Proposal: Fire DJ Smith

Should the Sens fire DJ Smith?


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Sens Vader

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80% of fans? Come now, that’s just the twitterverse talking to each other. Far more likely that 80% of Sens fans have no shits to give about management and coaching staff.

Change always comes, but I doubt we’ll see much unless we falter early next season, you really should brace yourself. New ownership won’t be in place to make these kinds of changes until Summer at best, and that means that they still won’t have time to properly evaluate personnel. The groups are just trying to win the bid right now.

Both guys are under contract, with DJ going into his last year, and the team has gotten better each year and has a promising future. This is the objective line from everyone outside of the team and it’s online fanbase. Other team’s colour guys, coaches, GM, players, pundits, etc all say the same thing about our team.

Like it or not, no one is on the hot seat right now as it’s been a successful season I terms of development and taking a big step towards being competitive.

Disappointing to not make it when we were so close, but most in here will eventually manage that disappointment and move in to excitement for next season.

That’s the only measurement I have, fans chanting fire DJ multiple games. I don’t know the number but the noise is pretty obvious.

I know we don’t have control over the hiring or firing of DJ and Dorion. I’ll sit back and watch the show

I would love to see them both sent packing and hope new ownership can come on and do so.

Pretty tough to fire him considering the end result seems to meet their relatively low goals heading into the season, but you should take comfort out of the fact that we'll likely see a lot more accountability from the franchise with new, competent ownership finally in place. If he stumbles early on like this year with the long losing streak, I'd bet the axe will come down this time.
It’s actually very very easy to fire DJ, but I see your point.

Part of my concern is going into next season with him under such a hot seat. If you would be prepared to fire a coach within the first 15 games of next year just pull the plug in the summer imo
 

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Depends on how good your GM and coach are, both first-timers in their roles and have made countless mistakes.

I am just saying, IMO, DJ does not have the ability to take us to the next step. I don't believe he can take us to contending status over the next few seasons, I have seen him coach for 4 years here and be a horrible d coach for Toronto before us.

Goodbye DJ! 80% of fans want him gone, and new ownership coming in - the perfect recipe to upgrade the management and coaching staff

No more bargain bin shopping for these positions


The Devils also hired Andrew Brunette in the off-season - Jack Adams finalists groomed under Coach Q
Wish the bolded were true but I have my doubts. People love this head coach and for a lot of fans he seems to do no wrong

I think this management get's another year while ownership is being sorted out and they will be evaluated during and post 23-24.
 

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That’s the only measurement I have, fans chanting fire DJ multiple games. I don’t know the number but the noise is pretty obvious.

I know we don’t have control over the hiring or firing of DJ and Dorion. I’ll sit back and watch the show

I would love to see them both sent packing and hope new ownership can come on and do so.


It’s actually very very easy to fire DJ.
It could go either way, but I doubt it happens if I am attempting to predict. They've theoretically met their modest goals of playing in a few meaningful games. I guess it depends what new ownership thinks. IMO it's either new ownership takes out Both DJ and Dorion for their own people or leaves them both in place on a 1 year trial with a short leash. I just don't see only one or the other being kept on the table. I do at least find comfort in the fact that Melnyk is no longer involved in these decisions and that more accountability will be seen throughout the organization.
 
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It could go either way, but I doubt it happens if I am attempting to predict. They've theoretically met their modest goals of playing in a few meaningful games. I guess it depends what new ownership thinks. IMO it's either new ownership takes out Both DJ and Dorion for their own people or leaves them both in place on a 1 year trial with a short leash. I just don't see only one or the other being kept on the table.
Yeah predicting and wanting is two different things.

I think it will depend on what ownership group purchases the team, if its mostly business people (Remington Group) I think we stick with Dorion and DJ

If its a group that already has hockey people involved I think we see a change
 

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Yeah predicting and wanting is two different things.

I think it will depend on what ownership group purchases the team, if its mostly business people (Remington Group) I think we stick with Dorion and DJ

If its a group that already has hockey people involved I think we see a change
Yes, and the other complicating factor is the timing. If the new people aren't taking over until so late into the summer as seems to be expected now, it complicates those decisions.

Again though, I really think the leash will be short for these guys and that low budget for these positions won't be the problem it was under Melnyk.
 

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Yeah predicting and wanting is two different things.

I think it will depend on what ownership group purchases the team, if its mostly business people (Remington Group) I think we stick with Dorion and DJ

If its a group that already has hockey people involved I think we see a change
I kind of feel the opposite. I suspect that the more hockey people involved, the less likely an immediate change occurs.

The outside perspective, that sounds pretty universal, is that the team is well built, on the rise, in good cap position going forward, a stable of young stars, consistent development, and a solid push into respectability this season despite critical injuries.

I doubt any experienced hockey person would look to clean house when the team is so obviously developing well under the watch of the current management and coach.

What I would expect is for that person to sit down with PD and hammer out increased expectations, and have those expectations be guiding factors for job security.

This place can be extremely negative, and prone to lack of patience and knee jerk reactions. it can be fun and fiery for debate, but it’s not really based in reality, as we should all know since we all pretend to be experts, but are so very clearly not. We are experts in speculation and argumentative self agrandizing, which again, is fun :)

Outsiders will be looking at Ottawa’s rebuild as a success so far, of that I have zero doubt. It sucks for people who have emotionally invested in personal beefs with PD and DJ that’s for sure, but they only have themselves to blame.
 

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80% of fans? Come now, that’s just the twitterverse talking to each other. Far more likely that 80% of Sens fans have no shits to give about management and coaching staff.

Change always comes, but I doubt we’ll see much unless we falter early next season, you really should brace yourself. New ownership won’t be in place to make these kinds of changes until Summer at best, and that means that they still won’t have time to properly evaluate personnel. The groups are just trying to win the bid right now.

Both guys are under contract, with DJ going into his last year, and the team has gotten better each year and has a promising future. This is the objective line from everyone outside of the team and it’s online fanbase. Other team’s colour guys, coaches, GM, players, pundits, etc all say the same thing about our team.

Like it or not, no one is on the hot seat right now as it’s been a successful season I terms of development and taking a big step towards being competitive.

Disappointing to not make it when we were so close, but most in here will eventually manage that disappointment and move in to excitement for next season.
You are totally f***ing wrong!

94 percent of fans give no shits! :)
 
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Because the coach can’t give you killer instinct, he can only help develop your tools. The players have to develop that drive internally through experience and maturity.
Eh. I believe a coach has a responsibility to get his team ready to play in big games. They haven't been that down the stretch. If that's not a skill set DJ has, maybe it's a skill another coach has.
 

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crazy any red blooded senators fans who supposedly want the team to win, wants to bring Dorion back.

This team needs a real leader, and badly.
 
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That’s the only measurement I have, fans chanting fire DJ multiple games.
Was that in November? I was out of country for half of November and didn't attend a game that month. But I've been to 15 games this year. Never heard that chant.
 

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Eh. I believe a coach has a responsibility to get his team ready to play in big games. They haven't been that down the stretch. If that's not a skill set DJ has, maybe it's a skill another coach has.
It really is a shame they couldn't buck up for 2-3 more wins. It was right there for them and it feels like a lost opportunity either way. I bought in right when they went flat lol.
 

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Eh. I believe a coach has a responsibility to get his team ready to play in big games. They haven't been that down the stretch. If that's not a skill set DJ has, maybe it's a skill another coach has.
Fair enough. I think that no matter who is coach, at the end of the day the fire has to come from inside each player.

You think it comes from the coach, I think it comes from experience and maturation of the player.

Its an easy one for me to accept your position as possible and well put, and move on to the next point :)
 
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Goaltending let us down this season. It happens but it’s unfortunate. Not being able to add a 3rd goalie at the deadline has hurt our playoff chances.

Dorion did a good job this season. He didn’t panic and the core is still intact - heck the whole team is.

D.J. has done a very good job. We’re above .500, close to being a positive goal differential team, we’re going to finish five points out of the playoffs which is unexpected if you ask me. We play hard, our special teams are fantastic and the kids still look like they are getting better and have room to grow.

If anything this group will be motivated next season and I would expect nothing less than a playoff berth.
 

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Goaltending let us down this season. It happens but it’s unfortunate. Not being able to add a 3rd goalie at the deadline has hurt our playoff chances.

Dorion did a good job this season. He didn’t panic and the core is still intact - heck the whole team is.

D.J. has done a very good job. We’re above .500, close to being a positive goal differential team, we’re going to finish five points out of the playoffs which is unexpected if you ask me. We play hard, our special teams are fantastic and the kids still look like they are getting better and have room to grow.

If anything this group will be motivated next season and I would expect nothing less than a playoff berth.
It really has. For all the talk about Norris' injury, I think goaltending has been a much bigger issue. I really hope Talbot isn't brought back, what a frustrating season from him.
 

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It really has. For all the talk about Norris' injury, I think goaltending has been a much bigger issue. I really hope Talbot isn't brought back, what a frustrating season from him.

It was a head scratcher of a trade but I’m happy for Gus - he never gets to the next level this year here.

Going into next season with Forsberg, Merleinen and Sogaard is a much better scenario that Talbot, Forberg and Mandolese this season.

And we still may add a tendy. I’d want Saros. His legs are something else.
 

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Pretty tough to fire him considering the end result seems to meet their relatively low goals heading into the season, but you should take comfort out of the fact that we'll likely see a lot more accountability from the franchise with new, competent ownership finally in place. If he stumbles early on like this year with the long losing streak, I'd bet the axe will come down this time.
Dorion won't be setting the goals anymore. That's a good thing.
 

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It was a head scratcher of a trade but I’m happy for Gus - he never gets to the next level this year here.

Going into next season with Forsberg, Merleinen and Sogaard is a much better scenario that Talbot, Forberg and Mandolese this season.

And we still may add a tendy. I’d want Saros. His legs are something else.
I'm ashamed to say I supported the trade early on. What a mistake in hindsight, but yes, who knows how it would have worked out for Gus in Ottawa. If there's one thing we do know, it's that Talbot has not been a good thing for this team. I'm surprised they were apparently trying to bring him back.

Dorion won't be setting the goals anymore. That's a good thing.
For sure. A better support system all around could pay off for anyone that is kept around.
 

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I'm ashamed to say I supported the trade early on. What a mistake in hindsight, but yes, who knows how it would have worked out for Gus in Ottawa. If there's one thing we do know, it's that Talbot has not been a good thing for this team. I'm surprised they were apparently trying to bring him back.


For sure. A better support system all around could pay off for anyone that is kept around.

More shocked he was looking for a Jack Campbell type contract. (That could have been speculation but I read it)

You gotta welcome the new guy. I was confused but excited. Talbot was coming off a statistically good season in which he lost the job to Fleury and then regained it. However, that’s kinda Flower’s power, hahaha.
 

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Goaltending let us down this season. It happens but it’s unfortunate. Not being able to add a 3rd goalie at the deadline has hurt our playoff chances.

Dorion did a good job this season. He didn’t panic and the core is still intact - heck the whole team is.

D.J. has done a very good job. We’re above .500, close to being a positive goal differential team, we’re going to finish five points out of the playoffs which is unexpected if you ask me. We play hard, our special teams are fantastic and the kids still look like they are getting better and have room to grow.

If anything this group will be motivated next season and I would expect nothing less than a playoff berth.

Dorion is the reason goaltending let us down this season. He's the one who acquired Talbot, giving up a 24 year old goaltender with the 2nd best save percentage in the league to do it.

He's also the guy who spent all our available cap space on the offense, ignoring the team's needs on D until the trade deadline, at which point we were already too far back for Chychrun's addition to matter.

No idea why he should get a pass. He's every bit as responsible as DJ for the team's struggles to keep the puck out of our net this season.
 
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I'm ashamed to say I supported the trade early on. What a mistake in hindsight, but yes, who knows how it would have worked out for Gus in Ottawa. If there's one thing we do know, it's that Talbot has not been a good thing for this team. I'm surprised they were apparently trying to bring him back.


For sure. A better support system all around could pay off for anyone that is kept around.
Dorion is going to be held accountable for the first time. That is a big thing.
 

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Dorion is the reason goaltending let us down this season. He's the one who acquired Talbot, giving up a 24 year old goaltender with the 2nd best save percentage in the league to do it.

He's also the guy who spent all our available cap space on the offense, ignoring the team's needs on D until the trade deadline, at which point we were already too far back for Chychrun's addition to matter.

No idea why he should get a pass. He's every bit as responsible as DJ for the team's struggles to keep the puck out of our net this season.

The Stützle contract?

Who knows how Gus does here, but it does sting to watch him flourish.

I think philosophically this team needed to lose this season the way it has. It’s going to re-emphasize how important it is to stay consistent, not lose focus and be motivated. A lot of hockey is mental preparation.

I’m sad, but we’re technically not eliminated yet. Regardless next season is going to be even more fun.
 

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Goodbye DJ! 80% of fans want him gone, and new ownership coming in - the perfect recipe to upgrade the management and coaching staff

Nowhere near 80% of the fans want DJS gone….. probably more like 80% of the fans could not care less.

If you think Twitter/Social Media posts mean something…. You’re mistaken. Roughly 25% of people have a Twitter/Social Media account, and 10% of those people account for 85% of the crap posted on Twitter/Social media.

Probably the same percentages apply to forums like this.
 

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Nowhere near 80% of the fans want DJS gone….. probably more like 80% of the fans could not care less.

If you think Twitter/Social Media posts mean something…. You’re mistaken. Roughly 25% of people have a Twitter/Social Media account, and 10% of those people account for 85% of the crap posted on Twitter/Social media.

Probably the same percentages apply to forums like this.
Conversely 90% of people with Twitter/Social Media accounts, account for only 15% of the crap posted.

Dorion is going to be held accountable for the first time. That is a big thing.
Its due time!
 
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