Speculation: Fire Glen Sather

[NickyFotiu]

With regards to Nash, just out curiosity, what makes you think we can get that big of a return?

We got lucky with Gomez because their GM was fighting for his job. In terms of Gaborik, he was coming of an almost 80 point season. Granted, Gaborik had injury issues, but I think teams will be more wary of Nash's concussions and a contender will think twice about his playoff play history.

In terms of McD, I think he will sign another extension in a year or two to tell you the truth. Under the CBA, a player cant renegotiate like the NFL. It's just a sinking feeling I get that Sather may try to pull a Wang. Obviously you cant to crazy long contracts any more, but I think if McD puts in one more years worth of work he can ask for the extension. It hasn't been done yet, but I have read reports of some agents considering doing so for their clients.

McD just signed a 6 year contract. Slats has never given a new contract in a situation like that. I do not even think he is allowed.

How many 30-40 goal scorers are in this league. Ranger fans may be down on Nash but that does not mean that Nash has no value to other teams GMs. Nash was even just chosen for the Olympic team by Yzermen.

 

[bagh]

You might all be too young to remember the late 90's, but I sure as hell remember them. Once Gretzky left, this team was an embarrassment. No future, no farm system, and relying on players who were 10 years past their prime. The rebuild started in '04, and since then this team has missed the playoffs once, and barely at that.

I might not be as old as you, but I think you mean the early parts of 2000. Gretzky left in 1999. Based of that, in terms of what you mention as the handiwork od Smith's is Sather's. If you want to include Neil Smith, because of him the team sucked for 2 years after prolonged success relying upon solely free agency. Under Sather, we didnt get good until after the lockout. i think thats roughly 5 years. Just saying.

We had a bunch of top picks whom Sather inherited and couldn't develop because he went after guys who according to you were past their prime (See Pavel Brendl and Jamie Lundmark). He got some decent picks he either traded away for vets or squandered (see Dan blackburn).

In terms of layng everything of what I like to call the Ranger's Dark at Neil Smith's feet, is bit of a fallacy that I think MSG created when they brought in Sather that he would be a messiah of sorts which I think still lingers. just saying.

 

[pld459666]

He must be really bad to get the blame for 3 non playoff seasons (98,99,00) and the emptying of a farm system when he was not even with the team.

Do you think what happened from 2000/2001-2004 is more important than from 2005-2014?

I will not blame him for 98-99-00. However the barren farm system he inherited, started to get emptied in the 95-96-97 seasons.

So, here we are with a legit shot at a Cup Finals appearance and I am happy for that, but taking a gander over the system that we have and it's pretty crappy.

Do I think 01-02-03-04 are more important? No. I don't think that they are any LESS important.

We are on a good run. I am enjoying this a great deal. I'm not the least bit convinced that this level of success for this team is sustainable and with out a feeder system porperly stocked, I think we're going to be in trouble.

NS made the mistake of dealing away youth for vets after winning a cup.

Sather started the same trend after getting to the ECF.

Dubi, Arty and the 2013 1st for Nash

2014, 15 1sts for St. Louis

We are a better than average middle of the pack team that is on a good run right now.

No insult to what they are doing. But I'm big believer that this team can sustain this level of play for multiple seasons.

And hey, if you are OK with mediocre hockey with the odd playoff pushes, that's fine.

I just look at the depth of the organization and do not see sustainability

 

[NickyFotiu]

Fair enough, but then how you can argue against those of us who would like to see Sather leave?

For me, it isn't a matter of being happy with the last 3 years. It's a matter of not trusting Sather. He's spent a lot of time earning that mistrust and I feel his recent success is due more to Gorton's influence than anything else.

I'm not arguing with you really. You are stating your opinion and I'm stating my opinion. If we all thought the same it would be a pretty boring conversation. If you do not trust Slats that is fine. I actually feel confidence in him. My confidence is based on us being only 1 of 2 teams to make the playoffs in the east 8 of the last 9 seasons. My confidence is based on us making the ECF in 2 of the last 3 seasons. I think we are going to the Cup finals this season. Do we have a perfect team? No. Do we have a good team? In my opinion we do. We have had some tough breaks as well. Cherpys death was hard. Sauers concussions were hard. Nash and Staal also having concussions set us back. But at the end of the day we are going to the cup. Thats the bottom line. There are around 28 other fan bases looking up at our team and wishing they were in our spot.

 

[Baumer582]

I might not be as old as you, but I think you mean the early parts of 2000. Gretzky left in 1999. Based of that, in terms of what you mention as the handiwork od Smith's is Sather's. If you want to include Neil Smith, because of him the team sucked for 2 years after prolonged success relying upon solely free agency. Under Sather, we didnt get good until after the lockout. i think thats roughly 5 years. Just saying.

We had a bunch of top picks whom Sather inherited and couldn't develop because he went after guys who according to you were past their prime (See Pavel Brendl and Jamie Lundmark). He got some decent picks he either traded away for vets or squandered (see Dan blackburn).

In terms of layng everything of what I like to call the Ranger's Dark at Neil Smith's feet, is bit of a fallacy that I think MSG created when they brought in Sather that he would be a messiah of sorts which I think still lingers. just saying.

Yes, I am well aware Gretzky left in '99 and Sather took over in June of 2000. I am also aware that Brendl and Lundmark were Smith's picks, and while I blame him for the terrible Lundmark pick, I don't blame him for Brendl... Brendl should have been an absolute superstar, but the knock on him was he was lazy and a jerk, and that proved to be true. I don't fault Sather for trading him either.

And as far as the early Sather years, he came to a team that still had Richter and Leetch, but nothing else. No young player in the pipeline (besides Brendl) or tradeable assets to start a rebuild. So he did the only thing a Ranger team then could do: he bought every player he could. That's why he brought in Lindros and Bure through trades, that's why he signed Holik and Kasparitis. And when that failed miserably, he blew it up. He was pretty classless in how he handled the Leetch trade, I'll give you that. But he said "we got Jagr for nothing, let's build around him and start over" And so he did. It took some time (ask Blackhawk fans about a rebuild), but here we are.

To me, he spent 4 seasons trying to buy his way out of Neil Smith's mess, and when that failed, he started over, and since then, they have been contenders. And recently, as these prospects he brought in have matured and been worth something to the team or as trade bait, they've been even better.

I call that a success. Not a flawless, give this guy a statue success, but a success nonetheless.

 

[bagh]

McD just signed a 6 year contract. Slats has never given a new contract in a situation like that. I do not even think he is allowed.

It is actually allowed. A contract can be max 6 years and you cant renegotiate during the life of the contract, BUT YOU CAN NEGOTIATE AN EXTENSION. As I alluded to earlier, NHL agents are trying to see if they can get around that by getting their clients extensions. Nobody has tried it yet given the CBA just got negotiate recently, but if you remember, it took a couple of years before teams and agents got cute with the last CBA and tried to get around the rules with those crazy contracts ala Kovalchuk. I think in a year or so, you should see the same.

How many 30-40 goal scorers are in this league. Ranger fans may be down on Nash but that does not mean that Nash has no value to other teams GMs. Nash was even just chosen for the Olympic team by Yzermen.

You are right. There are not that many 30 goal scorrs available, but guess what in a year Kane and Toews are both free agents. If I am a GM, do I want Nash or do I go after those guys. Also, again, he is now developing a history of concussions, name me a GM who will take risk on guys with concussions that aren't Glen Sather.


As for the Yzerman pick, dude, Team Canada lacks Right Wingers. All we got are Centres some of whom can play the wing primarily the left wing. There is a reason guys like Kunitz and Sharp were picked on top of the teammate connection. They are all natural wingers.

 

[Baumer582]

I will not blame him for 98-99-00. However the barren farm system he inherited, started to get emptied in the 95-96-97 seasons.

So, here we are with a legit shot at a Cup Finals appearance and I am happy for that, but taking a gander over the system that we have and it's pretty crappy.

Do I think 01-02-03-04 are more important? No. I don't think that they are any LESS important.

We are on a good run. I am enjoying this a great deal. I'm not the least bit convinced that this level of success for this team is sustainable and with out a feeder system porperly stocked, I think we're going to be in trouble.

NS made the mistake of dealing away youth for vets after winning a cup.

Sather started the same trend after getting to the ECF.

Dubi, Arty and the 2013 1st for Nash

2014, 15 1sts for St. Louis

We are a better than average middle of the pack team that is on a good run right now.

No insult to what they are doing. But I'm big believer that this team can sustain this level of play for multiple seasons.

And hey, if you are OK with mediocre hockey with the odd playoff pushes, that's fine.

I just look at the depth of the organization and do not see sustainability

I can see your concern about trading some picks for MSL. I don't agree with your point about the Nash trade because those guys were lovable grinders, nothing more.

The future is now, and that's why those trades were made. Your best prospects are here, and why not go for it..

My only hope is that unlike Neil Smith who killed the farm in every desperate attempt to win again, Glen Sather and his successors will still maintain a young prospect pool that they can turn to. THAT is the key to sustained success.

 

[NickyFotiu]

It is actually allowed. A contract can be max 6 years and you cant renegotiate during the life of the contract, BUT YOU CAN NEGOTIATE AN EXTENSION. As I alluded to earlier, NHL agents are trying to see if they can get around that by getting their clients extensions. Nobody has tried it yet given the CBA just got negotiate recently, but if you remember, it took a couple of years before teams and agents got cute with the last CBA and tried to get around the rules with those crazy contracts ala Kovalchuk. I think in a year or so, you should see the same.




You are right. There are not that many 30 goal scorrs available, but guess what in a year Kane and Toews are both free agents. If I am a GM, do I want Nash or do I go after those guys. Also, again, he is now developing a history of concussions, name me a GM who will take risk on guys with concussions that aren't Glen Sather.


As for the Yzerman pick, dude, Team Canada lacks Right Wingers. All we got are Centres some of whom can play the wing primarily the left wing. There is a reason guys like Kunitz and Sharp were picked on top of the teammate connection. They are all natural wingers.

McD is locked up to the Rangers for 6 years at 4.7 mill. That is the fact not speculation of what some agents may or may not try in the future. I will worry about 2020 when we get closer to it.

There are 30 teams in the NHL. There are very few Kanes and Toews. Whether or not they become available at some point does not mean there is no market for Nash. Nash did not have concusions when we traded for him. There are teams that will trade for a good goal scorer with concusions. If memory serves me correctly one helped the Kings win a cup after being traded twice. Are you telling me that Yzerman picked Nash because he could not find any other wingers in all of Canada? He couldn't have picked Nash because Nash is a big strong skilled hockey player with a history of production?

 

[mjdlight]

I can see your concern about trading some picks for MSL. I don't agree with your point about the Nash trade because those guys were lovable grinders, nothing more.

The future is now, and that's why those trades were made. Your best prospects are here, and why not go for it..

My only hope is that unlike Neil Smith who killed the farm in every desperate attempt to win again, Glen Sather and his successors will still maintain a young prospect pool that they can turn to. THAT is the key to sustained success.

oh the humanity of the post-Cup Smith days....

The New York Times, September 1, 1995

RANGERS TRADE ZUBOV AND NEDVED

By Joe LaPointe

In a continued and perhaps desperate quest for another Stanley Cup championship before the end of the Mark Messier era, the Rangers made a major multiplayer trade yesterday. They filled two of their biggest present needs while gambling with their future and increasing their payroll.

The Rangers sent two talented young players, Sergei Zubov and Petr Nedved, to the Pittsburgh Penguins. In exchange, they got two talented older players, Ulf Samuelsson and Luc Robitaille.

Zubov and Nedved were frequently blamed for the team's disappointing performance last season; Samuelsson and Robitaille are well-known stars with clearly defined reputations and strong personalities.

One key theme is age. Samuelsson is 31 years old and Robitaille turns 30 on Feb. 17. Other key additions to the Rangers this summer have been Ray Ferraro, 31; Bruce Driver, 33, and Wayne Presley, 30. They join Messier, the 34-year-old captain, on a roster that is likely to include at least six other players at least 30 years old.
Neil Smith, the team's president and general manager, conceded that management was still building around Messier, who led the Rangers to the cup in 1994.

"We certainly want to give him every available chance to be successful before his career is over," Smith said. "We're trying to do everything possible to surround Mark."

Smith quickly added that the new players also would surround Adam Graves, Mike Richter and Brian Leetch, the three younger stars of the team.

Samuelsson's assessment was most blunt.

"It's nice to come to a team that is really going for it; that's really the bottom line," he said of the trade. "They are acquiring some expensive players, which means they are putting everything on winning the cup this year or in the near future. They are not rebuilding or regrouping or whatever you want to call it. They are going for it right now."

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

If Sather's team wins the cup, all the BS from the past will be more tolerable and his legacy will be looked at far differently.

What happens over the next few weeks is huge. A trip to the finals considering all hes done to mortgage the future of the organization in an attempt to win now just won't do it. Cup or (continue to) bust for Sather.

 

[Baumer582]

oh the humanity of the post-Cup Smith days....

The New York Times, September 1, 1995

RANGERS TRADE ZUBOV AND NEDVED

By Joe LaPointe

In a continued and perhaps desperate quest for another Stanley Cup championship before the end of the Mark Messier era, the Rangers made a major multiplayer trade yesterday. They filled two of their biggest present needs while gambling with their future and increasing their payroll.

The Rangers sent two talented young players, Sergei Zubov and Petr Nedved, to the Pittsburgh Penguins. In exchange, they got two talented older players, Ulf Samuelsson and Luc Robitaille.

Zubov and Nedved were frequently blamed for the team's disappointing performance last season; Samuelsson and Robitaille are well-known stars with clearly defined reputations and strong personalities.

One key theme is age. Samuelsson is 31 years old and Robitaille turns 30 on Feb. 17. Other key additions to the Rangers this summer have been Ray Ferraro, 31; Bruce Driver, 33, and Wayne Presley, 30. They join Messier, the 34-year-old captain, on a roster that is likely to include at least six other players at least 30 years old.
Neil Smith, the team's president and general manager, conceded that management was still building around Messier, who led the Rangers to the cup in 1994.

"We certainly want to give him every available chance to be successful before his career is over," Smith said. "We're trying to do everything possible to surround Mark."

Smith quickly added that the new players also would surround Adam Graves, Mike Richter and Brian Leetch, the three younger stars of the team.

Samuelsson's assessment was most blunt.

"It's nice to come to a team that is really going for it; that's really the bottom line," he said of the trade. "They are acquiring some expensive players, which means they are putting everything on winning the cup this year or in the near future. They are not rebuilding or regrouping or whatever you want to call it. They are going for it right now."

I'm the wrong person to comment on that trade, because I shamelessly admit that Luc Robitaille is my all time favorite player next to Brian Leetch. Yes he sucked, but man was he a great scoring winger outside of his time here.

But looking at that trade objectively, yeesh.

See what we're talking about? Desperate and misguided moves to re-create '94 without any semblance of prospect development.. That trade could have worked if they kept building the prospect pool, but they didn't, and that goes down as a bad trade because there was never any replacement for Zubov down below.

I was very happy when it down though. Lucky Luc and the Ox !

 

[Baumer582]

Also to be fair, that Zubov/Nedved trade resulted in a great NYR team in 95-96. They were first place all season until a late season stumble. Messier and Verbeek had great chemistry.

But like I said, they still had no replacements.

This Sather team is different. Whether they do anything in the future or not, they still have the likes of Kristo/Duclair/Lindberg in the minors, and their young players now on the team are very young and have (hopefully) bright futures ahead of them.

Go for it, but be mindful of the young talent you need to develop. Sather has done a MUCH better job at that than Neil Smith did

 

[Baumer582]

If Sather's team wins the cup, all the BS from the past will be more tolerable and his legacy will be looked at far differently.

What happens over the next few weeks is huge. A trip to the finals considering all hes done to mortgage the future of the organization in an attempt to win now just won't do it. Cup or (continue to) bust for Sather.

What future did he mortgage?

Two 1st rounders for MSL? You can't debate that until you see who those picks are, and that will take years.

Dubinsky/Anisimov/Callahan? We've already seen their ceiling. It's called a sputtering playoff exit.

He moved those assets for better players. He kept Kreider/Kristo/Zucc/Lindberg/Duclair/Miller

Add Kreider to McD and Staal, as well as the attaining of a young asset like John Moore and you have a guy who has built a team of young players augmented by older stars like Rick Nash/MSL/Richards

There is no comparison to Neil Smith, nor is there any mortgaging of the future. Again, the man ain't perfect, but the bellyaching about Sather needs to stop. This isn't a team of 35 year old vets. It's a good mix of experience, speed, talent, and a great defense. People need to stop thinking of Wade Redden and appreciate what they have.

 

[Fletch]

ugh, I remember that trade well, although I admit I didn't like Nedved one bit. The feeling was the team needed to get tougher (Samuelsson), and the team did need to get tougher. The problem with many of the trades the Rangers seemed to have made was they traded for quality players, many of whom had something left in the tank, but lacked the quality coach, as well as a stable base, and finally, the players did not fit well into the system. I remember Kovalev coming back from the Pens. Kovalev did well playing right wing and on the PP point. He came to the Rangers and played left wing and didn't play the point. My thing always was, you need to replicate the situation in which a player had their success to expect a similar type of success. The Rangers just added people without thinking where they actually belonged. Those '90s led to some dark days! Ugh, the names...

 

[mjdlight]

I'm the wrong person to comment on that trade, because I shamelessly admit that Luc Robitaille is my all time favorite player next to Brian Leetch. Yes he sucked, but man was he a great scoring winger outside of his time here.

But looking at that trade objectively, yeesh.

See what we're talking about? Desperate and misguided moves to re-create '94 without any semblance of prospect development.. That trade could have worked if they kept building the prospect pool, but they didn't, and that goes down as a bad trade because there was never any replacement for Zubov down below.

I was very happy when it down though. Lucky Luc and the Ox !

I did love Ulf, I must admit. And at least it brought him into the Rangers organization, because he's turned out to be a heck of a coach for us...

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

What future did he mortgage?

Two 1st rounders for MSL? You can't debate that until you see who those picks are, and that will take years.

Dubinsky/Anisimov/Callahan? We've already seen their ceiling. It's called a sputtering playoff exit.

He moved those assets for better players. He kept Kreider/Kristo/Zucc/Lindberg/Duclair/Miller

Add Kreider to McD and Staal, as well as the attaining of a young asset like John Moore and you have a guy who has built a team of young players augmented by older stars like Rick Nash/MSL/Richards

There is no comparison to Neil Smith, nor is there any mortgaging of the future. Again, the man ain't perfect, but the bellyaching about Sather needs to stop. This isn't a team of 35 year old vets. It's a good mix of experience, speed, talent, and a great defense. People need to stop thinking of Wade Redden and appreciate what they have.

The reality is that the Rangers find themselves with limited picks and amongst the worst farm systems in the league at this point.

With a cup, I can deal with it.

Without one, its a mess.

 

[Baumer582]

The reality is that the Rangers find themselves with limited picks and amongst the worst farm systems in the league at this point.

With a cup, I can deal with it.

Without one, its a mess.

I can see the concern, as there are similarities to 1994 in how the team was built...

To me, a farm system can't be terrible if your best prospects are now playing on the team. That's the whole point.

The key will be the next few drafts and how they do. If the team makes it the Finals and they spend the next 3 years trading everyone to recreate that season, then you are right and I am wrong and it's Neil Smith Part Deux.

But as long as they still maintain a young prospect core and continually try to rebuild it and not trade every young asset for a last gasp chance at success, they will be fine.

The jury is still out for both of us though.

 

[Vidic15*]

Not even close to being the same situation we had under Smith. Our scouting system was non-existent under Smith. It's pretty apparent our budget for free agents came at the expense of our draft department at that time. Things are different now as our solid draft record suggests.

 

[NikC]

Im looking for McIlrath to make the roster next season.

How far off is Skeij?

 

[ltrangerfan]

What future did he mortgage?

Two 1st rounders for MSL? You can't debate that until you see who those picks are, and that will take years.

Dubinsky/Anisimov/Callahan? We've already seen their ceiling. It's called a sputtering playoff exit.

He moved those assets for better players. He kept Kreider/Kristo/Zucc/Lindberg/Duclair/Miller

Add Kreider to McD and Staal, as well as the attaining of a young asset like John Moore and you have a guy who has built a team of young players augmented by older stars like Rick Nash/MSL/Richards

There is no comparison to Neil Smith, nor is there any mortgaging of the future. Again, the man ain't perfect, but the bellyaching about Sather needs to stop. This isn't a team of 35 year old vets. It's a good mix of experience, speed, talent, and a great defense. People need to stop thinking of Wade Redden and appreciate what they have.

It's amazing but... the tone of this thread would be vastly different if the Rangers weren't still playing on May 22.

IMO: This is a team that is somewhat above average perhaps peaking at the correct time. IMO Sather has been given orders to assemble competitive team every year. As we discussed many times before, tanking is not an option in NY. Getting far into the playoffs is a bonus. Growing revenues on a consistent basis is the mandate. If the goalie gets too old and there is no prospect then pick up the high priced free agent goalie. That's what Sather would do and IMO that's the mandate for the next GM. IMO Sather has performed his fuction well enough.

Maybe I could argue that the Rangers might have drafted a bit better? They certainly had a better chance if they were a cellar dweller. However, we're back to the conversation that this is NYC and so It isn't likely to happen. Sure Sather has picked up his duds (huge contracts). Redden, Drury, Gomez, Kaspariitus, holik, etc. Sather's goal was to improve the team and move it towards mediocrity at the very least. Anything more was a bonus. The pickups didn't work but the pressure to improve quickly and sell tickets often works against the team. Clearly, the MCD trade was a windfall. Clearly, picking up Girardi, Stral, Moore, and Klein (even if Sather gave up a future NOrris trophy winner in MDZ) weren't terrible moves. Hiring Av's wasn't terrible. Getting Dom moore, Boyle, Puliot, Zucc, etc won't put him in too many dog houses. He did pickup a few in the draft, Stepan, Hags, Kreider, so the team has a bit of balance. Was Nash a vast overpayment? I liked the trade when announced. I thought the team gave up easily replaceable players. Was Nash an overpaid player? To date.... probably. Then again if he had a first line center who could attract attention then maybe two players and the #1 D's wouldn't be hanging over him. Anyway, this isn't a Nash debate.

As far as mortgaging the future by trading away middling first round draft picks? I have found that after the first few picks that the draft lessens in importance. A team can always pay up in the free agent market to acquire middling players. I would make the deal for St Louis all over again for picks believing this team is always in win now mode.

This whole tone of this thread would be radically different if the team was gone by now. The bus ticket sending Sather out of town would
already have been purchased. Every GM takes risks and mistakes will happen. I believe Sather has done the job that was requested of him.

PS : The MDZ / KLEIN deal had to be made no matter how it worked out. Now it appears to be Sather Coup for this year at least.

 

[Ghost of jas]

It's amazing but... the tone of this thread would be vastly different if the Rangers weren't still playing on May 22.

IMO: This is a team that is somewhat above average perhaps peaking at the correct time. IMO Sather has been given orders to assemble competitive team every year. As we discussed many times before, tanking is not an option in NY. Getting far into the playoffs is a bonus. Growing revenues on a consistent basis is the mandate. If the goalie gets too old and there is no prospect then pick up the high priced free agent goalie. That's what Sather would do and IMO that's the mandate for the next GM. IMO Sather has performed his fuction well enough.

Maybe I could argue that the Rangers might have drafted a bit better? They certainly had a better chance if they were a cellar dweller. However, we're back to the conversation that this is NYC and so It isn't likely to happen. Sure Sather has picked up his duds (huge contracts). Redden, Drury, Gomez, Kaspariitus, holik, etc. Sather's goal was to improve the team and move it towards mediocrity at the very least. Anything more was a bonus. The pickups didn't work but the pressure to improve quickly and sell tickets often works against the team. Clearly, the MCD trade was a windfall. Clearly, picking up Girardi, Stral, Moore, and Klein (even if Sather gave up a future NOrris trophy winner in MDZ) weren't terrible moves. Hiring Av's wasn't terrible. Getting Dom moore, Boyle, Puliot, Zucc, etc won't put him in too many dog houses. He did pickup a few in the draft, Stepan, Hags, Kreider, so the team has a bit of balance. Was Nash a vast overpayment? I liked the trade when announced. I thought the team gave up easily replaceable players. Was Nash an overpaid player? To date.... probably. Then again if he had a first line center who could attract attention then maybe two players and the #1 D's wouldn't be hanging over him. Anyway, this isn't a Nash debate.

As far as mortgaging the future by trading away middling first round draft picks? I have found that after the first few picks that the draft lessens in importance. A team can always pay up in the free agent market to acquire middling players. I would make the deal for St Louis all over again for picks believing this team is always in win now mode.

This whole tone of this thread would be radically different if the team was gone by now. The bus ticket sending Sather out of town would
already have been purchased. Every GM takes risks and mistakes will happen. I believe Sather has done the job that was requested of him.

PS : The MDZ / KLEIN deal had to be made no matter how it worked out. Now it appears to be Sather Coup for this year at least.

So what you're saying is that results matter.

 

[ltrangerfan]

So what you're saying is that results matter.

If this team was knocked out early, many fans would be unhappy and mgt would still look at it as an acceptable year. This year is just a bonus. My opinion is that Sather did the job management wanted and achieved enough results. Fans expectations are higher.

 

[Beacon]

Who wants to fire Slats now?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Odd this thread was dormant after Game 5........

 

[BBKers]

Who wants to fire Slats now?

I do
I also started this thread
OTOH I also started The "SCF here we come thread"
Talk about mixed feelings and dual personality
You cannot love what you love to hate

Just win it all & have him retire then
Win/win