Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

[Bombshell11]

okay lets relax we have no idea how Mesar would do in the OHL,Bedard his a better overall player and hes gonna be playing in the WHL this year

Hes not gonna lose hes skills playing juniors for 1 year but rushing prospects too quickly can kill hes confidence the kid is talented but lets chill with hes "too good" to play in the CHL

send him to Kitchener

He's already playing with Men... what are you saying. He's built to play in the pros. It will be a downgrade for his development. It wont be rushing him by brining him in the AHL. He's ready for the pros. Just most people have not seen him play and they have no idea how good he is. And of course i'm not talking about him scoring 120 pts in the NHL right away... i'm saying he will be able to follow the rhythm and adapt to the pros fairly quickly.

Plenty of players score alot of pts in the juniors and never make it in the NHL. Why do you believe sending him down there will do any good to his development? What is he going to learn that will translate to the NHL?

What ever he's got right now is things you don't want him to lose. His determination, his fire. You rather have him work hard in the training facilities, be around the pros and learn from them than waste his time in the minors where he wont learn anything.

 

[Sorinth]

He's already playing with Men... what are you saying. He's built to play in the pros. It will be a downgrade for his development. It wont be rushing him by brining him in the AHL. He's ready for the pros. Just most people have not seen him play and they have no idea how good he is. And of course i'm not talking about him scoring 120 pts in the NHL right away... i'm saying he will be able to follow the rhythm and adapt to the pros fairly quickly.

Plenty of players score alot of pts in the juniors and never make it in the NHL. Why do you believe sending him down there will do any good to his development? What is he going to learn that will translate to the NHL?

What ever he's got right now is things you don't want him to lose. His determination, his fire. You rather have him work hard in the training facilities, be around the pros and learn from them than waste his time in the minors where he wont learn anything.

Agreed. He was productive enough in the Slovak league that he should continue to play against men so that he can build on what he's already done. Going to juniors and racking up points is more likely to create bad habits when we want him building pro-habits.

Now I'm not a huge fan of bringing 18 year olds to play in the AHL unless they are going to be top-line guys in the AHL. So if he's not dominant at TC then it should be either Europe or possibly ECHL for him. Juniors should only be considered if you expect problems with his Euro team (Some teams don't want to give minutes to guys who will be gone in a year or two).

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

He's already playing with Men... what are you saying. He's built to play in the pros. It will be a downgrade for his development. It wont be rushing him by brining him in the AHL. He's ready for the pros. Just most people have not seen him play and they have no idea how good he is. And of course i'm not talking about him scoring 120 pts in the NHL right away... i'm saying he will be able to follow the rhythm and adapt to the pros fairly quickly.

Plenty of players score alot of pts in the juniors and never make it in the NHL. Why do you believe sending him down there will do any good to his development? What is he going to learn that will translate to the NHL?

What ever he's got right now is things you don't want him to lose. His determination, his fire. You rather have him work hard in the training facilities, be around the pros and learn from them than waste his time in the minors where he wont learn anything.

Hes a 18 year old kid i want him to keep developing hes skills and offense and in the AHL he might try to focus more on hes defense hes a smaller body so i rather him try to become the best offensive player he can be and going to the juniors for one year dominate a league he can will imo help him more in the long run then go play in a much stronger league like the AHL yes im fully awared he played against men in the slovak league but the AHL is alot better and harder why risk him playing in Laval in a limited role where he will have to focus more on a 2 way role when he can go to Kitchener play top minutes and PP and develop hes offense even more

If you really think him going to juniors to play 1 year will hurt hes development then idk what else to tell you better players will play in the CHL this year

 

[Bombshell11]

Hes a 18 year old kid i want him to keep developing hes skills and offense and in the AHL he might try to focus more on hes defense hes a smaller body so i rather him try to become the best offensive player he can be and going to the juniors for one year dominate a league he can will imo help him more in the long run then go play in a much stronger league like the AHL yes im fully awared he played against men in the slovak league but the AHL is alot better and harder why risk him playing in Laval in a limited role where he will have to focus more on a 2 way role when he can go to Kitchener play top minutes and PP and develop hes offense even more

If you really think him going to juniors to play 1 year will hurt hes development then idk what else to tell you better players will play in the CHL this year

How do you know he will play in a limited role if he starts in the AHL? There's potential the guy starts in the NHL. He's that good. He can stand on his own against men on 1vs1 battles, he's already very skilled and creative for his age.

Watch this games man, don't just look at his draft position.

 

[SlafySZN]

How do you know he will play in a limited role if he starts in the AHL? There's potential the guy starts in the NHL. He's that good. He can stand on his own against men on 1vs1 battles, he's already very skilled and creative for his age.

Watch this games man, don't just look at his draft position.

There’s absolutely no chance he starts in the NHL

 

[Bombshell11]

There’s absolutely no chance he starts in the NHL

show me some one from the org that said that

 

[Adam Michaels]

I really hope that he is going to play in OHL. His skillset fit perfectly in OHL. If he can put at least 80 points, that would be a pretty good.

For me, AHL first option. OHL after. But that's my own preference.

Because Mesar has been playing against men the last two years, I feel like he's ready to play at the AHL level right away.

But if he's sent down to Kitchener, I won't be upset.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Tomas Tatar went to the AHL at 18 from Slovak Extraliga and he held his own there (32p in 58 games). Now was this the correct choice for his development? He has said in an interview that the transition was very difficult for him- new country, living on his own, faster and stronger opposition, lots of pressure.

Style and skill wise, I think Tatar and Mesar are quite similar- both small and skilled wingers that can create offense. And Tatar has been struggling at producing consistently nearly his whole career in the NHL. Obviously there is a lot more to take in to consideration when comparing the two, but I wonder if Tatar could have turned out differently if he went to the juniors in his D+1 season and had a chance to dominate there, instead of trying (managing) to survive the AHL.

I think the advantage Mesar has that Tatar didn't is that whether Slafkovsky plays in Montreal or Laval, they can live together. So whereas Tatar had to adjust to living alone and all that, Mesar and Slaf at the very least have eachother.

 

[Sterling Archer]

show me some one from the org that said that

I believe there’s a quote from each the 897 forwards currently on the Habs roster, all with one way NHL contracts that say he won’t make the big club to start the year.

 

[Seb]

I think the advantage Mesar has that Tatar didn't is that whether Slafkovsky plays in Montreal or Laval, they can live together. So whereas Tatar had to adjust to living alone and all that, Mesar and Slaf at the very least have eachother.

It's a double edged sword. Being two young men in Montréal it could easily go wrong.

I hope they both get surrounded with grounded people so we don't have to watch them throw away their future like the Kostitsyn brothers and Galchenyuk did.

 

[goforit]

He's already playing with Men... what are you saying. He's built to play in the pros. It will be a downgrade for his development. It wont be rushing him by brining him in the AHL. He's ready for the pros. Just most people have not seen him play and they have no idea how good he is. And of course i'm not talking about him scoring 120 pts in the NHL right away... i'm saying he will be able to follow the rhythm and adapt to the pros fairly quickly.

Plenty of players score alot of pts in the juniors and never make it in the NHL. Why do you believe sending him down there will do any good to his development? What is he going to learn that will translate to the NHL?

What ever he's got right now is things you don't want him to lose. His determination, his fire. You rather have him work hard in the training facilities, be around the pros and learn from them than waste his time in the minors where he wont learn anything.

Honnest question here. Have you watched a lot of pro games from him?

 

[Adam Michaels]

It's a double edged sword. Being two young men in Montréal it could easily go wrong.

I hope they both get surrounded with grounded people so we don't have to watch them throw away their future like the Kostitsyn brothers and Galchenyuk did.

I trust they're responsible kids. Slaf has lived on his own since he was 14-15. He's already ahead in terms of maturity then Galchenyuk or the Kostitsyn brothers ever were.

Suzuki lived with Cale Fleury when they first turned pro and they didn't have any issues.

 

[A55P2]

What's the difference between him and Mysak though? Mysak played in a superior league in 2019-2020 and then went to the OHL. I do also think Mesar will start in the AHL, but it's not like we haven't seen euro players be sent to the CHL before after playing in an euro league.

 

[Hins77]

What's the difference between him and Mysak though? Mysak played in a superior league in 2019-2020 and then went to the OHL. I do also think Mesar will start in the AHL, but it's not like we haven't seen euro players be sent to the CHL before after playing in an euro league.

Mesar is clearly a better player than Mysak. Mysak didnt had a great season in the AHL. Mesar would do probably better. We need to evaluate him at the camp, where he should go.

 

[Captain97]

Tomas Tatar went to the AHL at 18 from Slovak Extraliga and he held his own there (32p in 58 games). Now was this the correct choice for his development? He has said in an interview that the transition was very difficult for him- new country, living on his own, faster and stronger opposition, lots of pressure.

Style and skill wise, I think Tatar and Mesar are quite similar- both small and skilled wingers that can create offense. And Tatar has been struggling at producing consistently nearly his whole career in the NHL. Obviously there is a lot more to take in to consideration when comparing the two, but I wonder if Tatar could have turned out differently if he went to the juniors in his D+1 season and had a chance to dominate there, instead of trying (managing) to survive the AHL.

The bolded is verifiable false. Tatar was one of the most consistent 2nd line forwards in the NHL his entire career except in Montreal where he produced like a first liner and had career years.

In his sophmore year he scored 19 goals in 73 games and after that he scored 20-25 (one year of 29) for 6 straight seasons including shortened ones.

He then slowed down when he turned 30 and even then paced for 15+ one year and actually got 15 the next.

You can play the what if game with every player in the league. You can't just say maybe this or that.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

How do you know he will play in a limited role if he starts in the AHL? There's potential the guy starts in the NHL. He's that good. He can stand on his own against men on 1vs1 battles, he's already very skilled and creative for his age.

Watch this games man, don't just look at his draft position.

give me time to atleast drink my coffee in the morning before having to read stuff like this

 

[Bombshell11]

Honnest question here. Have you watched a lot of pro games from him?

Answer: Yes

Filip Mesar at eliteprospects.com Game Logs

 

[Sorinth]

The bolded is verifiable false. Tatar was one of the most consistent 2nd line forwards in the NHL his entire career except in Montreal where he produced like a first liner and had career years.

In his sophmore year he scored 19 goals in 73 games and after that he scored 20-25 (one year of 29) for 6 straight seasons including shortened ones.

He then slowed down when he turned 30 and even then paced for 15+ one year and actually got 15 the next.

You can play the what if game with every player in the league. You can't just say maybe this or that.

An argument could be made that all 20-25 goal scorer are by their very nature inconsistent because if they were consistent they would be putting up 30+.

In any case Tatar has to be considered a draft/development success.

 

[Captain97]

An argument could be made that all 20-25 goal scorer are by their very nature inconsistent because if they were consistent they would be putting up 30+.

In any case Tatar has to be considered a draft/development success.

I don't think you know what consistent means given the statement you just made...

 

[26Mats]

I trust they're responsible kids. Slaf has lived on his own since he was 14-15. He's already ahead in terms of maturity then Galchenyuk or the Kostitsyn brothers ever were.

Suzuki lived with Cale Fleury when they first turned pro and they didn't have any issues.

I still hope they keep a much closer eye on Slaf than they did the Kostitsyn brothers. He's still young and can be tempted into all sorts of things in a city like MTL.

 

[Sorinth]

I don't think you know what consistent means given the statement you just made...

So in your mind Drouin is a consistent player given that his ppg average has been fairly consistent over the past 6 years?

 

[Captain97]

So in your mind Drouin is a consistent player given that his ppg average has been fairly consistent over the past 6 years?

His production/game is consistent yes. That's what the word means.

His actual production is not given injuries. But you said per game so: Drouin paces for 50 +/- 5 points every year. That is consistent points per game.

"acting or done in the same way over time, especially so as to be fair or accurate."

Or another definition:

"unchanging in nature, standard, or effect over time."

 

[Team_Spirit]

Jici has doubts about Mesar.

Future captain superstar confirmed.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I don't think Habs will regret Jiri Kulich, Filip Mesar sound like a very very good player to me. Call me dumb, but the fact that he know pretty much Slafkovsky and they have already a great chemistry... that's a pretty good chance to be translate at NHL level... that will help the transition, they know each other and have great attitude.

The talent of Mesar is a no doubt a 1st round talent, mock draft, rankings put always him between 15-32. Even @Goldenhands put him in his top 10 rankings. I certainly see a career like Ondrej Palat... 50-60 points, both are hard worker, both have great offensive talent, they have some similtaries. Saku Koivu too is a good comparable to his skillset, Mesar is a underrated prospect, he have very good hands... he is going to be fun to watch if he reach his potential!

 

[Goldenhands]

What's the difference between him and Mysak though? Mysak played in a superior league in 2019-2020 and then went to the OHL. I do also think Mesar will start in the AHL, but it's not like we haven't seen euro players be sent to the CHL before after playing in an euro league.

Mesar is simply much more talended with the puck and thinks the game at another level, his offensive awarenesses are among the best of his draft class. Mysak is more a lehkonen type of player, compete hard at both ends, but has limited skills and upside.