Speculation: Fire Glen Sather

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hindsight is 20/20, but for the most part sather/nyr make good moves..

I'm so sick of the hindsight is 20/20 BS. It's the GM's job to have foresight. Who cares if a deal looks good when it's made if the deal doesn't end up helping us? The point of all those deals is to build a winner, and Sather hasn't come close to doing that.

In sports, everyone gets judged on the results. Everyone except Sather I guess.
 
Our leading goalscorer Brad "Rebound" Richards is now tied for 68th spot in the NHL for goals with 9. He is joined there by 2 defensemen (Karlsson & Chara). On pace for a whopping 22 goals (Nobody else near 20 goal territory albeit Nash at 22 as well). Richards is #7 in Nhl salaries with $9,000,000. Nash is at #11 with $7,800,000. Offense is AVs game. Glen with the helping hand there
 
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I'm so sick of the hindsight is 20/20 BS. It's the GM's job to have foresight. Who cares if a deal looks good when it's made if the deal doesn't end up helping us? The point of all those deals is to build a winner, and Sather hasn't come close to doing that.

In sports, everyone gets judged on the results. Everyone except Sather I guess.

sure the past few weeks the rangers havent been winners.. but the past few seasons they have been..

well 20/20 hindsight is real....

after 2011- everyone was thinking the rangers were a stud away from the cup after losing to the devils.. it made sense to get nash.. starting to look like the lindros deal.. but everyone makes that deal 10/10.. Glen is suppose to know nash and gabby wouldnt gel? or the lockout would hinder their whole season? who ****ing thought losing dubi, and artie would be a big deal.. i surely didnt..

who thought losing prust would be a big deal?

nhl is a business first and foremost.. losing dubi and prust were business decisions.

should glen forsee injuries aswell? i think losing nash and cally for chunks of the season is a **** deal..

every deal has the potential to be a **** deal.. but for the most part when glen/nyr makes these deals it makes sense.. better then making no ****ing sense at the time of the deal..

people beg and scream rangers need more offense.. so they fire torts, gets AV an offensive coach..

signs a guy oozing offensive skill in pouliot..

i think a degree of that is on the players.. how is sather/nyr suppose to know a player isnt going to play to same way in ny as his prior team? nyc orginal six team isnt the place for every player.. some players thrive here, some sink big time... how can you know prior to a deal wheter you are trading for a new york ranger, or just another professional hockey player..
 
How is he supposed to know? He's been professionally involved in hockey since the 60s, and has been an NHL GM since 1979. For ****'s sake, he's been a GM longer than half this board has been alive.

It's literally his job to know better.
 
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We've changed coaches and rosters how many times? It's only logical to think the problem may be the one constant throughout this whole mess. Sather.

all nhl teams are in constant turnover..

what mess? since 06 the rangers have been a top 12ish team in the league..

the nhl is so close you just need to get into the playoffs and get hot..

is gorton by all accounts doing most of the gming anyway? got mac in a trade, made some FA signings..

at the end of the day all we know about the nyr upper management structure is what we know through the media.
 
How is he supposed to know? He's been professionally involved in hockey since the 60s, and has been an NHL GM since 1979. For ****'s sake, he's been a GM longer than half this board has been alive.

It's literally his job to know better.

... thats why he has his job.. and thats why for the most part he makes good deals...

so someone in the world knew nash would get a concussion 1 game into the year? or cally would preputully getting injured? staal getting hurt? how the **** can a team plan for that..
 
Sather is the GM; GM's are the architects of teams; for a franchise that is allowed to spend money like tap water, everything is inherently his fault. Sather is the top, everything else trickles down.

Yes, Pouliot hasn't been good, in a vacuum but who signed him? And more importantly, why was he signed? Follow the breadcrumb trail, everything goes back to Sather.

If you're boss of a failing business, who's really to blame? The dummies you keep hiring, or you for hiring them?

why are the rangers failing? a 5 game losing streak?

i dont know who sign pouliot? just glen sather?
 
Yeah well you know what, that's a ******* awful reason for keeping a GM around, because he's ancient and is living off success 30 years ago.

Look at the big picture with this franchise and realize that there is no big picture.
 
Yeah well you know what, that's a ******* awful reason for keeping a GM around, because he's ancient and is living off success 30 years ago.

i would think a guy around hockey for as long as glen has seen quite a bit.. probably forgotten more about hockey then any of us know..


at the end of the day i cant argue with everyone here.. it is what it is.. firing sather doesnt suddenly make the rangers a top 5 team in the league..

firing sather doesnt suddendly make our players less injury prone
 
Some of us don't want a quick turn around, we want a blueprint, something to commit to. I think there's plenty around here who could suck it up if there was a clear plan in place. I'm not saying I want them to suck for 3-5 years, but they took their shot at a Cup with the Nash trade, and now we're dealing with the repercussions

Look at JD and Jarmo Kekalinen's work with the St. Louis Blues.
 
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This speaks volumes

BAD PRODUCTIVITY PER SIGNED $$ (CAP HIT). HERE I USED AN 82 game PACE TOTAL

HERE ARE THE RANGERS NUMBERS SO FAR:
Player $$/FSP

Taylor Pyatt 415 854
Derek Dorsett 192 547
Rick Nash 134 756 ON PACE FOR 58 POINTS IN 82 GAME YEAR
Brad Richards 110 569 #1 SCORER
Dominic Moore 105 691
Brian Boyle 100 697
Ryan Callahan 96 248
J.T. Miller 92 688
Derick Brassard 91 986
Benoit Pouliot 72 474
Derek Stepan 57 955 #2 SCORER
Carl Hagelin 53 659
Mats Zuccarello 22 038 #3 SCORER
Chris Kreider 14 634
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Jesper Fast 999 999
Arron Asham 999 999
Brandon Mashinter 999 999
Darroll Powe 999 999

HERE ARE THE STATS FROM THE REST OF THE TEAMS IN THE EAST (INCLUDING TOP 3 SCORERS ON EACH TEAM):
Team Player $$/point
CAR Jordan Staal 175 559
CAR Eric Staal 120 697
FLA Tomas Fleischmann 105 245
OTT Jason Spezza 102 410
BOS Milan Lucic 99 398
PHI Jakub Voracek 99 398
WSH Alex Ovechkin 96 285
MTL Tomas Plekanec 95 838
TBL Valtteri Filppula 94 664
BUF Cody Hodgson 88 186
NJD Patrik Elias 86 145
BUF Tyler Ennis 86 017
DET Pavel Datsyuk 82 084
PIT Evgeni Malkin 81 810
PIT Sidney Crosby 78 057
BOS David Krejci 77 309
CAR Jeff Skinner 75 545
DET Henrik Zetterberg 75 341
NJD Dainius Zubrus 74 699
WSH Nicklas Backstrom 73 996
FLA Scottie Upshall 72 624
TBL Martin St. Louis 72 143
TOR Phil Kessel 71 160
CBJ Brandon Dubinsky 67 470
OTT Bobby Ryan 67 206
TBL Steven Stamkos 66 789
TOR James van Riemsdyk 64 991
BUF Matt Moulson 62 918
NYI John Tavares 60 892
PHI Claude Giroux 59 639
CBJ Nick Foligno 57 787
OTT Kyle Turris 54 663
DET Daniel Alfredsson 52 711
PIT Chris Kunitz 47 599
NYI Frans Nielsen 45 060
WSH Mikhail Grabovski 42 838
NYI Kyle Okposo 39 551
MTL Lars Eller 32 867
NJD Jaromir Jagr 29 260
FLA Jonathan Huberdeau 23 701
PHI Brayden Schenn 19 217
MTL Alex Galchenyuk 17 730
TOR Mason Raymond 17 570
BOS Reilly Smith 15 558
CBJ Ryan Johansen 13 199

NICE... STAAL BROTHERS HAVING A ROUGH PATCH
 
This is Sather's 14th year running the Rangers. 13th season. 04-05 lockout.

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There is no one else capable of running the Rangers? Sather turned 70 in September.
 
sure the past few weeks the rangers havent been winners.. but the past few seasons they have been..

They have been? Really? One conference final in 13 years doesn't fit my definition of winning, but maybe you have lower standards.
 
sure the past few weeks the rangers havent been winners.. but the past few seasons they have been..
What have the Rangers been largely under Sather's caretaking?
well 20/20 hindsight is real....
So is the ability to judge real time and to have foresight.
after 2011- everyone was thinking the rangers were a stud away from the cup after losing to the devils..
Who is this "everyone"? Most saw a hardworking team that was better than the sum of their pars.
it made sense to get nash.. starting to look like the lindros deal.. but everyone makes that deal 10/10..
It did not make sense to get Nash and not everyone would do that trade. The trade disrupted the apple cart and took away from the team.
Glen is suppose to know nash and gabby wouldnt gel? or the lockout would hinder their whole season?
Yes, because experience is the best teacher. And he cannot learn from his own mistakes.
who ****ing thought losing dubi, and artie would be a big deal.. i surely didnt..
You may not have. However there were plenty of warnings of what tearing apart the chemistry would do.
who thought losing prust would be a big deal?
The people that thought that $2.5 for a glue 3rd liner was money well spent.
nhl is a business first and foremost.. losing dubi and prust were business decisions.
No, they were bad management decisions. And bad cash management decisions.
should glen forsee injuries aswell? i think losing nash and cally for chunks of the season is a **** deal..
A prudent GM always plans for injuries. That is why there is such thing as depth. And injuries are no excuse. Each team deals with them.
every deal has the potential to be a **** deal.. but for the most part when glen/nyr makes these deals it makes sense.. better then making no ****ing sense at the time of the deal..
Umm....most of Sather's deals make sense? Want to try that one again?
people beg and scream rangers need more offense.. so they fire torts, gets AV an offensive coach..
Again, who are these people you refer to? Most knowledgeable fans were happy with the on ice product.
signs a guy oozing offensive skill in pouliot..
And lacking in the ability to put it all together and play hard. Tell me, do you think that Sather magically saw something that the previous 5 teams did not?
i think a degree of that is on the players.. how is sather/nyr suppose to know a player isnt going to play to same way in ny as his prior team?
Again, how about experience?
nyc orginal six team isnt the place for every player.. some players thrive here, some sink big time... how can you know prior to a deal wheter you are trading for a new york ranger, or just another professional hockey player..
Because each player needs to have something that shows you that they can play under the bright lights.
 
What have the Rangers been largely under Sather's caretaking?

So is the ability to judge real time and to have foresight.

Who is this "everyone"? Most saw a hardworking team that was better than the sum of their pars.

It did not make sense to get Nash and not everyone would do that trade. The trade disrupted the apple cart and took away from the team.

Yes, because experience is the best teacher. And he cannot learn from his own mistakes.

You may not have. However there were plenty of warnings of what tearing apart the chemistry would do.

The people that thought that $2.5 for a glue 3rd liner was money well spent.

No, they were bad management decisions. And bad cash management decisions.

A prudent GM always plans for injuries. That is why there is such thing as depth. And injuries are no excuse. Each team deals with them.

Umm....most of Sather's deals make sense? Want to try that one again?

Again, who are these people you refer to? Most knowledgeable fans were happy with the on ice product.

And lacking in the ability to put it all together and play hard. Tell me, do you think that Sather magically saw something that the previous 5 teams did not?

Again, how about experience?

Because each player needs to have something that shows you that they can play under the bright lights.

Bottom line, what has Sather accomplished in 14 years? One conference final? He has no long term vision and always reverts to attempt capturing lightening in a bottle with a big splash
True Blue, long year for your Skins and my Big Blue. SBOB must also share in my pain
 
Bottom line, what has Sather accomplished in 14 years? One conference final? He has no long term vision and always reverts to attempt capturing lightening in a bottle with a big splash
True Blue, long year for your Skins and my Big Blue. SBOB must also share in my pain
It has been a rough one for me. I could not even turn to the Yankees this year as my salvation.
 
probably forgotten more about hockey then any of us know..

Which is not pertinent. The question is not whether Sather knows more than the average fan at Hockey's Future. The question is whether Sather knows more than another professional who could replace him.

His record says "no," he doesn't. And, given the team's overall fortunes for the last 14 years, it's not even a "probably not."

It's just "no."
 
Somewhere in an alternate Universe...

FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Artem Anisimov ($3.283m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($0.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.150m)
Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
Brandon Mashinter or a goon like McGrattan ($0.605m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / Marc Staal ($3.975m)
Tim Erixon ($0.900m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Steve Eminger ($0.650m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2013-14 crunched using simulation date of 2013-12-19)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
BONUSES: $1,725,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $722,628
 
FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Artem Anisimov ($3.283m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($0.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.150m)
Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
Brandon Mashinter or a goon like McGrattan ($0.605m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / Marc Staal ($3.975m)
Tim Erixon ($0.900m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Steve Eminger ($0.650m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2013-14 crunched using simulation date of 2013-12-19)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
BONUSES: $1,725,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $722,628

I like that roster... But we don't know if a), that roster could reproduce what they had the prior year and b) how some of these players would have continued to function with torts

We can rip apart what could have or should have happened... But its water over the dam at this point. Were going back to 2005
 
I like that roster... But we don't know if a), that roster could reproduce what they had the prior year and b) how some of these players would have continued to function with torts

We can rip apart what could have or should have happened... But its water over the dam at this point. Were going back to 2005

This is in an alternate Universe. In the one we are (apparently) in - we got what we got.:cry:
 
His record says "no," he doesn't. And, given the team's overall fortunes for the last 14 years, it's not even a "probably not."
His record is amongst the worst caretakers of teams in all of sports. From drafts to trades to cash management. Pretty much most of his decisions have been wrong.
 
Im not sure theres been anything more egregious in Sather's tenure than the past 18 months where, through meddling and idiocy, he took a good team with a strong mentality/foundation, and basically ****ed the entire thing up.
 
FORWARDS
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Artem Anisimov ($3.283m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($0.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.150m)
Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Brandon Prust ($2.500m)
Brandon Mashinter or a goon like McGrattan ($0.605m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m) / Marc Staal ($3.975m)
Tim Erixon ($0.900m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Steve Eminger ($0.650m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

BUYOUTS
Wade Redden ($0.000m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2013-14 crunched using simulation date of 2013-12-19)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
BONUSES: $1,725,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $722,628

Don't like these kinds of posts. They never do anything good. They just rub it in.
 

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