off. That speaks volumes to the leaders on the ice and the coaching.

Nurse and Draisaitl continue to lead the team with bonehead decisions and timely turnovers and they are supposed to be our leaders. Woody either needs to hold his guys accountable or they will keep walking all over him. I dont think hes up to the job.

 

[Spawn]

JFC this place is ridiculous.

The team is going to squeak into the playoffs in a wildcard spot or in 3rd in their division. Sorry that some have higher expectations with the greatest player of this generation scoring at a near 2ppg rate.

Holy crap this place is toxic as hell.

Since Holland has taken over the team has made the playoffs every year and just went to the western conference last year. Hes clearly doing something right.

The problem isnt roster construction. The team literally beat the best team in the league the previous game. The ability is there. The talent is there. However, this is fragile group. They get to high on themselves when things go well and think they can half ass it when they are leading or playing weaker competition. This team clearly has more to off but continues to not only do they take shifts off but they take periods and games off. That speaks volumes to the leaders on the ice and the coaching.

Nurse and Draisaitl continue to lead the team with bonehead decisions and timely turnovers and they are supposed to be our leaders. Woody either needs to hold his guys accountable or they will keep walking all over him. I dont think hes up to the job.

"This place is toxic as hell"

Says Woodcroft isn't up to the job and blames Draisaitl and Nurse.

You're just as "toxic" but have your gun pointed at a different person.