SingnBluesOnBroadway
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Can anyone look at the team that Pitt iced last night and then rave about this organization's depth?
Speculation: Fire Glen Sather
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Can anyone look at the team that Pitt iced last night and then rave about this organization's depth?
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My negativity started after the loss to the devils and it is starting to look like I was right. The point is this:
The recent (post lockout) era of moderate success is over. We've seen the best that Sather is EVER going to bring to NY, and he fell short of getting to The Show.
Whatever success we've had since the '04/'05 lockout was mostly the result of Jagr, a lucky draw with Hank, and Torts' hammering of an ugly system to bleed wins out of stones.
It's over. Now he is just scrambling to hold it together and the longer he hangs on the longer our torture will continue. I'm thinking a BIG trade is looming after the Olympics sometime and we will squeak into the playoffs with a fresh pack of mercenaries who will win one or 2 games and give everyone hope.
Games like last night (pens SO loss) just prolong the process.
Writing is on the wall. Time to move on, but it is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Very disappointing.
The recent (post lockout) era of moderate success is over. We've seen the best that Sather is EVER going to bring to NY, and he fell short of getting to The Show.
Whatever success we've had since the '04/'05 lockout was mostly the result of Jagr, a lucky draw with Hank, and Torts' hammering of an ugly system to bleed wins out of stones.
It's over. Now he is just scrambling to hold it together and the longer he hangs on the longer our torture will continue. I'm thinking a BIG trade is looming after the Olympics sometime and we will squeak into the playoffs with a fresh pack of mercenaries who will win one or 2 games and give everyone hope.
Games like last night (pens SO loss) just prolong the process.
Writing is on the wall. Time to move on, but it is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Very disappointing.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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You could actually even go back to before the Jagr deal. It seemed as though the franchise was at least going to get younger and "rebuild". At the same time they deal for Jagr. Maybe a wash directionally.
What's also interesting is the FO managed to build an excellent line by adding two players who were hardly "stars" but instead shrewd acquisitions in Nylander and Straka. How come there's been an inability to find talent since then?
What you point out is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that Sather is lazy and looks for quick-fix scenarios rather than committing to a direction and building a team that can compete, not for a season or two, but year in and year out.
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I mentioned in the PGT with regards to Pitt - that's what real depth looks like. All that crowing earlier in the season about how great our team's "depth" was shortsighted and seemed to espouse the mentality that bodies=depth.
Pyatt, Asham, Pouliot, Miller and all the other prospects who need more time in the AHL - that's not good depth. Good depth will enable you to overcome injuries and win games like Pitt has.
Pyatt, Asham, Pouliot, Miller and all the other prospects who need more time in the AHL - that's not good depth. Good depth will enable you to overcome injuries and win games like Pitt has.
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Of course, that goes hand in hand.
But other than Crosby and Kunitz last night, it wasn't like Pittsburgh's lineup was overflowing with skill. They had players who knew what their role was - forecheck, dump the puck in, block shots, etc.
I think having the right players who fit their roles are just as important as having talented players sometimes. For example, Brassard has spent much of the season playing 3rd line center, and although he may have more skill than other 3rd liners in the league, he is not the right person for the job. He doesn't have the forechecking ability, physicality, defensive prowess, or faceoff percentage to compete against other 3rd line centers. While many Rangers fans would point to having Brassard play on the 3rd line as indicative of good depth, it is a misnomer because he isn't really suited for the position.
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If we want to tank, we should keep AV. If we want to compete, we should fire AV and his whole staff (sans Allaire) and hire Peter Laviolette.
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Yes, because this team would be competing with Chicago for the Presidents Trophy with Lavy behind the bench...
Yup, Im still trying to find out what direction AV is trying to take this team towards. The "skate in transition and use your skill" experiment is a disaster. Not nearly enough skill for that. How much longer before he throws his hands up and starts demanding a more grinding/physical game (a game that, incidentally, this team isn't built for either, but at least it would limit the egregious defensive mistakes that have hindered the team).
All those posters that whined about moving towards a more skill-based system. They got what they wanted -- and a lot of them have mysteriously disappeared. Being incredibly wrong will do that to you, I guess.
Tanking is not an option, because we can't even trust Sather to get top 10 draft picks right. It would be a waste of some perfectly good losing...
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And yet they were able to move the puck out of their zone and up the ice. How strange.
It must be a miracle. Teams without epic skill can't have a coherent transition game.
hahaha I'm not saying that, but I think AV and the staff are gonna lose the room, soon. A change is probably going to be needed before the season ends.
I hate AV and his staff, never wanted them here. I was a Torts guy through and through. Laviolette is more in line with what these clowns need.
I think the title of this thread should be: Retire Glen Sather.
He isn't getting fired, but any whichever way he ends up leaving is fine with me at this point.
He isn't getting fired, but any whichever way he ends up leaving is fine with me at this point.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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Yeah, but wouldn't it be just like Sather to tank after extending his goalie for another 7 years....
Agreed. I was a fan of the AV hiring because he was the best on the market outside of maybe a Ruff. Vancouver fans had their criticisms of AV, much like Ranger fans had with Torts. But seeing all these new issues pop up, and the old ones not get fixed...
I mean was it fair to fire Torts after a 2nd round exit on a team missing Staal and Clowe against a seasoned Boston team?
For all intents and purposes, the Rangers were missing their Chara and Lucic.
What would be fair for AV? Give him a season to lose, and another 2 off seasons for a full personnel change? If losing in the 2nd round wasn't acceptable in May, it better not be acceptable now.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
For the record, I couldn't stand Torts and wanted him gone - and am still fine with the decision to move on. I wanted Laviolette instead of him when he was hired in the first place.
I'd be just fine with keeping AV and losing using his system ,if it were part of a longer term strategy towards building a talented team suited for said system.
For ONCE in my life I'd like to see a NY Rangers team with legit Pittsburgh/Chicago talent on offense - preferably drafted by the team so that I can enjoy them for a long time, rather than acquired at 30, so I get 2-3 years of tease and then more of the crap I've witnessed for the last 15 or so years.
Years of top 5 picks. Years. Some of you sound like closet EDM fans the way you clamor for losing.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Or like Ranger fans who would like to see their team win something other than a first or second round in the playoffs every few years.
The mediocrity is tiring. Enough with the pats on the backs and better luck next times. If they can't win by winning maybe they should start winning later by losing now.
Im really not sure why people would hate Tortorella. He is the only coach in Sather's tenure that had the balls to mold a team in the ilk that best suited them instead of what Sather's latest whim happened to be.
Sather is a ****ing mess. This roster is not good at anything right now. By the time he tries building an offensive competent team (something he'll probably screw up), he'll probably get sick of AV and boot his ass.
I'd love to see an offense on par with Pittsburgh/Chicago too, but thats a delusion of grandeur. I appreciated Tortorella working with the pieces he had to instill a bit of accountability in this organization, however fleeting it was.
NYR Sting
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Everything that has happened since the lockout (nearly endless mediocrity) is a result of that stupid Jagr trade. Typical Sather, typical Rangers. Negated the entire purpose of the '04 purge. Jagr, Lundqvist, and a handful of Jagr cronies on their last legs (and then Shanahan) dragged horrible teams into the playoffs, and all of a sudden, "why should we rebuild? we have playoff aspirations!"
********. They should have bottomed out after the lockout and drafted some real young talent. Instead, the neverending parade of free agent mistakes happens.
Wait, but Gordie Clark is a genius! Trust the front office, they are all experts and they know what is best! I thought we had such a great prospect pool and a ton of organizational depth.
It wasn't just earlier in the season; it has been going on for years now. Great drafting, great prospects, great depth. Right.
The whole point of drafts is to have a cyclical system. Clamor for losing? When have we won? All this team does is lose. This team hides from winning like it is a sickness, probably because the team refuses to ever take medication. It's called rebuilding. Bottoming out and rebuilding with high draft picks. You can't plan to draft Datsyuk in the 7th round of the draft. That just doesn't happen very often.
What about Renney? I don't think the style of play was drastically different. What changed is that, for a couple of seasons, the level of skill and talent was at least respectable. Renney never had that. Renney's teams had a couple of players and a ton of garbage.
Tanking is not the answer when you just signed a goaltender for $60M.
Re-tooling is. This team should sell anything thats not nailed down at the deadline.
Girardi, Callahan, Del Zotto, Brassard, Boyle -- buh-bye.
If the by-product is tanking into a high draft pick, great. But tanking shouldn't be the strategy here.
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