Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

[LevelingSolo]

It's really 8 times in 15 because he was fired twice mid season in years where he wasn't going to make it.

I know he has a track record. But he's never won.

I think our team is ready to compete. As a matter of fact, I think we're going to barge right thru the front door with a spot locked up early. Either with or without DJ as a coach. I think the players are ready.

Imo it'll be a shame if we barge our way into the playoffs and there's a thunderous echo in here that all we needed was a better coach.

As you've said yourself many times....it takes time to learn. I think we're ready and next year we'll be 100+ points.


Didn't he interview with Melnyk in Barbados and Melnyk wanted to hear him bark and scream at the refs? As in "show me how you can yell" kinda thing. DeBoer thought he was crazy and backed out of the process

Heard he was hammed at out of his mind that is probably true lol

 

[bicboi64]

Interesting question! What does an "elite coach" look like from a results perspective?

That's a good question, I don't even know the metrics to answer that. I think I was judging DeBoer due to his lack of success in the post season, but he's had some deep runs and has made the playoffs quite a bit and the season he didn't with Vegas, they had loads of injury trouble but still was 9th in the west. I guess he's elite, I'd take him in a heart beat over DJ.

 

[Micklebot]

Didn't he interview with Melnyk in Barbados and Melnyk wanted to hear him bark and scream at the refs? As in "show me how you can yell" kinda thing. DeBoer thought he was crazy and backed out of the process

Lol, I hadn't heard that detail, but sadly it seems believable...

 

[bert]

“Off year”, it was his career high. Not paying 5.6 for 5 years , and which centre position would he take.

I mean why bother posting if you're not going to do any research at all? You're clearly unfamiliar. He plays all 3 forward positions. He's versatile. I don't know what people are expecting to get for Debrincat but a 1st 2nd and a useful player is a good return for a guy who can walk to UFA in a year. Pierre Dorion dealing from a position of weakness in a trade has a horrid track record. This would be a W.

In one of the highest scoring seasons in recent memory, Copp had a career high of 42 points. Throughout his career he's averaged 35 points per season. For $5.6 million, his two way play isn't worth it given how meh his production is. Sure he can play on the wing as well, but there is cheaper and better depth players we can target. I do like the idea of getting some future to start stocking up the pipeline, but if we're dealing with detroit, we are better getting someone like Kubalik, Perron or Fabbri since they'll be cheaper and can score their worth. The extra cap room we have can be used for another need

Again it wasnt a career high.. Did you miss the part where the sens get a 1st and 2nd round pick completely or are you ignoring that out of convenience? No one is giving them two picks that high without taking some money back. Copp is a much better player than all those guys. The sens need guys that are hard to play against. They have no prospects and no picks in the first two rounds for two straight years and completely blew the previous draft. To have any sustainable success you need prospects and players coming on ELC's. When Ottawas time finally ended from 1997 to 2007 it was by in large because Muckler had nothing in the stable coming. The sens aren't even a playoff team right now and they have nothing.

 

[bert]

We are currently 2 D shy unless Brannstrom & Hamonic are signed or we go with JBD, Klevin, Thomson et al. I don't mind signing Brannstrom and Hamonic but I would certainly like to add a big tough experienced defender.

I would like to sign Debrincat to a long term deal such as $8M AAV or less for 6 years or more.

I agree we need to add forwards who are fast, hard to play against, good at 5-on-5, with high end motors, and preferably gritty and physical too. Our 4th line has some grit with Kastelic and Kelly but our 3rd line looks too soft to me (Pinto, Joseph and whoever).

Brannstrom is an RFA.... The sens online fans have some strange concept that this player has leverage to leave. He has none.

A teams bottom pair doesn't Really even matter that much. Easy to plug in. Kleven and JBD along with Brannstrom and a depth D man are fine back there.

Debrincat at 8 million and his style of play with what Ottawa currently has simply doesn't fit with this teams salary structure. Him moving on will he a blessing in disguise. This team has players like him they need to be harder to play against. Pinto can score he is going to progress Norris will be back. I am watching these playoffs and I really don't think Debrincat is an 8 million dollar player. His style of play on a big hard fast team that Lacks skill would be OK. The sens are not big or hard and they don't lack skill. This is part of the roster construction. This team is flawed. Batherson, Debrincat and Giroux are too similar to have that much money tied up into 3 players. We saw what it's like to have 2 of them on the same line it doesn't work. -31 do you realize how bad that is? No teams can win when guys are that easy to play against at 5 on 5. Say what you want about copp he isn't tiny, he plays all 3 forward positions he was a plus player and he doesn't need to play on the first pp to appease his ego.

 

[JD1]

Brannstrom is an RFA.... The sens online fans have some strange concept that this player has leverage to leave. He has none.

A teams bottom pair doesn't Really even matter that much. Easy to plug in. Kleven and JBD along with Brannstrom and a depth D man are fine back there.

Debrincat at 8 million and his style of play with what Ottawa currently has simply doesn't fit with this teams salary structure. Him moving on will he a blessing in disguise. This team has players like him they need to be harder to play against. Pinto can score he is going to progress Norris will be back. I am watching these playoffs and I really don't think Debrincat is an 8 million dollar player. His style of play on a big hard fast team that Lacks skill would be OK. The sens are not big or hard and they don't lack skill. This is part of the roster construction. This team is flawed. Batherson, Debrincat and Giroux are too similar to have that much money tied up into 3 players. We saw what it's like to have 2 of them on the same line it doesn't work. -35 do you realize how bad that is? No teams can win when guys are that easy to play against at 5 on 5. Say what you want about copp he isn't tiny, he plays all 3 forward positions he was a plus player and he doesn't need to play on the first pp to appease his ego.

On DeBoer... he's had teams with the talent to win and hasn't. My standard isn't win or bust, not all rosters are the same, but some guys get it done, others don't. I'd take Laviolette over DeBoer

I don't think we ever got to see what works and what doesn't with a healthy top 6. Norris got hurt early and Batherson wasn't healthy on that ankle for most of the year.

A line of
Tkachuk Norris Batherson
Eats up the other side's top physical pair. And if that top physical pair isn't out against them, the other side gets physically overwhelmed.

That leaves
DeBrincat Stuetzle Giroux
Playing against less physical players most nights.

I'd rather have DeBrincat signed in the high 7s than Chabot's contract given the roster we have.

 

[bert]

On DeBoer... he's had teams with the talent to win and hasn't. My standard isn't win or bust, not all rosters are the same, but some guys get it done, others don't. I'd take Laviolette over DeBoer

I don't think we ever got to see what works and what doesn't with a healthy top 6. Norris got hurt early and Batherson wasn't healthy on that ankle for most of the year.

A line of
Tkachuk Norris Batherson
Eats up the other side's top physical pair. And if that top physical pair isn't out against them, the other side gets physically overwhelmed.

That leaves
DeBrincat Stuetzle Giroux
Playing against less physical players most nights.

I'd rather have DeBrincat signed in the high 7s than Chabot's contract given the roster we have.

Scoring one dimensional wingers are a dime a dozen. Top 3 d men aren't. Supply and demand on them is at a Polar opposite spectrum. Sens just spent 2 years trying to get a top 4 d man. Can get a 60 point winger anywhere and for less than 7 million. Especially one that doesn't contribute in any way but score.

 

[JD1]

Scoring one dimensional wingers are a dime a dozen. Top 3 d men aren't. Supply and demand on them is at a Polar opposite spectrum. Sens just spent 2 years trying to get a top 4 d man. Can get a 60 point winger anywhere and for less than 7 million. Especially one that doesn't contribute in any way but score.

Generally I 100% agree. I trade a winger for a top 4 D.

But here we're talking names. And contracts.

Even coming off a down year, DeBrincat is something like top 15 in goals scored over a 5 or 6 year timeline. Idk the exact number but a few guys have posted it. So he's not just a winger that can score, when you remove centres from the list, he's a top 7 or 8 scoring winger in the game.

I know we've looked for top 4 D forever. For my money, Sanderson will be our #1. I'd move Chabot for any RD that can play top 4. I think Chabot's contract will be a screaming cap dump in a year. If he has a big turn around year well that's great. What if he doesn't? If he posts another year like this, he's a cap dump and with a backloaded deal with a MNTC, he's not a "throw in a 2nd" going the other way, he's a derail your roster giving away assets because you don't want to pay him 10M level disaster

As for the playoffs, you think Chabot is cut out for that? I don't see it. Too soft. Not strong enough.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Well, you know DeBoer is tactical. They way he slid over on the bench to check out those bewbs behind the glass a few years ago was classic.

 

[Cosmix]

That's a good question, I don't even know the metrics to answer that. I think I was judging DeBoer due to his lack of success in the post season, but he's had some deep runs and has made the playoffs quite a bit and the season he didn't with Vegas, they had loads of injury trouble but still was 9th in the west. I guess he's elite, I'd take him in a heart beat over DJ.

I tried to find a good article on best coaches and best GMs. I found some interesting articles and some not so good ones depending on the sources (e.g. The Hockey Writers and sports reporters).

 

[Golden_Jet]

I tried to find a good article on best coaches and best GMs. I found some interesting articles and some not so good ones depending on the sources (e.g. The Hockey Writers and sports reporters).

Hockeys writers not the best source, don’t know the “sports reporters”.

 

[Cosmix]

Brannstrom is an RFA.... The sens online fans have some strange concept that this player has leverage to leave. He has none.

A teams bottom pair doesn't Really even matter that much. Easy to plug in. Kleven and JBD along with Brannstrom and a depth D man are fine back there.

Debrincat at 8 million and his style of play with what Ottawa currently has simply doesn't fit with this teams salary structure. Him moving on will he a blessing in disguise. This team has players like him they need to be harder to play against. Pinto can score he is going to progress Norris will be back. I am watching these playoffs and I really don't think Debrincat is an 8 million dollar player. His style of play on a big hard fast team that Lacks skill would be OK. The sens are not big or hard and they don't lack skill. This is part of the roster construction. This team is flawed. Batherson, Debrincat and Giroux are too similar to have that much money tied up into 3 players. We saw what it's like to have 2 of them on the same line it doesn't work. -31 do you realize how bad that is? No teams can win when guys are that easy to play against at 5 on 5. Say what you want about copp he isn't tiny, he plays all 3 forward positions he was a plus player and he doesn't need to play on the first pp to appease his ego.

I agree Brannstrom has little to no leverage. I hope we sign him as I think he adds the puck retrieval, puck handling and skating with the puck abilities we need.

Debrincat at $8M AAV looks pretty good compared to Panarin's $11+M AAV. Losing Debrincat will reduce our scoring which is not going to help making the playoffs.

I think the bottom pair D does matter quite a bit. Hamonic might sign elsewhere for more than we can afford for a #3 RD. I am not sure that JBD, Thomson, Guennette or Kleven are NHL ready at this time, so we may need to sign a decent UFA #3 RD.

I agree the team roster construction is missing something; IMO it is size, grit, physicality, meanness and a policeman on the 3rd and 4th lines.

 

[JD1]

I agree Brannstrom has little to no leverage. I hope we sign him as I think he adds the puck retrieval, puck handling and skating with the puck abilities we need.

Debrincat at $8M AAV looks pretty good compared to Panarin's $11+M AAV. Losing Debrincat will reduce our scoring which is not going to help making the playoffs.

I think the bottom pair D does matter quite a bit. Hamonic might sign elsewhere for more than we can afford for a #3 RD. I am not sure that JBD, Thomson, Guennette or Kleven are NHL ready at this time, so we may need to sign a decent UFA #3 RD.

I agree the team roster construction is missing something; IMO it is size, grit, physicality, meanness and a policeman on the 3rd and 4th lines.

Brannstrom is eligible for arbitration so yes he has some leverage

He's going to get a decent bump

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

So, according to some people’s Wish List, that they’ve shared with us, Tampa will very soon be firing Jon Cooper, and he instantly will be introduced as the Sens next head coach….

 

[bicboi64]

If Cooper gets let go, it'll be beyond shortsighted

I'mma still dream

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Cooper isn’t getting let go lol.

But with the potential of a declining Boston and Tampa, we really can’t take risks. Another slow start by DJ would be inexcusable by Dorion. Don’t overthink it, get Boudreau or Laviolette.

 

[LevelingSolo]

Wonder when we get an update on DJ

At this point he's probably staying

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Didn't he interview with Melnyk in Barbados and Melnyk wanted to hear him bark and scream at the refs? As in "show me how you can yell" kinda thing. DeBoer thought he was crazy and backed out of the process

I wish we got to know this Melnyk more than the drunk lunatic.

 

[Senscore]

He's owed $4 million for each of the next two years and they're still willing to tell him to kick rocks.

 

[Sens Vader]

Sutter fired, Jack Adams then out the door the following season.

I wonder who else is on the hot seat

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Wonder when we get an update on DJ

At this point he's probably staying

If Dorion is in charge, Smith is staying to start next year. I'd say that's pretty clear.

If Dorion gets replaced soon enough then I think we have a decent chance of getting a new coach for next year.

 

[LevelingSolo]

Sutter fired, Jack Adams then out the door the following season.

I wonder who else is on the hot seat

Maybe Gallant if the Rangers lose tonight

Wild coach as well but I wouldn't want him personally

 

[Sens Vader]

Maybe Gallant if the Rangers lose tonight

Wild coach as well but I wouldn't want him personally

Im thinking the same, big expectations on NYR

 

[Golden_Jet]

Im thinking the same, big expectations on NYR

Ya Rangers fans aren’t a fan, they complain always plays the vets, over kids.

 

[Cosmix]

That's a good question, I don't even know the metrics to answer that. I think I was judging DeBoer due to his lack of success in the post season, but he's had some deep runs and has made the playoffs quite a bit and the season he didn't with Vegas, they had loads of injury trouble but still was 9th in the west. I guess he's elite, I'd take him in a heart beat over DJ.

Sometimes I think great players make a great coach; and then a great team is made by a great GM via drafting, trades and player development.