Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

[Alf Silfversson]

Do you think Tkachuk has the same responsibility in his end as Stuetzle?

Stuetzle is making mistakes because he's 21 learning to play 200 feet

It's pretty obvious that Tkachuk has basically no defensive responsibility, which is kind of my point.

So no, he does not have anywhere near the defensive responsibility of Stutzle. Also my point.

 

[Tuna99]

I'm not sure you understand the point made,

Choosing to use a 2-1-2 stack vs 2-1-2 spread or 1-2-2 forcheck is a coaches decision, but each of those components is well established, DJ didn't invent them, there's no magic forecheck that only Boston uses and nobody else knows, it's just a matter of finding the right combination of components to suit your personnel, and employing adjustments to what the opposition is doing. If they run an umbrella PP, you might switch from a box to a diamond formation, from there you might make some adjustments based on the set plays they try to employ, you might tighten your diamond and collapse more with only the one defender pressuring but even then, it's a pretty well established DZC scheme.

Bobby Ryan played under DJ as well as a bunch of other coaches, if York was full of it, he'd have called him out on it,

The issue isn't so much that we run a 2-1-2 OZ forcheck, lots of other teams run that same forcheck, but do we have the right pieces for that forcheck, are we identifying the oppositions tendencies and making the right adjustments, are we choosing to stack or spread in the right situations, are we getting overly agressive and failing to reload (that one was a big problem for a while).

There's a lot more to coaching than the system, so when people complain about the system, it's often not the actual system that is the problem, that's what York was getting at.

I don’t understand what you’re saying about this, I think what you’re saying is making sure the players are in the right parts of the ice to win games, and whatever you’re saying DJ Smith isnt good enough at it.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Would you rather have a playoff team or happy 4th liners?

Chicago had such a toxic culture under Quenville (who the players love) that literally everyone involved with his team is being fired out of Chicago.

Being well liked means nothing in pro sports. It’s the Ultimate success if everyone loves each other and you win a Cup, but this list of recent Cup winning coaches shows that getting weakness out of your team is also done by mean guys:

Mike Babcock
John Torteralla
Daryl Sutter
Mike Keenan
Ken Hitchcock
Randy Carlyle

I’m not sure this question has much relevance. I don’t think the NHL is like a video game, and I don’t think that Brady and Stu play on the fourth line.

I personally don’t want to bring in a coach that players hate, or is notorious For having a short shelf life. I’d rather they brought in a coach that has some good assistant coach experience, knows how to reach and develop kids these days, and looks ready to take the reigns.

FinD that guy instead of these old coaches most of whom are sitting on the sidelines.

 

[Tuna99]

I’m not sure this question has much relevance. I don’t think the NHL is like a video game, and I don’t think that Brady and Stu play on the fourth line.

I personally don’t want to bring in a coach that players hate, or is notorious For having a short shelf life. I’d rather they brought in a coach that has some good assistant coach experience, knows how to reach and develop kids these days, and looks ready to take the reigns.

FinD that guy instead of these old coaches most of whom are sitting on the sidelines.

I think a big danger with this team is the balance of power between the players and management is out of balance. Seems like the coach and ham are working to keep the players happy

 

[Ice-Tray]

I think a big danger with this team is the balance of power between the players and management is out of balance. Seems like the coach and ham are working to keep the players happy

I don’t think that’s true at all. I have not seen any evidence to support that theory either.

He will be replaced eventually, I just really hope it’s by another young coach ready to take us to the next level. I don’t want any of the old guard guys.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Spoke to Brass on Thursday and asked him about DJ, he told me the guys like him but that he's a very emotional coach.

Not sure he's as well liked as we all think.

imo there's about 1% chance he's back.

Sounds like your got a lot of info

 

[bicboi64]

I think a big danger with this team is the balance of power between the players and management is out of balance. Seems like the coach and ham are working to keep the players happy

Him allowing Chabot to have so much ice time when he's been floating is what makes me think this. Also, Brady's lack of defensive play, either DJ is coaching that way (which is a problem) or Brady hasn't figured out how to play D in DJ's system (which is a player problem, but DJ is inherently part of that solution or lack of, as well)

 

[Golden_Jet]

I mean, if Nick Nurse can get fired, how the hell can DJ not get fired? Come on Pierre...

They talked a lot about the culture in the room as reasons Nurse was let go.

Doubtful PD can change anyone until new owner.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I don’t understand what you’re saying about this, I think what you’re saying is making sure the players are in the right parts of the ice to win games, and whatever you’re saying DJ Smith isnt good enough at it.

So you don’t understand 2-1-2, 1-2-2, 1-3-1 and different variations ( whether on offence or defence) but it’s not implemented right lol.

 

[Tuna99]

So you don’t understand 2-1-2, 1-2-2, 1-3-1 and different variations ( whether on offence or defence) but it’s not implemented right lol.

I understand systems, but I don’t understand the argument they are all running the same system. Is Barry Trotz a better coach than DJ Smith, is Bruce Cassidy a better coach than Guy Boucher? What happened in Boston this year, everyone just had great shifts all season?

This is like saying all NHL centers are the same and it’s up to the center to be in The right place to be good - being smarter then your opposition will always be the main ingredient in winning at any sport, and that’s what coaches do.

 

[Sensinitis]

Sounds like your got a lot of info

Honestly yeah he was surprisingly honest lol and I took advantage to have a nice convo

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Honestly yeah he was surprisingly honest lol and I took advantage to have a nice convo

Any dbc info

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Just a reminder that year 1 of that rebuild the Sens were supposed to be a Cup contender and they went to Sweden and came back and they sucked and came last and everyone wanted out because it was a gong show

pretty sure the rebuild began later in that season, before the draft… so No, the Sens were Not expected to make the playoffs for 5 seasons after the rebuild started…. And correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t think DJS was coach when they went to Sweden….So how can you call for DJS to be fired when he was not the coach, when they played in Sweden ?

 

[Sensinitis]

Any dbc info

nah i didn't ask about that

 

[Loach]

nah i didn't ask about that

Spit it out!

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Delete


why is there No delete button?

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

He needs to go ASAP IMO

Agree or disagree?

Well, the Sens season is done, and it’s been more than a week, and DJS is still coach.
Contrast that with what happened hours after the Penguins ended their season.

writing is on the wall…. we’ll let’s say the writing is on a white board on the wall…. DJ S is going to be the coach next year, until someone picks up a dry eraser…..

 

[Sensinitis]

Well, the Sens season is done, and it’s been more than a week, and DJS is still coach.
Contrast that with what happened hours after the Penguins ended their season.

writing is on the wall…. we’ll let’s say the writing is on a white board on the wall…. DJ S is going to be the coach next year, until someone picks up a dry eraser…..

New ownership hasn't come in yet, you're reading too much into that. Nothing is set in stone for next season, not even close

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

New ownership hasn't come in yet, you're reading too much into that. Nothing is set in stone for next season, not even close

the Penguins had an ownership change just over a year ago… they left the management alone….. any smart owner will do the same in Ottawa, and make an assessment for themselves before firing anyone

 

[Micklebot]

the Penguins had an ownership change just over a year ago… they left the management alone….. any smart owner will do the same in Ottawa, and make an assessment for themselves before firing anyone

Penguins finished the season with 103 pts the year they were sold and had made the playoffs 15 consecutive years, not a particularly compelling comparison

Timing of the sale will be important, if it goes through late Aug, they likely aren't making a change until the next offseason or midseason if things go bad enough.

 

[JD1]

Penguins finished the season with 103 pts the year they were sold and had made the playoffs 15 consecutive years, not a particularly compelling comparison

Timing of the sale will be important, if it goes through late Aug, they likely aren't making a change until the next offseason or midseason if things go bad enough.

According to Garrioch, final bids are due mid May. There appears to be 7 entities that met with team brass. We'll see how many submit a final bid.

I don't imagine this is going to be a quick process. There's a lot of DD on each bid. Choose one. Lawyers to draw up contracts. BoG approval required. They'll be at this a while

Personally I don't think this gets done in time to make material changes to the team's mgmt structure for next season so I think we'll see Dorion and DJ back. I do wonder though whether Dorion has the legroom to deal with bidder items like a long term contract to DeBrincat, a trade of one of our larger contracts etc.

 

[aragorn]

According to Garrioch, final bids are due mid May. There appears to be 7 entities that met with team brass. We'll see how many submit a final bid.

I don't imagine this is going to be a quick process. There's a lot of DD on each bid. Choose one. Lawyers to draw up contracts. BoG approval required. They'll be at this a while

Personally I don't think this gets done in time to make material changes to the team's mgmt structure for next season so I think we'll see Dorion and DJ back. I do wonder though whether Dorion has the legroom to deal with bidder items like a long term contract to DeBrincat, a trade of one of our larger contracts etc.

This is basically what I have been saying for a while, I just don't think this sale gets completely done in the next month ot two or three. I imagine the BOD will stay in place for a while until new ownership decides on something else & PD continues to report to the board.

Also changes in management just before or during the season could also be disruptive to a team especially with new management who may not know all the inticacies that are involved with an NHL team & the effects on the AHL team unless they owned one before. This could take longer than we think before new ownership gets completely up to speed & takes complete control of the entire franchise. Should be interesting.

 

[Ice-Tray]

This is basically what I have been saying for a while, I just don't think this sale gets completely done in the next month ot two or three. I imagine the BOD will stay in place for a while until new ownership decides on something else & PD continues to report to the board.

Also changes in management just before or during the season could also be disruptive to a team especially with new management who may not know all the inticacies that are involved with an NHL team & the effects on the AHL team unless they owned one before. This could take longer than we think before new ownership gets completely up to speed & takes complete control of the entire franchise. Should be interesting.

This is also what I have been saying in terms of the new owners taking their time to do a thorough evaluation of the hockey operations before making sweeping changes.

Smart decisions based on evaluation, and that shouldn’t be quick. I personally don’t see why a new ownership would come in and clean sweep a team that has been rebuilding well and looks to be in the cusp of the playoffs.

If they feel they can add here and there to get the team in a better position, absolutely go for it, but it will take time to get to that deep a level of analysis of the team.

No, it doesn’t mean that groups haven’t looked into the team, but there is a difference between a couple visits and watching games, and owning the team, getting to know all the players and employees, and talking to people around the team and league. not every move will be based on stat sheets.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Honestly yeah he was surprisingly honest lol and I took advantage to have a nice convo

Hopefully he also gave you the ok to tell the rest of us.

 

[aragorn]

This is also what I have been saying in terms of the new owners taking their time to do a thorough evaluation of the hockey operations before making sweeping changes.

Smart decisions based on evaluation, and that shouldn’t be quick. I personally don’t see why a new ownership would come in and clean sweep a team that has been rebuilding well and looks to be in the cusp of the playoffs.

If they feel they can add here and there to get the team in a better position, absolutely go for it, but it will take time to get to that deep a level of analysis of the team.

No, it doesn’t mean that groups haven’t looked into the team, but there is a difference between a couple visits and watching games, and owning the team, getting to know all the players and employees, and talking to people around the team and league. not every move will be based on stat sheets.

And I assume they will be buying the Belleville Sens as well given they are the farm club & owned presently by the Melnyk estate. Obviously they will start at the top & work it's way down, but as you say everything will take time & not something anyone should just do haphazardly. Do they come in with a plan in mind & start replacing people? I doubt that, there will be a learning curve which could go into next yr & decisions made as warranted.