Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

[Treb]

Here’s the thing. Kidney progressed for two years in juniors and then hit a wall turning pro. To be expected.

Mesar went from being pro to stagnating in juniors. There lies the difference in their post draft development

People will be surprised by this as I have been called a Mesar hater, but I think Mesar's game will translate better to the pros.

Kidney did seem to have finally put on some weight so maybe it changes things, but I still think his game will not translate.

 

[Bottomshelf]

Mesar to me is exactly the type of pick many were calling for after a long list of late first round blunders. They went for skill, not size and well it might work it might not (far to early to say in my opinion) but I’ll give credit for at least targeting talent level. He came into this camp much bigger than last, strikes me as the type of player who will play up to the level of those around him but not ever really lead a line. Should be an interesting watch in Laval

 

[Skip Bayless]

HFHabs when Filip Mesar f***s up a play



HFHabs when Florian f***s up a play

 

[Andrei79]

Here’s the thing. Kidney progressed for two years in juniors and then hit a wall turning pro. To be expected.

Mesar went from being pro to stagnating in juniors. There lies the difference in their post draft development

I still feel he shouldn't have come over. I wish he stayed in Europe for a few years until he was ready to come over.

 

[MasterD]

Mesar to me is exactly the type of pick many were calling for after a long list of late first round blunders. They went for skill, not size and well it might work it might not (far to early to say in my opinion) but I’ll give credit for at least targeting talent level. He came into this camp much bigger than last, strikes me as the type of player who will play up to the level of those around him but not ever really lead a line. Should be an interesting watch in Laval

That's what people forget. Last 1st rounders should be swings for the fences. Don't go for a Chipchura, who was always going to ba 4th liner, best case scenario 3rd liner...

Take a boom or bust guy and hope for the best. That's what we did with Mesar! So far he's busting, but let's see what he can do in Laval. It's fine either way.

Ok bud, just completely miss the point of what I said then.

Beck is a heart and soul player, with lots of technical skill and good physical attributes. Of course I appreciate his game. I think he will be a welcome replacement for Evans one day. He definitely does not have poise or vision enough for a potential top 9 center role in the NHL, in my opinion.

Mesar, on the other hand, does have the poise and vision required to be a top-9 NHLer.

I changed from "IQ" to "poise and vision" to be specific to my point.

Hope to be wrong on Beck and right on Mesar, let's see what happens this season.

He hasn't shown it just yet, but Owen Beck could be a Danault-type that can play a complimentary top-6 role in the NHL.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

I still feel he shouldn't have come over. I wish he stayed in Europe for a few years until he was ready to come over.

Agreed that would have been a better development path for him.

 

[Natey]

Ill be here to laugh this one out.

Mesar will do-mi-nate in laval this year



I called the 200 pts before his first ohl game not after.

I have growned up

I'm a huge Mesar fan, but I can't help but think you bring on a lot of the hate here against Mesar by yourself.

He will not dominate this year. But I do believe he will have a solid year. He's not even going to have the opportunity to dominate because he's not going to be handed the keys to the city from the start. He's going to have to work hard and prove he belongs, which I think he will.

 

[Natey]

Agreed that would have been a better development path for him.

He tried to tell them from day 1 that junior hockey was not for him. Some people just know what is best for them because they know themselves.

He was used to playing against men and wanted to continue.

Who knows? Maybe he knew that he would "slack" on the physical aspect because of playing against kids. Or maybe he doesn't have the confidence in himself to not make bad decisions... playing in the OHL is a lot different than a men's league. Less mature, essentially. Maybe Mesar knew he wouldn't do good in the environment. Maybe he constantly needs to be challenged? I know I'm like that. If I work with a hard worker, I bust my ass off. If I work with a lazy ass, I do the same. I need to be challenged to get the best out of myself.. maybe he's the same.

When he wanted to turn it on, he dominated games. But it just didn't happen often.

I honestly think the best path was Slovakia or Switzerland for a year, then Laval last year. But we'll see what happens.

 

[Rapala]

HFHabs when Filip Mesar f***s up a play



HFHabs when Florian f***s up a play

HFHabs understanding the value of a first round selection vs a Unicorn selection.

Flojack is playing with house money. Mesar is playing with real draft capital.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Send him to Europe to rebuild his confidence. The "adapt to the NA game" strategy has been a fiasco. Not because something "make sense" that it is what works.

Kid needs a break and some breathing room.

 

[Tyson]

Send him to Europe to rebuild his confidence. The "adapt to the NA game" strategy has been a fiasco. Not because something "make sense" that it is what works.

Kid needs a break and some breathing room.

He needs to show he can produce in NA pro hockey.

 

[BenchBrawl]

He needs to show he can produce in NA pro hockey.

He won't show it if his psychology is buried in doubts and his confidence destroyed by several seasons of bad adaptation.

Rather have him thrive in Europe closer to home and then come back later.

 

[Tyson]

He won't show it if his psychology is buried in doubts and his confidence destroyed by several seasons of bad adaptation.

Rather have him thrive in Europe closer to home and then come back later.

I think based on some of the glimpses I saw i. Pretty season that he will produce decently in Laval. 40-45 points

 

[Bombshell11]

I'm a huge Mesar fan, but I can't help but think you bring on a lot of the hate here against Mesar by yourself.

He will not dominate this year. But I do believe he will have a solid year. He's not even going to have the opportunity to dominate because he's not going to be handed the keys to the city from the start. He's going to have to work hard and prove he belongs, which I think he will.

I am counting that he'll be playing top PP minutes and he'll prove his worth this way while building his all around game. Im hoping by mid December he'll be running the first line and be playing top PP minutes at the same time. He was 2 PPG player in the Juniors, he did well in the Playoffs as well as the WJC. They really have to hate him otherwise.

Well BPM sports did a survery recently amongst their "experts" and 5 out of 8 guys gave him a D grade, they had him as the worst prospect. While Renaud Lavoie gave him a B+ grade and he had him in his top 3 best prospects.

Martin McGuire 98.5 play by play guy exclusively said on radio that Mesar was one of the better players on the ice during the second pre-season game.

I think who ever is watching him play gets it. Those who don't, whine and complain and try to force feed us their baseless opinions.

As for him dominating this year... im counting that Pascal Vincent is bright enough to realise the talent of Mesar. Mesar certainly can dominate on the scoresheet and do it regularly, its all about confidence and trust.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Send him to Europe to rebuild his confidence. The "adapt to the NA game" strategy has been a fiasco. Not because something "make sense" that it is what works.

Kid needs a break and some breathing room.

How has it been a fiasco? Him being just under a PPG playier his first year at Kitchener and over a PPG his second season + playoffs is a fiasco to you?

 

[montreal]

Yah that's not dominating

that would be an excellent season though, 50 pts for a 20 year old rookie. I have never been much of a fan as I often say, players that work hard when they feel like either learn quickly that their skill level will only take them so far so they either buy in and work hard consistently or they don't and end up in the Euro leagues.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'm not sure what his point totals will be but he's probably PP2 to start.. Farrell likely plays his position on PP1 and has earned that right after his rookie AHL year last year.

 

[montreal]

I'm not sure what his point totals will be but he's probably PP2 to start.. Farrell likely plays his position on PP1 and has earned that right after his rookie AHL year last year.

new coach so we'll see how he views things, but Farrell was easily one of the few players creating things consistently on the PP so I would be surprised if he's not on PP1, but then again Houle almost never had him on PP1 even when it was struggling badly.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

I think they should let him play in Laval for a yr, and then re-assess the situation. With Dack, Newhook, Laine, Slaf, Cauf and Suz as your top six, it will be difficult to dislodge any of them. Demidov will complement this top 6 next yr. Newhook will be bumped down. Either way, Dach is a question mark. With Armia and Dvo off the books, I can see Mesar on the third line in a few years. Pretty confident he will be better than Anderson, Dvo, Armia, Evans, Gally, Pezz as your bottom six.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I think they should let him play in Laval for a yr, and then re-assess the situation. With Dack, Newhook, Laine, Slaf, Cauf and Suz as your top six, it will be difficult to dislodge any of them. Demidov will complement this top 6 next yr. Newhook will be bumped down. Either way, Dach is a question mark. With Armia and Dvo off the books, I can see Mesar on the third line in a few years. Pretty confident he will be better than Anderson, Dvo, Armia, Evans, Gally, Pezz as your bottom six.

Unfortunately and unfairly for Mesar, he won't be assessed in a year around here. He will be assessed week-to-week because as many posters have expressed, this guy is terrible and should be shot out of a cannon to the other side of the moon. People lack patience with him when they have it in abundance for others.

Unless he gets traded, for me, I give him 2 AHL seasons before I can say he probably is a minor leaguer who does NHL spot duties or he'll probably return to Europe. I want to see progress along the way of course. But I don't need him to be a world beater or else he's worthless.

 

[montreal]

Unfortunately and unfairly for Mesar, he won't be assessed in a year around here. He will be assessed week-to-week because as many posters have expressed, this guy is terrible and should be shot out of a cannon to the other side of the moon. People lack patience with him when they have it in abundance for others.

Unless he gets traded, for me, I give him 2 AHL seasons before I can say he probably is a minor leaguer who does NHL spot duties or he'll probably return to Europe. I want to see progress along the way of course. But I don't need him to be a world beater or else he's worthless.

it's social media's fault, they turned humans into people with 3 second attention spans who want everything instantly. I feel like I've said it a million times but for most development is a long process over years for the non McDavids, Crosby's of the world. Of course the salary cap era changed things a bit as teams have had to get creative at times and push younger players to the league quicker but it doesn't mean it's better for them all.

But what you said is the key, it's all about progress or the lack of. Most posters just talk out their ass, no one and I mean no one knows what say a non McDavid type of prospect will turn into in terms of say will they even play 200 games in the NHL or not. That's why you need to keep an open mind on every prospect every year. That's why all I do is watch them from the start of the year and track their progress or lack of over the full season and then offer what I saw.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Unfortunately and unfairly for Mesar, he won't be assessed in a year around here. He will be assessed week-to-week because as many posters have expressed, this guy is terrible and should be shot out of a cannon to the other side of the moon. People lack patience with him when they have it in abundance for others.

Unless he gets traded, for me, I give him 2 AHL seasons before I can say he probably is a minor leaguer who does NHL spot duties or he'll probably return to Europe. I want to see progress along the way of course. But I don't need him to be a world beater or else he's worthless.

He has good stats with Kitchener. Saying he's terrible is throwing the towel early. By March, he gets traded for another AHL prospect looking for a fresh start, similar to what has been done before under BargainBin and continuing with the current regime.

 

[Adam Michaels]

He has good stats with Kitchener. Saying he's terrible is throwing the towel early. By March, he gets traded for another AHL prospect looking for a fresh start, similar to what has been done before under BargainBin and continuing with the current regime.

He did have good stats at Kitchener. Maybe not earth shattering stats, but good stats nonetheless.

But because he didn't have 70-80 pts there, people's perception of him is that he isn't worth it.

But I disagree with them. Especially when they push the narrative he's uniquely drafted for Slaf.

 

[Trabdy2]

I'd like to see Mesar in the next game lined up with a couple NHL level players to see how he does with them, similar to how Beck is getting a look tonight.

 

[Bombshell11]

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