Post-Game Talk: Fire Everyone

[McRanger92]

All these dramatic moves everyone wants to see happen, I get it it but this isn't the organization that's ripping letters off guys jerseys or banishing starts to Hartford. That stuff is old school where ownership is invested in more ways than just financially. This is a corporation with HR values.

That's why we havent sniffed a Cup since 94. Zero accountability as long as the check clears. They have a roster full of veterans on big contracts quiet quitting because the team didnt warn Barclay Goodrow he was being put on waivers in a timely enough manner for them.

 

[94leetch]

That's why we havent sniffed a Cup since 94. Zero accountability as long as the check clears. They have a roster full of veterans on big contracts quiet quitting because the team didnt warn Barclay Goodrow he was being put on waivers in a timely enough manner for them.

It's a mess .

 

[noncents]

What has he done to earn such a benefit of the doubt from you?

your question doesn't make sense to me. You don't seem to be separating what you *want* to happen from what you think is actually plausible.

I'm not giving the player the benefit of the doubt in terms of estimating his ability to contribute to a championship.

I'm saying I dont think a trade will happen soon, for several reasons. You're just saying the Kreider era is over because you're sick of watching him.

 

[mxyxptlk]

This is the problem. The players themselves are talented. The *team* itself, as constructed, is not talented -- it's hot garbage


I would love nothing more than this team to fall the f*** apart and miss the playoffs with this roster just to expose what a shit GM Gorton was

Haven't you heard the latest: it's all Drury's fault.

 

[McRanger92]

your question doesn't make sense to me. You don't seem to be separating what you *want* to happen from what you think is actually plausible.

I'm not giving the player the benefit of the doubt in terms of estimating his ability to contribute to a championship.

I'm saying I dont think a trade will happen soon, for several reasons. You're just saying the Kreider era is over because you're sick of watching him.

The GM and players have told us loud and clear this era of Rangers hockey is over. The GM with the trade memo, and the players with their pathetic response to it. Kreider and Trouba and Mika and the like may play more games for the team but there is no chance they are winning a Cup with this group intact and they'll be shipped out before long. And yes I do think it will be good riddance.

 

[CLW]

This team would rather win a game 5-4 making 40 cross seam passes then winning a tough 2-1 game. That's why they won't be Champions.

Look at the Panthers under Q/Brunette and then Maurice. They went from 5-4 games to 3-2 and 2-1 slobberknocker games. Full team commitment.

We got 18 individuals floating around aimlessly.

That commitment was something else. The Panthers clashed with Maurice when he came in the door for the first few months until Maurice capitulated, or they reached some kind of truce. The players essentially told him "shut up we got this" and they did. Q and Brunette set the foundation. They gave the players direction.

NYR players floating around is on coaching. What the hell was that first goal last night e.g. Same story as against the Devils in the playoffs two years ago. Nothing's been fixed.

We have talented individuals and players good enough for the NHL, but we don't have a foundation in basics, the team's fundamentals suck. We don't have solid leadership and a united team (again coaching is partly to blame for coddling the vets) etc. I'm sure the players get along as people but there's more to leadership than that.

Someone said "what's left now - to root for the kids"? Welcome to the club. This leadership core has sucked the oxygen out of the team for years. That's one of the many issues this team has and that's residue from rushing the rebuild and that's on management. So here we are.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

He does not have leadership capabilities in him.....his body language and lack of effort show it almost every game . If he could bring back Tkachuk I would drive him back to Canada in a heartbeat .

Yes the Senators under Tkachuk's leadership have been so successful.

 

[McRanger92]

Yes the Senators under Tkachuk's leadership have been so successful.

A stacked Calgary team never won anything with Matthew Tkachuk. Im not saying trade everything for him but Ottawa has been a dumpster fire for a decade. Hardly Brady's fault.

 

[LOFIN]

Didn't expect a win, just hoped that they wouldn't embarrass themselves. But even that was a tall task it seems.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

A stacked Calgary team never won anything with Matthew Tkachuk. Im not saying trade everything for him but Ottawa has been a dumpster fire for a decade. Hardly Brady's fault.

And yet the losing is put on Laf's shoulders somehow by Leetch who has a hatred for him.

 

[McRanger92]

And yet the losing is put on Laf's shoulders somehow by Leetch who has a hatred for him.

I'll say this, the Rangers need to give the team over to Lafreniere soon, or they might as well trade him. You dont give the only 1OA pick in your franchise's history that contract and still refuse to give him PP time. Terrible message to send to the locker room.

 

[Machinehead]

Tkachuk is kind of a baby. The type of player that will completely blow a backcheck because he's yelling at the ref.

A good player who sure as hell can spark and offense and a forecheck, but his ability to lead a team is overrated and entirely based on vibes.

If you can show me a realistic trade where you got him, sure. Again, he's a very good player. I'm not going to turn down a good player. If you expect him to come here and be Goku or whatever the f***, you're gonna have a bad time. He wouldn't be my captain if we did get him.

The Senators are bad with him because they're a bad team, and we'll continue to be a bad team if we don't overhaul the roster.

 

[CLW]

The captain of the team does not care anymore. He's quit on the team. How can they move forward if that isn't rectified? Not to mention he is the worst defenseman on the team, outside of Lindgren. They should waive Trouba like Goodrow. That's how you answer back on a guy who is holding the team hostage. If no one claims him let him go to Hartford or sit out and let his agent find a team he wants to play for. It's an untenable situation that Drury never shouldve let get this far. He needs to be gone before we start dealing with the rest of the rot.

You can say that Trouba had the right to do what he did last summer. At the same time it's undeniable that he has f***ed up the life of many other people who will now lose their jobs and have to move to other cities in no small part because of his selfishness. Read the room, dude. Some "captain".

 

[will1066]

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You can say that Trouba had the right to do what he did last summer. At the same time it's undeniable that he has f***ed up the life of many other people who will now lose their jobs and have to move to other cities in no small part because of his selfishness. Read the room, dude. Some "captain".

This organization bent over backwards for him with an undeserved contract that he never lived up to. And this is how the mother f***ed repaid them. f*** him.

 

[CLW]

Tkachuk is kind of a baby. The type of player that will completely blow a backcheck because he's yelling at the ref.

A good player who sure as hell can spark and offense and a forecheck, but his ability to lead a team is overrated and entirely based on vibes.

If you can show me a realistic trade where you got him, sure. Again, he's a very good player. I'm not going to turn down a good player. If you expect him to come here and be Goku or whatever the f***, you're gonna have a bad time. He wouldn't be my captain if we did get him.

The Senators are bad with him because they're a bad team, and we'll continue to be a bad team if we don't overhaul the roster.

I'm sceptical of Brady's leadership qualities. He comes off as dumb and obnoxious. Being loud and obnoxious is not leadership even if it seems a lot of people think so. Also he's yet another winger (I call it YAW); the Rangers need an actual 1C. That's one of the many lessons this failed rebuild has rubbed in like salt in a wound.

 

[McRanger92]

You can say that Trouba had the right to do what he did last summer. At the same time it's undeniable that he has f***ed up the life of many other people who will now lose their jobs and have to move to other cities in no small part because of his selfishness. Read the room, dude. Some "captain".

Easily the worst captain the Rangers have had in my lifetime. Guy couldnt even read the room enough to square up with Tom Wilson on opening day in 2021. Never played physical enough to justify his standing and 100 helmet tosses was never going to get Mika, Kreider and Panarin to up the compete level enough to succeed every night as a 5v5 team. Seems like a good human being and appreciate the charitable aspect of the art he's done, but spending your summer doing that coming off that embarrassing Devils series was always a horrible look.

 

[Boris Zubov]

And yet the losing is put on Laf's shoulders somehow by Leetch who has a hatred for him.

I certainly don't hate Laf, but you'd have to blind to notice he's been checked out since he got paid. Coincidence or not, he's back to being that disengaged kid who doesn't move his feet & is allergic to defense.

You'd also have to be one incredible homer not to see that a hypothetical trade of Laf for Brady one for one is a giant win for the Rangers.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

NYR players floating around is on coaching. What the hell was that first goal last night e.g. Same story as against the Devils in the playoffs two years ago. Nothing's been fixed.

The first goal was due to Zibs & Schneider leading a rush, losing possession, and the Laf (as the third forward) and Panarin (as a defenseman - he was covering for Schneider) not committing to defense quickly enough. The result was a good pass from the NJD defense to a forward (Bratt I think) in the NZ & and a 2-on-1 rush. The shot came from the guy carrying the puck.

EDIT - It was Chytil not Zibs

 

[Machinehead]

I'm sceptical of Brady's leadership qualities. He comes off as dumb and obnoxious. Being loud and obnoxious is not leadership even if it seems a lot of people think so. Also he's yet another winger (I call it YAW); the Rangers need an actual 1C. That's one of the many lessons this failed rebuild has rubbed in like salt in a wound.

Very much a "grass is greener" type. If he were here, people would be complaining.

Also, he hung out with his brother all summer and played golf. I think to an extent, people want players without hobbies. There aren't any of those. They're real humans.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Very much a "grass is greener" type. If he were here, people would be complaining.

Also, he hung out with his brother all summer and played golf. I think to an extent, people want players without hobbies. There aren't any of those. They're real humans.

Only a few would be complaining, like the ones who didn't like DeAngelo.

With the majority of the fan base he would be an instant fan favorite.

 

[McRanger92]

I certainly don't hate Laf, but you'd have to blind to notice he's been checked out since he got paid. Coincidence or not, he's back to being that disengaged kid who doesn't move his feet & is allergic to defense.

You'd have to be one incredible homer not to see that a theoretical trade of Laf for Brady one for one is a giant win for the Rangers.

Rangers are a below .500 team since they signed Laf to that contract. Draw your own conclusions but none of them are particularly good. Im betting there are vets in the locker room who didnt like seeing the kid get paid before Igor. Im also betting some young guys are a bit disillusioned that they continue to not get more ice time.

 

[CLW]

I certainly don't hate Laf, but you'd have to blind to notice he's been checked out since he got paid. Coincidence or not, he's back to being that disengaged kid who doesn't move his feet & is allergic to defense.

You'd also have to be one incredible homer not to see that a hypothetical trade of Laf for Brady one for one is a giant win for the Rangers.

That he's been checked out is a huge alarm bell regardless of the Brady situation in Ottawa.

 

[CLW]

The first goal was due to Zibs & Schneider leading a rush, losing possession, and the Laf (as the third forward) and Panarin (as a defenseman - he was covering for Schneider) not committing to defense quickly enough. The result was a good pass from the NJD defense to a forward (Bratt I think) in the NZ & and a 2-on-1 rush. The shot came from the guy carrying the puck.

Yeah it was Fil, not Zib. When the Rangers lost the puck Fil took a huge circle behind the Devil's net and left the middle of the ice wide open. Laffy and Bread were in no man's land. Just awful all around. Fil shouldn't be playing I'm sure but...

 

[will1066]

The root cause of Laf's issues is still Lavi breaking up the lines to try and get Kreider and Zibanejad going. He was still producing up until that time. It wasn't great, but he was still putting pucks in the net while semi engaged with Panarin and Trocheck. Tro had some early chemistry with Smith but that died, and he's looked lost also since then. The line blendering has not had a positive effect but actually a cataclysmic one.