Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

[morhilane]

Can someone explain why Mesar was taken so high? He went ahead of some very high quality guys and I don't understand or see what they saw that made them jump on him.

Mesar wasn't taken high. There was a lots of kids in the same 10ish ranks between 25 and 35. Owen Beck had a similar ranks spread among online scouting publication and the Habs took him at 33.

He's also exactly the type of boom/bust prospect you want to gamble on with a late 1st round pick if you don't want to go with a safe bottom 6 option.

 

[Bombshell11]

Bombshell dosent wanna send him down because he's gonna put up 1ppg again me thinks

Well i hope that Mesar develops well, it will be a shame if his talents get wasted

 

[Deebs]

Well i hope that Mesar develops well, it will be a shame if his talents get wasted

No kidding

 

[Tyson]

I hope Houle leaves him in the line up so Mesar himself either gets his game going or realizes the AHL is to difficult for him.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Mesar wasn't taken high. There was a lots of kids in the same 10ish ranks between 25 and 35. Owen Beck had a similar ranks spread among online scouting publication and the Habs took him at 33.

He's also exactly the type of boom/bust prospect you want to gamble on with a late 1st round pick if you don't want to go with a safe bottom 6 option.

I vaguely remember Lapointe mentioning that his nationality might have helped him bumping in front of a similar player in their final ranking.

 

[1909]

I vaguely remember Lapointe mentioning that his nationality might have helped him bumping in front of a similar player in their final ranking.

To help Slaf in his new life in North America ? That should not be a factor. Slaf was playing in Finland and was cooking his own meals at 16.

 

[Mrb1p]

Mesar wasn't taken high. There was a lots of kids in the same 10ish ranks between 25 and 35. Owen Beck had a similar ranks spread among online scouting publication and the Habs took him at 33.

He's also exactly the type of boom/bust prospect you want to gamble on with a late 1st round pick if you don't want to go with a safe bottom 6 option.

Mesar was taken high. He was never really a boom or bust. He lacked fundamental skills that make a boom or bust.

Jagger Firkus, Brad Lambert, David Goyette, Hunter Haight, Dmitri Buchelnikov and Jordan Dumais were boom or busts.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

To help Slaf in his new life in North America ? That should not be a factor. Slaf was playing in Finland and was cooking his own meals at 16.

Not to mention the fact they aren’t going to be teammates for a few years at least by which time Slaf will be accustomed to life here. If that was part of the reasoning it was stupid.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Not to mention the fact they aren’t going to be teammates for a few years at least by which time Slaf will be accustomed to life here. If that was part of the reasoning it was stupid.

And it wasn't.. people will just take a small nugget of whatever speak and use it as a narrative to pan a decision they didn't like.

Do we really think an entire scouting staff, and upper management, said yes let's use the 26th pick on Slaf's friend? And had his ability tiers below the other available players?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

What Houle said was pretty concerning.
He does not play him because of defensive concerns.
And he does not know what the GM wants with him either.
So like bad organizations, he will bench the probably best prospect instead of doing his job and developing him on the ice. So he does videos.

It's the Tinordi development model, just like Primeau. They should seriously think about not drafting at all and do deals like Dach or Newhook. Get players that are already developed, because this is not working.

But 80% of people are confident that we are heading in the right direction...

This is good news on Mesar, the best I have heard in a while. Send him to the OHL, if Kitchener will even take him back

And it wasn't.. people will just take a small nugget of whatever speak and use it as a narrative to pan a decision they didn't like.

Do we really think an entire scouting staff, and upper management, said yes let's use the 26th pick on Slaf's friend? And had his ability tiers below the other available players?

No it obviously wasn't the only factor, but when you have a group of players in a similar range, I'm sure it made the decision easier for Hughes thinking that it will be a fun narrative if it pans out

 

[Seb]

And it wasn't.. people will just take a small nugget of whatever speak and use it as a narrative to pan a decision they didn't like.

Do we really think an entire scouting staff, and upper management, said yes let's use the 26th pick on Slaf's friend? And had his ability tiers below the other available players?

It's just like Louis Leblanc. Some people simply cannot conceive that the team legitimately had them as the BPA even tho they were picked pretty much were they were ranked.

They don't like the pick to they use any easy argument they can find to blame the team. It MUST be because he's french canadian! It MUST be because he's Slaf's friend!

 

[1909]

Kulich has always been rated better than Mesar in any rankings. How come they took Mesar ?

 

[WeThreeKings]

It's just like Louis Leblanc. Some people simply cannot conceive that the team legitimately had them as the BPA even tho they were picked pretty much were they were ranked.

They don't like the pick to they use any easy argument they can find to blame the team. It MUST be because he's french canadian! It MUST be because he's Slaf's friend!

If the Habs picked Kulich and he wasn't doing as well as Mesar, the whole narrative would be how the Habs picked two players in round 1 that were based off 'short tournaments' only.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

And it wasn't.. people will just take a small nugget of whatever speak and use it as a narrative to pan a decision they didn't like.

Do we really think an entire scouting staff, and upper management, said yes let's use the 26th pick on Slaf's friend? And had his ability tiers below the other available players?

Maybe they had him below the other guy, but in the same tier and let nationality elevate him above. We know they did that with the Reinbacher pick so it’s not unreasonable to think they did it with the Mesar pick.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Maybe they had him below the other guy, but in the same tier and let nationality elevate him above. We know they did that with the Reinbacher pick so it’s not unreasonable to think they did it with the Mesar pick.

If it's the same tier of player, then yes they are going to use specific determinations to determine who they would take.

But that's a different thing from only taking him because he's Slaf's friend.

That's where the narrative takes on an incorrect, dangerous and stupid nature.

 

[morhilane]

Kulich has always been rated better than Mesar in any rankings. How come they took Mesar ?

It's not just the Habs who skipped on Kulich, he went 28, but was ranked late mid-1st to early 20s depending which scouting publications you look at (Bob had him at 18). The question you should ask is "what was the scouts's issue(s) with Kulich?".

Anyway, the real problem with Mesar is that Habs management can't make a decision fast enough about where he should be playing. They did it last year, they are doing it again this year.

 

[CheldishGamibno]

What Houle said was pretty concerning.
He does not play him because of defensive concerns.
And he does not know what the GM wants with him either.
So like bad organizations, he will bench the probably best prospect instead of doing his job and developing him on the ice. So he does videos.

Source? Not doubting you, just want to know where you heard this. If this is true, it's very concerning and it could mean we're still stuck in the same development mediocrity loophole. Sigh..

I've never liked Houle anyways, would've never hired anyone with the same bloodline as Réjean.

 

[schwang26]

Well, he's good at developing 3rd and 4th line players. Just skate hard, work hard, and be defensively conscious without making turnovers. We can have a whole factory of Gignac's and Begin's.

If that's what's been drafted, what do you expect? There's some good players down there, but no one is getting touted as a supstar. Mesar is the highest drafted and that was a late 1st round. I think people need to lay off Houle a bit with the so called "development" issues. Let's see what happens with Roy and Mesar before crapping on Laval.

I hope Houle leaves him in the line up so Mesar himself either gets his game going or realizes the AHL is to difficult for him.

I honestly thought he looked good in his first game. Not sure why everyone is panicking already.

 

[HuGort]

Mesar wasn't best player available, he was chosen because Slaf best friend. Part of Hughes culture. Many in the Habs wanted Kulich. But I imagine they will handle him with kid gloves.

 

[1909]

Source? Not doubting you, just want to know where you heard this. If this is true, it's very concerning and it could mean we're still stuck in the same development mediocrity loophole. Sigh..

I've never liked Houle anyways, would've never hired anyone with the same bloodline as Réjean.

???????

 

[Skip Bayless]

Just think of Roy as our 2nd first round pick in 2022.

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[ChesterNimitz]

If that's what's been drafted, what do you expect? There's some good players down there, but no one is getting touted as a supstar. Mesar is the highest drafted and that was a late 1st round. I think people need to lay off Houle a bit with the so called "development" issues. Let's see what happens with Roy and Mesar before crapping on Laval.


I honestly thought he looked good in his first game. Not sure why everyone is panicking already.

Hey, its Habs fans. It’s never too early to panic.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Source? Not doubting you, just want to know where you heard this. If this is true, it's very concerning and it could mean we're still stuck in the same development mediocrity loophole. Sigh..

I've never liked Houle anyways, would've never hired anyone with the same bloodline as Réjean.

The poster you are quoting was just spewing nonsense (especially with the latter half of that quote) and Houle was absolutely correct in telling Mysak to focus more on his overall game as he is not an offensive prospect and is well down the list in the organization as far as pure skill is concerned. Hughes and MSL have talked about prospects needing to find their chair and this is all Houle was doing. Mysak's ticket to the NHL is as a bottom six defensive prospect who hopefully can chip in some offence as he goes to the net and has a decent shot. Him attempting to play too pretty in the AHL is only going to hurt himself and his chances of ever playing in the NHL.

I love his compete level and he has made some improvements to his skating so he has a chance but Houle is 100% doing him a favour by telling him the difficult truth.

The last sentence kind of confirms the overall bias against Houle by some posters as it is irrational imo and not warranted. The fact that he was a Bergevin hire also plays a huge factor...

Mesar was easily one of the worst players on the ice tonight as he made at least 3 awful turnovers. That being said he showed some flashes as well and we just need to be patient and let the process play out instead of taking the lazy way out and blaming the coach which is the common layman's response.

 

[Scriptor]

Just think of Roy as our 2nd first round pick in 2022.

He might have been picked late at 26th OA, then, the way he displaying in the AHL?