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Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

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not quite yoda said:
Mesar needs to learn to be the man on a team and grow his own confidence level vs his peers. If he can dominate in the OHL he will be more likely to be a force in the AHL the season after. That's what he needs. Confidence, experience and progress.

Basicaly the opposite we did with Kotkaniemi.
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They should give Mesar 4 or 5 preseason games and decide after that if he should go to the CHL or AHL.
 
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Belial said:
They should give Mesar 4 or 5 preseason games and decide after that if he should go to the CHL or AHL.
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I would agree with you if you had been talking about Slaf. Mesar is by no means physically mature. Playing (very) well vs people his own age is better than struggling against 25 year old men. Mesar is not a dominant stud. Not right now. I know we have a new regime but a 28th or whatever overall pick need not be rushed.

admiralcadillac said:
Play Mesar 10 or 12 OHL years - let him learn.

Once he’s in his mid 30’s he’ll be ready for fourth line shot blocking duties.
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That is what you see out of your 1st round picks? Draft them so they can play 4th line minutes and block shots?
 
Bombshell11 said:
Watch buddy, watch and learn.

Mesar is playing Center for the habs right now
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What?
Bombshell11 said:
Im talking about the NHL here. He cant play Wing in the NHL there's no way
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I really don t understand what you are talking about. Mesar is a small shifty, nimble forward in today's NHL. Think of a (very) poor man's Marner. Sure a Marner COULD play C but what evidence do you show to back your claims about Mesar?
 
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admiralcadillac said:
Play Mesar 10 or 12 OHL years - let him learn.

Once he’s in his mid 30’s he’ll be ready for fourth line shot blocking duties.
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My sarcasm meter broke! :laugh:
not quite yoda said:
I would agree with you if you had been talking about Slaf. Mesar is by no means physically mature. Playing (very) well vs people his own age is better than struggling against 25 year old men. Mesar is not a dominant stud. Not right now. I know we have a new regime but a 28th or whatever overall pick need not be rushed.
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He was already playing with grownups last season and he was not getting physically dominated.

I think he'll do fine in the AHL right away.

But that's why I said give him as many preseason games as possible to see if he can do well against AHL/NHL opposition and then make the decision.
 
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not quite yoda said:
Mesar needs to learn to be the man on a team and grow his own confidence level vs his peers. If he can dominate in the OHL he will be more likely to be a force in the AHL the season after. That's what he needs. Confidence, experience and progress.

Basicaly the opposite we did with Kotkaniemi.
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The guy went to the olympics to represent his country playing hockey and what he supposedly needs is confidence? I don't buy it at all.
 
MoneyManny said:
The guy went to the olympics to represent his country playing hockey and what he supposedly needs is confidence? I don't buy it at all.
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playing in the NHL against the best in the world is not the same level as playing team canada captained by 37 year old eric staal is not the same. not the same level at all. if we want mesar to reach his full potential he needs to think of himself as the guy when he gets to the nhl. he has not been the guy vs men so far, neither has he owned an iihf tournament so far.

remember we are talking about mesar here not slaf. apples and oranges at present time.

if playing at the olympics (as you say) is the pre-requisite you need to play near nhl hockey, i guess mesar should have gone way earlier in the nhl draft, eh?
 
I said before the draft that the most important thing about this draft of Habs isn't the 1st overall pick, between Slaf, Cooley or Wright. It's after that... Scouts made pretty good job with Mesar at 26, Beck at 33 and Hutson at 62. That's unreal when you see that, if they reach their potential... Habs killing this draft.
 
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KevSkillz4 said:
I said before the draft that the most important thing about this draft of Habs isn't the 1st overall pick, between Slaf, Cooley or Wright. It's after that... Scouts made pretty good job with Mesar at 26, Beck at 33 and Hutson at 62. That's unreal when you see that, if they reach their potential... Habs killing this draft.
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We'll see if any of them actually pan out to be difference makers but it's looking promising.
 
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KevSkillz4 said:
I said before the draft that the most important thing about this draft of Habs isn't the 1st overall pick, between Slaf, Cooley or Wright. It's after that... Scouts made pretty good job with Mesar at 26, Beck at 33 and Hutson at 62. That's unreal when you see that, if they reach their potential... Habs killing this draft.
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Picks look good right now, let’s hope the development curve continues and they reach their potential.

We’re long overdue to have another “2007 draft” where we hit on multiple players being stars.
 
If we judge solely based on these last 2 games, I think I prefer Mesar on the wing vs. center. He seems to be more agressive and involved on the wing whereas at center, he seemed to be too mindful of positionning and defensive responsibilities. Way too early to make an accurate assessment, but that's just early impressions based on these 2 games.
 
not quite yoda said:
playing in the NHL against the best in the world is not the same level as playing team canada captained by 37 year old eric staal is not the same. not the same level at all. if we want mesar to reach his full potential he needs to think of himself as the guy when he gets to the nhl. he has not been the guy vs men so far, neither has he owned an iihf tournament so far.

remember we are talking about mesar here not slaf. apples and oranges at present time.

if playing at the olympics (as you say) is the pre-requisite you need to play near nhl hockey, i guess mesar should have gone way earlier in the nhl draft, eh?
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Well this is irrelevant since as someone else pointed out he didn't play in the olympics lol. But i don't think a player's confidence is proportional to his draft position. I'm pretty sure most guys who's been playing at the international level have sky high confidence in their abilities.

One of my childhood friends was a 3rd round pick in the NHL and only ended up playing several seasons in the big show before going to Europe, had a much weaker pedigree than Mesar and you better believe his confidence is the very last thing you would of found lacking with him, at any point of his career or as a child/teenager. Pro athletes have been raising their confidence since they're very young.

Of course you may be right but my opinion is it takes more than that to shatter these young guys.

vlady said:
Mesar didn't play at the Olympics
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Oops my bad, even i can be wrong sometimes! /s
 
BenchBrawl said:
Mysterious prospect. Hard to get a read on how good he is.
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He have high potential for sure. I really like his offensive ability, great hands, great shot, great passing ability, this guy is fun to watch. Great high reward pick.
 
I think playing in the OHL will give him a big boost, he probably could play in the AHL but he would just be trying to keep is head above the water, in the OHL he will dominate, Mesar doesn't seem like the kind of guy that sit back on is skills so it shouldn't set him back, the OHL might be a step a bit of a step down but the smaller ice, increase physicality and language those will be plenty of thing to adapt too, one year of OHL + WJC, one year of AHL and than will see after that if he is ready.
 
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Paddy17 said:
If we judge solely based on these last 2 games, I think I prefer Mesar on the wing vs. center. He seems to be more agressive and involved on the wing whereas at center, he seemed to be too mindful of positionning and defensive responsibilities. Way too early to make an accurate assessment, but that's just early impressions based on these 2 games.
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As a C, Mesar was good at driving the play. I don't know what game you watched.
 
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I really like his quick release. Doesn’t need to wind up like a Hudon would. The Brière vibes someone else mentionned, I get them too (with all due restraint - he’s still far off being just an NHLer)
 
Belial said:
My sarcasm meter broke! :laugh:

He was already playing with grownups last season and he was not getting physically dominated.

I think he'll do fine in the AHL right away.

But that's why I said give him as many preseason games as possible to see if he can do well against AHL/NHL opposition and then make the decision.
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Even then, we can still send him to the OHL if he starts in Laval and he can't cut it. It's a non-issue IMO.
 
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