Fire Colliton

[Toews2Bickell]

Can we just not have a coach instead?

I've always hated the guy but I want to see this team consistently win again and everywhere he's went they've been pretty good...The order for me is Gallant/Lavi 1A/1B........Boudreau................................................JC



.....babcock

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Bowman will come out and give him a vote of confidence, say he has done a great job these last few weeks and is learning and growing into a solid NHL coach. Its coming

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Put me in the camp that wants Laviolette over Gallant, but either would be huge.

Wonder if Yzerman decides to move on from Blash and give Gallant a lot of money to go back to Detroit...In that case then Lavi is the clear choice and one they need to seriously consider because he's another guy that has won in a lot of different places

 

[CCook37]

He benched Boqvist until the last 2 minutes of the game tonight. Its so stupid to put him in cold in that situation.

With no confidence either. Bo looked hesitant to shoot the puck. Just a complete and utter disaster.

 

[CCook37]

Colliton made a lot of mistakes but he did do a good job with most youngsters. Sadly, he failed to get most of the big guns going when it really mattered because the PP was brutal and his lines mostly didn't make sense. I think these Golden Knights were totally beatable for the Blackhawks but does Colliton need to get fired for losing this series? I'm not gonna judge here. Depends on who the replacement would be, too. Colliton is also still young with very little experience. He might learn from his mistakes.

JC didn’t develop anyone. He hurt development with his poor coaching ability. Go away, you aren’t even a Hawks fan.

 

[RayP]

I've always hated the guy but I want to see this team consistently win again and everywhere he's went they've been pretty good...The order for me is Gallant/Lavi 1A/1B........Boudreau................................................JC



.....babcock

How is BB when it comes to developing players? Honestly can’t recall.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Bowman will come out and give him a vote of confidence, say he has done a great job these last few weeks and is learning and growing into a solid NHL coach. Its coming

That’s what I’d put my money on, and I’ll be upset when it happens.

Danny Wirtz basically said everything hockey related, including colliton, is all Bowman’s call. So if Bowman doesn’t axe him, nobody else will (if you believe Danny’s words).

 

[Toews2Bickell]

How is BB when it comes to developing players? Honestly can’t recall.

I cannot either tbh but he did have quite a few young players in ANA that they developed pretty nicely...Rakell, Fowler, Lindholm, etc...even going back to his days in WSH they were always good at drafting and developing internally...and then he went to a Minnesota team that had sort of above avg talent but nothing elite and turned them into a solid team in a hard division team considered

 

[BobbyJet]

That’s what I’d put my money on, and I’ll be upset when it happens.

Danny Wirtz basically said everything hockey related, including colliton, is all Bowman’s call. So if Bowman doesn’t axe him, nobody else will (if you believe Danny’s words).

My hope is that is just media talk but if true it really is unbelievable - Stan should be hanging on by a thread, instead, he seems quite comfortable despite the floundering, flawed team he has put together.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

That’s what I’d put my money on, and I’ll be upset when it happens.

Danny Wirtz basically said everything hockey related, including colliton, is all Bowman’s call. So if Bowman doesn’t axe him, nobody else will (if you believe Danny’s words).

Have to until proven otherwise...Sort of unfortunate timing to possibly not have fans at the game next year because if they were getting an influx of calls saying people are not not renewing their season tickets without changes then that might make him change his tone...

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Have to until proven otherwise...

Ya, unfortunately.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

My hope is that is just media talk but if true it really is unbelievable - Stan should be hanging on by a thread, instead, he seems quite comfortable despite the floundering, flawed team he has put together.

Agreed. Rocky seems to be easily influenced. The aura of the Bowman name, maybe Rocky is starting to lose a few marbles. It might take empty seats, and we all know once this pandemic is over the seats sill be filled in spite of record.

 

[Backyard Hockey]

He was good in Rockford and brought Gustafsson to another level. Wish he could have stayed in the AHL and seasoned for a few more seasons.

I'll give the Hawks credit for not falling into the old boys' club of revolving coaches, but I think this experiment is over.

I don't follow Rockford so not sure what he did or didn't do there, but...

Re:Gus. Yes, he developed him...into a forward. Seriously, has there ever been a guy you look at and say 'that dude is playing the wrong position' more than Gus?

Developed into a very solid offensive d man, but was a disaster defensively. As is the rest of the defense.

JC has had two seasons (albeit not full) to address what was a failing d corps. I see a team with a lack of talent and speed at the blue line. You can blame that on Stan and contracts, but I see a terrible defensive system. Not just the D men, but the defensive work of the forwards.

Look at Boqvist. I know this kid is highly touted and he's young and he'll learn, but I'm just not impressed by what I've seen. A lot has happened for me to even remember how he played in Jan/Feb, but based on this playoff run, I don't like it at all. I've seen little offensive impact. I've haven't seen a big shot get through from the point (actually I've seen a couple of knee pad Keith shots). But I have seen some really really bad defensive play. The Hawks need this guy to be an offensive minded d man with speed through the neutral zone ala Karlsson (or Carlson) but he must be sound defensively. Not seeing it.

He needs coaching to to develop him. JC isn't that guy.

 

[Backyard Hockey]

Now that I've had time to think about it more, the use of Quenneville last night is so beyond baffling I can't comprehend it.

It's like as if you said 'ok, JC, lots of people are calling for you to be fired - what can you do to absolutely cement that?'

Two things in this series happened that literally ZERO other NHL coaches would have done:

- Game 3 - 1:22 left down a goal. Stoppage in play. Crow pulled. JC does NOT take his timeout and does NOT put his $10.5 captain (who has been one of the leagues best FO men for years) in, nor does he put in his $6.5M winger. Think about that. About to go down 0-3 in the series which is effectively a death blow, and two guys from your top line aren't in the game for the last 1:22 with extra attacker.

- Game 5 - the use of Quenneville. So many angles to attack there, but the fact that a) he played him on the first line all game (and not Saad), b) he had more minutes than 4 other forwards, c) he was continuing to get his 1st line shifts all through the 3rd when they needed a goal to extend their season, d) he was getting those minutes instead of Kane double shifting with 19/8 - took JC until about 5 min left to do that and e) he was on the ice with 2:30 left down a goal with the season on the line.

Again, literally ZERO coaches in the NHL would do either of those things.

Seriously, can you think of any other NHL game you've watched these playoffs - or even in regular season - where the HC doesn't take his time out down a goal with a stoppage inside 2 minutes?

 

[Panzerspitze]

Would even take Bruce Boudreau at this point...This core needs a vet coach with a track record...

Bring back Dirk Graham!

 

[Jay haller]

Bring back Dirk Graham!

nah Trent yawner he’s earned his dues.

 

[Panzerspitze]

It's becoming an echo chamber here, pinning most things on JC (other than the Quenneville Mini deployment). Face it: The core is over the hill. It's the depth/bottom-pairing guys doing the majority of scoring in this playoffs. What is wrong with JC changing the system to be more defensive against VGK? That's adjustment. The games in the VGK series got tighter as it went on. That's how you want it. No Gallant is going to teach the old core new tricks that would suddenly make their bad habits go away. Neither Old Q nor JC could make the PP not sucking for prolonged periods, but a Gallant or whoever would? How is Gallant's track record developing young guys? That's the only thing to evaluate, vs keeping JC.

Oh, BTW, 17 points from rookies in the playoffs, by far the most of any team. If that doesn't tell you where the problem is...

 

[ChiHawks10]

It's becoming an echo chamber here, pinning most things on JC (other than the Quenneville Mini deployment). Face it: The core is over the hill. It's the depth/bottom-pairing guys doing the majority of scoring in this playoffs. What is wrong with JC changing the system to be more defensive against VGK? That's adjustment. The games in the VGK series got tighter as it went on. That's how you want it. No Gallant is going to teach the old core new tricks that would suddenly make their bad habits go away. Neither Old Q and JC could make the PP not sucking for prolonged periods, but a Gallant or whoever would? How is Gallant's track record developing young guys? That's the only thing to evaluate, vs keeping JC.

Oh, BTW, 17 points from rookies in the playoffs, by far the most of any team. If that doesn't tell you where the problem is...

Pretty sure most on here talked about/blamed the stars sucking as being the reason why the Hawks wouldn't get past Vegas. I know I did many times.

 

[Panzerspitze]

And Kane shed tears when Dennis Savard was canned, a reminder to the knuckleheads on twitter trying to insinuate your star players' feelings toward a coach means exactly what to winning...

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Now that I've had time to think about it more, the use of Quenneville last night is so beyond baffling I can't comprehend it.

It's like as if you said 'ok, JC, lots of people are calling for you to be fired - what can you do to absolutely cement that?'

Two things in this series happened that literally ZERO other NHL coaches would have done:

- Game 3 - 1:22 left down a goal. Stoppage in play. Crow pulled. JC does NOT take his timeout and does NOT put his $10.5 captain (who has been one of the leagues best FO men for years) in, nor does he put in his $6.5M winger. Think about that. About to go down 0-3 in the series which is effectively a death blow, and two guys from your top line aren't in the game for the last 1:22 with extra attacker.

- Game 5 - the use of Quenneville. So many angles to attack there, but the fact that a) he played him on the first line all game (and not Saad), b) he had more minutes than 4 other forwards, c) he was continuing to get his 1st line shifts all through the 3rd when they needed a goal to extend their season, d) he was getting those minutes instead of Kane double shifting with 19/8 - took JC until about 5 min left to do that and e) he was on the ice with 2:30 left down a goal with the season on the line.

Again, literally ZERO coaches in the NHL would do either of those things.

Seriously, can you think of any other NHL game you've watched these playoffs - or even in regular season - where the HC doesn't take his time out down a goal with a stoppage inside 2 minutes?

Going to say this again, was Quenneville really the sole decision of Colliton? Not letting him off the hook at all but I do not believe he is the sole decision maker when it comes to benching Nylander and playing Quenneville. Bowman had to have input, and he very well may have directed Colliton to give him good ice time. This was likely a joint decision, no way this was a surprise to Bowman.

 

[Panzerspitze]

No need to defend or deride the Quenneville usage. Time will tell.
For JC defenders, just point to Highmore, for an example of the guy behind the bench knowing more than the legions of armchair coaches watching on TV.

 

[TLEH]

The roster is flawed for sure. Team speed needs a major boost and I would like D that transition better and defend their own blue line more. I think we allow entries way too easily and I think it comes down to having to play back off the line due to not having the foot speed to catch back up if they get blown by.

Obviously the forward can help that as well by being tighter on their checks coming through the neutral zone.

 

[Fortyfives]

It's becoming an echo chamber here, pinning most things on JC (other than the Quenneville Mini deployment). Face it: The core is over the hill. It's the depth/bottom-pairing guys doing the majority of scoring in this playoffs. What is wrong with JC changing the system to be more defensive against VGK? That's adjustment. The games in the VGK series got tighter as it went on. That's how you want it. No Gallant is going to teach the old core new tricks that would suddenly make their bad habits go away. Neither Old Q nor JC could make the PP not sucking for prolonged periods, but a Gallant or whoever would? How is Gallant's track record developing young guys? That's the only thing to evaluate, vs keeping JC.

Oh, BTW, 17 points from rookies in the playoffs, by far the most of any team. If that doesn't tell you where the problem is...

Almost half of those points(8) are Kubalik a "rookie". I am not sure using point totals is the best argument.

All the lines we underwater except for the Toews-Saad Kubalik line.

 

[Panzerspitze]

Almost half of those points(8) are Kubalik a "rookie". I am not sure using point totals is the best argument.

All the lines we underwater except for the Toews-Saad Kubalik line.

So add an asterisk "rookies... including newcomers". The inferences about the core still stand. And where do they stand, relative to the other playoff teams, even after removing Kubalik's points?

 

[Blue Liner]

The Quennville playing time today was just terrible. Bring me gallant.

God, I forgot he is available. Would make keeping Colliton even worse.

EDIT: Not pinning everything on JC. Roster has flaws, but the things you can pin on him have been clearly outlined and this group is better than they have played. Underachieved. I think it’s really clear the core isn’t really into him and I don’t think ever really were. You can argue “they need to just deal with it” all day long but clearly they don’t because it hasn’t changed. Quite frankly, those guys have sort of earned the right to have a coach need to earn their respect and prove it. JC never really seemed to sway them, and he was filling some pretty mighty shoes taking over for Q. It’s time to move on.