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Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

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Should the Sens fire DJ Smith?

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aragorn said:
And I assume they will be buying the Belleville Sens as well given they are the farm club & owned presently by the Melnyk estate. Obviously they will start at the top & work it's way down, but as you say everything will take time & not something anyone should just do haphazardly. Do they come in with a plan in mind & start replacing people? I doubt that, there will be a learning curve which could go into next yr & decisions made as warranted.
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Agreed. I’d like to see the approach where they identify what could use a change, and then take the time to find the best person to make the change.
 
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What a genius timeout by Deboer to rest his top guys on PP to go back out 2nd minute and they score.

You'd never see tactical thinking like that from DJ.

He would send out Watson and Kastelic without thinking twice.
 
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ReginKarlssonLehner said:
What a genius timeout by Deboer to rest his top guys on PP to go back out 2nd minute and they score.

You'd never see tactical thinking like that from DJ.

He would send out Watson and Kastelic without thinking twice.
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We have seen him do just that, didn't he call a time out in a game at some point during the last 10 games or so where he gathered the troops & scored the goal to take them into OV & won it in OV. My memory is vague at best though, maybe someone else remembers.
 
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Not enough time for structural management changes. Would have needed to happen prior to the draft and free agency.

Don’t think there is any chance changes are made this season, ownership change won’t be happening until after the UFA period begins. Don’t see how on earth that could be settled prior.
 
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ReginKarlssonLehner said:
What a genius timeout by Deboer to rest his top guys on PP to go back out 2nd minute and they score.

You'd never see tactical thinking like that from DJ.

He would send out Watson and Kastelic without thinking twice.
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I put Deboer in the group of elite coaches

Heard through the grapevine he was going to be the hire in 2008 but backed out after meeting Melnyk

We ended up with the horrible Hartsburg

What could have been, who knows :walrus:
 
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GinreiKojaku said:
I put Deboer in the group of elite coaches

Heard through the grapevine he was going to be the hire in 2008 but backed out after meeting Melnyk

We ended up with the horrible Hartsburg

What could have been, who knows :walrus:
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Wasn't that the barking incident? 😀

Idk, DeBoer hasn't really been successful at the NHL level. Seems to have about a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs
 
BondraTime said:
Not enough time for structural management changes. Would have needed to happen prior to the draft and free agency.

Don’t think there is any chance changes are made this season, ownership change won’t be happening until after the UFA period begins. Don’t see how on earth that could be settled prior.
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They could just fire Dorion and make Bowmess interim GM. I'd be all for that decision.

JD1 said:
Wasn't that the barking incident? 😀

Idk, DeBoer hasn't really been successful at the NHL level. Seems to have about a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs
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He's been to 2 cup finals with different teams. Multiple conference finals. His teams almost always over achieve based on their rosters. I am not sure if you're serious or not here. Out of his 15 seasons he only has 4 losing ones.. Was an amazing jr coach as well. He wins wherever he goes. I'd take him here in a second.
 
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bert said:
They could just fire Dorion and make Bowmess interim GM. I'd be all for that decision.


He's been to 2 cup finals with different teams. Multiple conference finals. His teams almost always over achieve based on their rosters. I am not sure if you're serious or not here. Out of his 15 seasons he only has 4 losing ones.. Was an amazing jr coach as well. He wins wherever he goes. I'd take him here in a second.
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Only one coach wins every year and it's never been DeBoer.

3 years in Florida, never made the playoffs. Got fired.

Goes to Jersey. Big bump. Goes to finals. Loses. Then misses the playoffs for two years. Gets fired mid season in his 4th year.

So in his first 7 years, he makes the finals once with Brodeur in nets, misses the playoffs the other 6 years and gets fired twice.

He goes to a vet team in SJ. They don't win. Gets canned and hired mid season. That was weird. Lands in Vegas, two good playoffs. Misses. And is canned again.

15 years in the league. 6 times missed the playoffs on a full season. Twice fired mid season with his team obviously playing poorly. 8 times in 15 would have missed the playoffs

Idk. Some guys have big names. DeBoer to me is a bigger name than he is a coach.
 
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JD1 said:
Only one coach wins every year and it's never been DeBoer.

3 years in Florida, never made the playoffs. Got fired.

Goes to Jersey. Big bump. Goes to finals. Loses. Then misses the playoffs for two years. Gets fired mid season in his 4th year.

So in his first 7 years, he makes the finals once with Brodeur in nets, misses the playoffs the other 6 years and gets fired twice.

He goes to a vet team in SJ. They don't win. Gets canned and hired mid season. That was weird. Lands in Vegas, two good playoffs. Misses. And is canned again.

15 years in the league. 6 times missed the playoffs on a full season. Twice fired mid season with his team obviously playing poorly. 8 times in 15 would have missed the playoffs

Idk. Some guys have big names. DeBoer to me is a bigger name than he is a coach.
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For some perspective he has coached in the league for 15 years and gone to 2 SCF's. None with a big market. Sens have been around for 30 years and been to 1. He has more conference finals appearances too. The sens have missed the playoffs for 6 straight years he has missed them 6 times in 15. I think he's an upgrade.
 
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JD1 said:
Wasn't that the barking incident? 😀

Idk, DeBoer hasn't really been successful at the NHL level. Seems to have about a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs
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Uh maybe? Need more details

IDK he still has had way more success then any guy that's come through here, he does seem come up a window though
 
bert said:
For some perspective he has coached in the league for 15 years and gone to 2 SCF's. None with a big market. Sens have been around for 30 years and been to 1. He has more conference finals appearances too. The sens have missed the playoffs for 6 straight years he has missed them 6 times in 15. I think he's an upgrade.
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It's really 8 times in 15 because he was fired twice mid season in years where he wasn't going to make it.

I know he has a track record. But he's never won.

I think our team is ready to compete. As a matter of fact, I think we're going to barge right thru the front door with a spot locked up early. Either with or without DJ as a coach. I think the players are ready.

Imo it'll be a shame if we barge our way into the playoffs and there's a thunderous echo in here that all we needed was a better coach.

As you've said yourself many times....it takes time to learn. I think we're ready and next year we'll be 100+ points.

GinreiKojaku said:
Uh maybe? Need more details

IDK he still has had way more success then any guy that's come through here, he does seem come up a window though
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Didn't he interview with Melnyk in Barbados and Melnyk wanted to hear him bark and scream at the refs? As in "show me how you can yell" kinda thing. DeBoer thought he was crazy and backed out of the process
 
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JD1 said:
It's really 8 times in 15 because he was fired twice mid season in years where he wasn't going to make it.

I know he has a track record. But he's never won.

I think our team is ready to compete. As a matter of fact, I think we're going to barge right thru the front door with a spot locked up early. Either with or without DJ as a coach. I think the players are ready.

Imo it'll be a shame if we barge our way into the playoffs and there's a thunderous echo in here that all we needed was a better coach.

As you've said yourself many times....it takes time to learn. I think we're ready and next year we'll be 100+ points.


Didn't he interview with Melnyk in Barbados and Melnyk wanted to hear him bark and scream at the refs? As in "show me how you can yell" kinda thing. DeBoer thought he was crazy and backed out of the process
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He's won quite a bit actually. Stanley Cup or bust is your criteria for a coach? I dunno.

I wouldnt take the job if I was him either. Anyone that worked for Melnyk directly either was a yes man or in for quite the battle. B Murray handled it better than anyone.

The D core looks good to me now and I am fine with going with Soogard and Forsberg in nets. The playoffs right now are proving you dont need a big name in net. Plus the sens have bigger holes and no real assets to address such a volatile position.

I think this team needs 2 to 3 forwards before they are ready to take the next step and some luck with injuries. The Debrincat situation with Dorion does scare me as he tries to remedy or double down on a mistake. I just dont think they need a player like Debrincat assuming Norris is healthy and a natural progression from Pinto. They need a bunch of Arvidsson's/Killorn/Gaudreau/Iafallo/Cirelly types. Guys that are fast, hard to play against, good at 5 on 5 with high end motors. They basically need 3 of them before next year assuming Debrincat is gone.

I saw a trade concept of Debrincat for Copp a 1st and a 2nd. I dont hate that concept for a deal.
 
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Lol, now we don’t need DBC, and the trade was a mistake. More bottom six players is what we need.

Never change HFSens.
 
bicboi64 said:
As much as we need depth, Copp at his cap hit is a cap dump and Colin White-esque blackhole on our team.
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I mean he is way better than that, so no. In an 'off year' He still had 42 points in 82 games being a plus player on a team with a very poor 5 on 5 goal differential. He plays hard and is the type of player this team needs right now. The sens have the top end talent they need the middle guys like him. I dont like his contract later on but right now its fine if he is a 50 point player that is good both ways. Sens need to replenish their futures big time they literally have nothing coming and no picks.
 
bert said:
He's won quite a bit actually. Stanley Cup or bust is your criteria for a coach? I dunno.

I wouldnt take the job if I was him either. Anyone that worked for Melnyk directly either was a yes man or in for quite the battle. B Murray handled it better than anyone.

The D core looks good to me now and I am fine with going with Soogard and Forsberg in nets. The playoffs right now are proving you dont need a big name in net. Plus the sens have bigger holes and no real assets to address such a volatile position.

I think this team needs 2 to 3 forwards before they are ready to take the next step and some luck with injuries. The Debrincat situation with Dorion does scare me as he tries to remedy or double down on a mistake. I just dont think they need a player like Debrincat assuming Norris is healthy and a natural progression from Pinto. They need a bunch of Arvidsson's/Killorn/Gaudreau/Iafallo/Cirelly types. Guys that are fast, hard to play against, good at 5 on 5 with high end motors. They basically need 3 of them before next year assuming Debrincat is gone.

I saw a trade concept of Debrincat for Copp a 1st and a 2nd. I dont hate that concept for a deal.
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We are currently 2 D shy unless Brannstrom & Hamonic are signed or we go with JBD, Klevin, Thomson et al. I don't mind signing Brannstrom and Hamonic but I would certainly like to add a big tough experienced defender.

I would like to sign Debrincat to a long term deal such as $8M AAV or less for 6 years or more.

I agree we need to add forwards who are fast, hard to play against, good at 5-on-5, with high end motors, and preferably gritty and physical too. Our 4th line has some grit with Kastelic and Kelly but our 3rd line looks too soft to me (Pinto, Joseph and whoever).
 
bert said:
I mean he is way better than that, so no. In an 'off year' He still had 42 points in 82 games being a plus player on a team with a very poor 5 on 5 goal differential. He plays hard and is the type of player this team needs right now. The sens have the top end talent they need the middle guys like him. I dont like his contract later on but right now its fine if he is a 50 point player that is good both ways. Sens need to replenish their futures big time they literally have nothing coming and no picks.
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“Off year”, it was his career high. Not paying 5.6 for 5 years , and which centre position would he take.
 
bert said:
I mean he is way better than that, so no. In an 'off year' He still had 42 points in 82 games being a plus player on a team with a very poor 5 on 5 goal differential. He plays hard and is the type of player this team needs right now. The sens have the top end talent they need the middle guys like him. I dont like his contract later on but right now its fine if he is a 50 point player that is good both ways. Sens need to replenish their futures big time they literally have nothing coming and no picks.
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In one of the highest scoring seasons in recent memory, Copp had a career high of 42 points. Throughout his career he's averaged 35 points per season. For $5.6 million, his two way play isn't worth it given how meh his production is. Sure he can play on the wing as well, but there is cheaper and better depth players we can target. I do like the idea of getting some future to start stocking up the pipeline, but if we're dealing with detroit, we are better getting someone like Kubalik, Perron or Fabbri since they'll be cheaper and can score their worth. The extra cap room we have can be used for another need
 
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