Fire Colliton

[Backyard Hockey]

No need to defend or deride the Quenneville usage. Time will tell.
For JC defenders, just point to Highmore, for an example of the guy behind the bench knowing more than the legions of armchair coaches watching on TV.

I'm not ready to crown Highmore as something special.

He had a number of glaring mistakes - a couple that cost goals.

Yes, he had 3 goals, but:

- One was a wing and a prayer goal line shot that face it, will be go down as the worst goal allowed by a goalie this entire playoffs. 100% of NHL goalies should make that save 100% of the time.

- The other two were tip ins. That's great and they were needed (including the GWG) but tips are almost always fluky goals and usually more luck than anything.

Again, he had 3 goals which is more than many players on the team including Kane and Cat, but I'm not ready to say 'hey we were all wrong about Matthew Highmore'. I won't cry a tear if he's not on the Hawks going forward. The definition of 'just a guy' that isn't a difference maker, even as a 4th liner.

 

[Backyard Hockey]

I know this is like Yelp reviews where the most pissed off people are the most vocal, but I don't know of a single person calling to keep JC. Not one.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Going to say this again, was Quenneville really the sole decision of Colliton? Not letting him off the hook at all but I do not believe he is the sole decision maker when it comes to benching Nylander and playing Quenneville. Bowman had to have input, and he very well may have directed Colliton to give him good ice time. This was likely a joint decision, no way this was a surprise to Bowman.

What? Why would Bowman have any say in a personnel decision on the ice? I highly, highly doubt that.

 

[coolhand]

Hawks are going to hire Babcock. Mark my words

OHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[Panzerspitze]

I'm not ready to crown Highmore as something special.

He had a number of glaring mistakes - a couple that cost goals.

Yes, he had 3 goals, but:

- One was a wing and a prayer goal line shot that face it, will be go down as the worst goal allowed by a goalie this entire playoffs. 100% of NHL goalies should make that save 100% of the time.

- The other two were tip ins. That's great and they were needed (including the GWG) but tips are almost always fluky goals and usually more luck than anything.

Again, he had 3 goals which is more than many players on the team including Kane and Cat, but I'm not ready to say 'hey we were all wrong about Matthew Highmore'. I won't cry a tear if he's not on the Hawks going forward. The definition of 'just a guy' that isn't a difference maker, even as a 4th liner.

Sure, nobody wants to crown Highmore anything. Guys like him are low-cost depth who stepped up and supplied surprise scoring. That shows this guy has another gear and perhaps a knack for being a playoff contributor, rather than just a grinder/passenger (which the vaunted "core" has become more often than not.) That's how you outscore the opposition (assuming the top lines about break even) and win. Instead, some posters routinely shit on guys like him and Kampf for not showing up on the scoresheet consistently, while ignoring glaring no-shows from the stars, which I argue are the much bigger issue, in spite of what they had done in the past (five years ago).

Point is, if JC is fickle or superficial like these armchair HCs, Highmore wouldn't even be on the ice playing, much less outscoring Kane/DeBrincat, quality of competition notwithstanding.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

What? Why would Bowman have any say in a personnel decision on the ice? I highly, highly doubt that.

It could have been an ask from him to give him a good look, not saying that many minutes or on the top line. This isn’t Q coaching, its a guy who owes this opportunity to Bowman. Just like every other conspiracy theory around here when it comes to McD making the bad decisions and pulling Bowman’s strings. If McD was making moves against Bowman and pulling his strings then why not the GM doing it with his hand picked coach?

 

[ChiHawks10]

It could have been an ask from him to give him a good look, not saying that many minutes or on the top line. This isn’t Q coaching, its a guy who owes this opportunity to Bowman. Just like every other conspiracy theory around here when it comes to McD making the bad decisions and pulling Bowman’s strings. If McD was making moves against Bowman and pulling his strings then why not the GM doing it with his hand picked coach?

Bowman wouldn't have asked to give Quenneville a look, at the expense of sitting Nylander. His job likely hinges on Nylander. Quenneville is AHL plug material. I just don't buy it.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Bowman wouldn't have asked to give Quenneville a look, at the expense of sitting Nylander. His job likely hinges on Nylander. Quenneville is AHL plug material. I just don't buy it.

Again, we don’t know.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Again, we don’t know.

I mean... not many GMs meddle in their coach's decisions on who to start and sit from game to game, as far as I know. Do you hear of it often?

I don't base my opinions on wild speculation with the least chance of being true, as opposed to the more or most likely thing.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

I mean... not many GMs meddle in their coach's decisions on who to start and sit from game to game, as far as I know. Do you hear of it often?

I don't base my opinions on wild speculation with the least chance of being true, as opposed to the more or most likely thing.

Like McD meddling in Bowman’s decisions? That one is very feasible but not the GM with his hand picked, green coach? Again, a matter of opinion. I hold Colliton accountable but also Bowman. Too many people want to let Bowman off the hook for everything and I do not get it.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Like McD meddling in Bowman’s decisions? That one is very feasible but not the GM with his hand picked, green coach? Again, a matter of opinion. I hold Colliton accountable but also Bowman. Too many people want to let Bowman off the hook for everything and I do not get it.

The McD meddling thing has actual testimony/evidence to support it, and logic, and is not merely blind speculation...

Stan has never meddled in his coach's lineup decisions from what I can tell. Do you think he lets Q go all "fresh legs" if he did? Or lets Q f*** around with Kempny? Someone Bowman worked hard to acquire? Logic and reality say you're wrong.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

The McD meddling thing has actual testimony/evidence to support it, and logic, and is not merely blind speculation...

Stan has never meddled in his coach's lineup decisions from what I can tell. Do you think he lets Q go all "fresh legs" if he did? Or lets Q f*** around with Kempny? Someone Bowman worked hard to acquire? Logic and reality say you're wrong.

You win

 

[ChiHawks10]

You win

I know.

 

[BK]

Going to say this again, was Quenneville really the sole decision of Colliton? Not letting him off the hook at all but I do not believe he is the sole decision maker when it comes to benching Nylander and playing Quenneville. Bowman had to have input, and he very well may have directed Colliton to give him good ice time. This was likely a joint decision, no way this was a surprise to Bowman.

Is this serious?

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Is this serious?

Sorry I speculated something against your avatar, my bad.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Sorry I speculated something against your avatar, my bad.

The sarcasm is funny, when you literally made something up, with zero basis in fact, with zero evidence(aka speculation) just to try and add blame to Bowman. Bowman gets enough blame for things, some justified, and some not. Making up more to blame him for is ridiculous. It's amazing that you seem outraged that people would call you on it.

 

[BK]

Sorry I speculated something against your avatar, my bad.

Nothing to be sorry for as I was not sure if you were trolling or just making something up to tie it back to Bowman.

 

[hawksrule]

Sure, nobody wants to crown Highmore anything. Guys like him are low-cost depth who stepped up and supplied surprise scoring. That shows this guy has another gear and perhaps a knack for being a playoff contributor, rather than just a grinder/passenger (which the vaunted "core" has become more often than not.) That's how you outscore the opposition (assuming the top lines about break even) and win. Instead, some posters routinely shit on guys like him and Kampf for not showing up on the scoresheet consistently, while ignoring glaring no-shows from the stars, which I argue are the much bigger issue, in spite of what they had done in the past (five years ago).

Point is, if JC is fickle or superficial like these armchair HCs, Highmore wouldn't even be on the ice playing, much less outscoring Kane/DeBrincat, quality of competition notwithstanding.

If the best defense of Colliton is that he gave a chance to a guy who tops out as a 13th forward after people here had written him off, that speaks for itself.

 

[Northernhawk]

Did the Blackhawks not beat Edmonton this year? No credit for that I guess, three one goal losses(one in OT) to Vegas...not too shabby, PK worked wonders just need PP to match, thing was Vegas doesn't take many penalties so no grove was to be had in the series
I think the defence will be improved with Seabs and Ian Mitchell's additions...
Suter will improve the offence maybe at the cost of Strome
What I don't understand is the persistent Colliton bashing?

 

[ChiHawks10]

Did the Blackhawks not beat Edmonton this year? No credit for that I guess, three one goal losses(one in OT) to Vegas...not too shabby, PK worked wonders just need PP to match, thing was Vegas doesn't take many penalties so no grove was to be had in the series
I think the defence will be improved with Seabs and Ian Mitchell's additions...
Suter will improve the offence maybe at the cost of Strome
What I don't understand is the persistent Colliton bashing?

I mean, there should be a f***ton of penalties called on them. They take a ton, they just aren't called. I counted no less than 4 blatantly obvious missed calls in each of the games, with numerous nasty, dirty plays in each one.

 

[TLEH]

Absolutely no shot that Bowman said you need to play this guy and give him good ice time. It doesn't exist. It doesn't happen. It MAY happen in regards to giving a longer leash to a top prospect in a regular season game or something. Ice time is so subjective and a game by game basis that there is absolutely no way Bowman would say that about ANYONE.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

The sarcasm is funny, when you literally made something up, with zero basis in fact, with zero evidence(aka speculation) just to try and add blame to Bowman. Bowman gets enough blame for things, some justified, and some not. Making up more to blame him for is ridiculous. It's amazing that you seem outraged that people would call you on it.

You win again

 

[Hinterland]

Going to say this again, was Quenneville really the sole decision of Colliton? Not letting him off the hook at all but I do not believe he is the sole decision maker when it comes to benching Nylander and playing Quenneville. Bowman had to have input, and he very well may have directed Colliton to give him good ice time. This was likely a joint decision, no way this was a surprise to Bowman.

Why would Bowman get Colliton to play Quenneville? Also, that was just one of many reasons why the Blackhawks lost this series...especially since Quenneville and Nylander are equally terrible.

 

[giza]

The Hawks got as far as they should have and won one game they shouldn't have (thanks Crow!). Vegas is a deep team and one that added Stone, Pacioretty, Statsny, Martinez and Lehner to the Cup team that looked pretty damn good. Hawks got to add some size and grit across all 4 lines----got to be harder to play against.......hope the youngans improve steadily ---Toews/Kane window is closing!

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

This Q playing theory is as foolish as when people tried to claim Q was "Forcing" Stanley to trade this player , sign this player , etc , etc

But when Q was being blamed for it there was certainly Bowman fanboys willing to accept it as legitimate despite how dumb it was. So if JC fanboys want to follow similar path it is what it is