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[TLEH]

This Q playing theory is as foolish as when people tried to claim Q was "Forcing" Stanley to trade this player , sign this player , etc , etc

But when Q was being blamed for it there was certainly Bowman fanboys willing to accept it as legitimate despite how dumb it was. So if JC fanboys want to follow similar path it is what it is

No no no. Don't take this idea and run with it. Brandon Manning was a clear example of a Q pushed move. There was absolutely a power struggle between Bowman and Q for a while when they were here and I am pretty sure, after everything that has come out, that John McDonough and MacIver were on the team Q side.

 

[Hinterland]

Absolutely no shot that Bowman said you need to play this guy and give him good ice time. It doesn't exist. It doesn't happen. It MAY happen in regards to giving a longer leash to a top prospect in a regular season game or something. Ice time is so subjective and a game by game basis that there is absolutely no way Bowman would say that about ANYONE.

Exactly. And as I mentioned before, I think the plan was to roll 4 lines and double shift guys in Quenneville's spot. It just didn't work because their tanks were empty. Just watch the last minutes. They tried like mad but just couldn't move anymore. Vegas just had way too much possession...not just in this game but over the whole series. Partly because of DeBoer's system and partly because Dach was taking way too many faceoffs. The Blaückhawks failing to get their powerplay going didn't help either. Stationary powerplay didn't do enough to tire out some Vegas players.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

No no no. Don't take this idea and run with it. Brandon Manning was a clear example of a Q pushed move. There was absolutely a power struggle between Bowman and Q for a while when they were here and I am pretty sure, after everything that has come out, that John McDonough and MacIver were on the team Q side.

So as usual any Bowman blunder = Q forced gotcha

Did Q forge Stanley's signature? Is Bowman ever accountable for anything he does wrong? Does Q get credit for anything he did?

As usual the push to defend Stanley no matter how illogical is laughable

By this time next week I am sure Bowman fans will be talking up JC again

 

[ChiHawks10]

No no no. Don't take this idea and run with it. Brandon Manning was a clear example of a Q pushed move. There was absolutely a power struggle between Bowman and Q for a while when they were here and I am pretty sure, after everything that has come out, that John McDonough and MacIver were on the team Q side.

Same with the Kempny trade. That's 100% a clear example of Q forcing Bowman's hand. Q stopped playing him, dicked him over, healthy scratched him, gave him shit minutes, despite being a very good D. Forced Bowman's hand to say "f***, if Q isn't gonna play him, I might as well get what I can for him."

I mean... I'm not sure how anyone with half a brain can think this isn't 100% accurate with both the Manning and Kempny situations.

 

[TLEH]

So as usual any Bowman blunder = Q forced gotcha

Did Q forge Stanley's signature? Is Bowman ever accountable for anything he does wrong? Does Q get credit for anything he did?

As usual the push to defend Stanley no matter how illogical is laughable

By this time next week I am sure Bowman fans will be talking up JC again

Its been made pretty clear in the media by Danny Wirtz and others around the organization that Stan was not the only one making hockey decisions around here.

Q was a coach that had won 3 cups, don't sit here and act like he didn't have roster pull. Bowman has been held accountable plenty of times. The pro scouts have sucked. Thats his people, thats on him.

He also has gotten ripped for the Teuvo trade, the Panarin trade, the Danault trade. The signing this offseason of Shaw has been a negative. I mean I could keep going. How about your push to defend Q and never hold him accountable for players that succeeded after they left here and were given 2 mm leashes by Q??

Same with the Kempny trade. That's 100% a clear example of Q forcing Bowman's hand. Q stopped playing him, dicked him over, healthy scratched him, gave him shit minutes, despite being a very good D. Forced Bowman's hand to say "f***, if Q isn't gonna play him, I might as well get what I can for him."

I mean... I'm not sure how anyone with half a brain can think this isn't 100% accurate with both the Manning and Kempny situations.

Then he went on to play 17 minutes a night in a defensive role for the Capitals and win the Stanley Cup.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Its been made pretty clear in the media by Danny Wirtz and others around the organization that Stan was not the only one making hockey decisions around here.

Q was a coach that had won 3 cups, don't sit here and act like he didn't have roster pull. Bowman has been held accountable plenty of times. The pro scouts have sucked. Thats his people, thats on him.

He also has gotten ripped for the Teuvo trade, the Panarin trade, the Danault trade. The signing this offseason of Shaw has been a negative. I mean I could keep going. How about your push to defend Q and never hold him accountable for players that succeeded after they left here and were given 2 mm leashes by Q??



Then he went on to play 17 minutes a night in a defensive role for the Capitals and win the Stanley Cup.

Yep. Wasn't good enough here, though. Really good middle pairing D in Washington, who slotted into the top pair occasionally, and provided some offense, on top of consistent D performance. Could you imagine how much better this D corps is with Kempny here still?

 

[TLEH]

Yep. Wasn't good enough here, though. Really good middle pairing D in Washington, who slotted into the top pair occasionally, and provided some offense, on top of consistent D performance. Could you imagine how much better this D corps is with Kempny here still?

Yeah.. looks like he has been playing between 16-22 minutes a night for the Caps. He is the type of D we need. Solid defensively and able to skate and move the puck.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Yeah.. looks like he has been playing between 16-22 minutes a night for the Caps. He is the type of D we need. Solid defensively and able to skate and move the puck.

Keith - Boqvist
Maata - Kempny
Murphy - 4K

CdH doesn't ever need to be brought in. That's a net $2.5m that could have been used to help improve the forward depth.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Could you imagine Hawks with Danault ,, oh wait Stanley loved Weise and a washed up Flash!

Hey remember when Stanley continually forced crap on Q such as David f***ing Rundblad. Could you imagine the Hawks in 2014 trading a 2nd for an actual asset to help with Cup run instead Stanley traded for David f***ing Rundblad

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yeah.. looks like he has been playing between 16-22 minutes a night for the Caps. He is the type of D we need. Solid defensively and able to skate and move the puck.

Sounds alot like Joker actually

 

[ChiHawks10]

Could you imagine Hawks with Danault ,, oh wait Stanley loved Weise and a washed up Flash!

Hey remember when Stanley continually forced crap on Q such as David f***ing Rundblad. Could you imagine the Hawks in 2014 trading a 2nd for an actual asset to help with Cup run instead Stanley traded for David f***ing Rundblad

Stop the whataboutisms. We know Bowman has f***ed up some trades... and admit as much. You're the one who can't admit that Q was ever at fault for anything, or that Bowman has also done well with some things.

 

[TLEH]

Keith - Boqvist
Maata - Kempny
Murphy - 4K

CdH doesn't need to be brought in.

Yep. Or Murphy and Kempny as I think they might compliment each other well. Sucks that Maatta will be bought out. I actually slowly started to like his game and felt it was trending up. I prefer D that can really skate but I think he does fairly well considering what he has been through.

I like CdH but he is in the same boat but worse. Health problems galore and really can't skate. Sucks because before all the injuries he was really solid.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Keith - Boqvist
Maata - Kempny
Murphy - 4K

CdH doesn't ever need to be brought in. That's a net $2.5m that could have been used to help improve the forward depth.

Imagine this team with TT and Danault + No Seabrook

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Stop the whataboutisms. We know Bowman has f***ed up some trades... and admit as much. You're the one who can't admit that Q was ever at fault for anything, or that Bowman has also done well with things.

Your not one to talk given your last few posts

 

[BK]

Could you imagine Hawks with Danault ,, oh wait Stanley loved Weise and a washed up Flash!

Hey remember when Stanley continually forced crap on Q such as David f***ing Rundblad. Could you imagine the Hawks in 2014 trading a 2nd for an actual asset to help with Cup run instead Stanley traded for David f***ing Rundblad

This has nothing to do with JC.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Your not one to talk given your last few posts

My last few posts were in the context of the conversation that was being had... yours are just randomly coming out to blast Bowman...

 

[TLEH]

Sounds alot like Joker actually

Yeah, I'll even give you that move. I didn't like the Joker trade. I also didn't even mention Seabrook.

I think Seabrook alone is a pretty fireable offense but with the media and Danny Wirtz pretty much confirming that Stan didn't have complete full control I just am totally unsure if Stan alone gave that horrible of a contract. It was so obviously horrible that it strikes me as a marketing guy making sure a Stanley Cup pillar stays around, but then again I can't prove it either way.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

My last few posts were in the context of the conversation that was being had... yours are just randomly coming out to blast Bowman...

I said using Q the player playing as indictment against Bowman was absurd ,, Just as absurd as people who claimed every Bowman mistake was forced on him by Q and he was just a victim of mean ole Q

 

[ploppsdman]

This team continues to function as groups of 2 and not as a full 5 man unit. I don’t see any growth in this. Colliton should have started as an assistant. Oh well. Everyone has to go, including Bowman. Great job signing Panarin and getting Kubalik but he pissed away too many assets. Of course, he signed an extension bc that’s what should happen when your team hasn’t been good for years.

 

[TLEH]

I said using Q the player playing as indictment against Bowman was absurd ,, Just as absurd as people who claimed every Bowman mistake was forced on him by Q and he was just a victim of mean ole Q

The problem is that you are the only person that says that "every mistake that Bowman makes was forced on him by Q"

You are the only one.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yeah, I'll even give you that move. I didn't like the Joker trade. I also didn't even mention Seabrook.

I think Seabrook alone is a pretty fireable offense but with the media and Danny Wirtz pretty much confirming that Stan didn't have complete full control I just am totally unsure if Stan alone gave that horrible of a contract. It was so obviously horrible that it strikes me as a marketing guy making sure a Stanley Cup pillar stays around, but then again I can't prove it either way.

That marketing guy didn't intervene to stop trading of rising star in Panarin?

Cut the BS if MCD was running show then Panarin isn't traded as he had quickly become popular star in Chicago and a marketing guru like MCD would view him as golden goose

 

[ChiHawks10]

I said using Q the player playing as indictment against Bowman was absurd ,, Just as absurd as people who claimed every Bowman mistake was forced on him by Q and he was just a victim of mean ole Q

Which we agree on.

And no one has EVER claimed that every Bowman mistake was forced on him by Q. That's a strawman.

 

[ChiHawks10]

That marketing guy didn't intervene to stop trading of rising star in Panarin?

Cut the BS if MCD was running show then Panarin isn't traded as he had quickly become popular star in Chicago and a marketing guru like MCD would view him as golden goose

McDouche could have wanted him as bad as he wanted anything he's ever wanted in life, but if the money doesn't work, the money doesn't work. And the money wasn't going to work. That was obvious to EVERYONE.

 

[TLEH]

That marketing guy didn't intervene to stop trading of rising star in Panarin?

Cut the BS if MCD was running show then Panarin isn't traded as he had quickly become popular star in Chicago and a marketing guru like MCD would view him as golden goose

Russian kid that doesn't speak good english or warrior of a D that won 3 Cups. I think I know which is more marketable to Chicago. I get your point though.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Which we agree on.

And no one has EVER claimed that every Bowman mistake was forced on him by Q. That's a strawman.

Your right

When Q wasn't blamed it was Mcd or somehow now Maciver's fault