Prospect Info: Filip Mesar

Ezpz

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Is he staying in Laval? A big AHL season and the bust talk will subside… (even if I wanted Kulich)
I don't think they'll decide until the AHL season is already a week or two in. They're still in their preseason. Their final preseason game was today. First game is next Friday, so I'd expect a decision by the 20th or so.
 

HabzSauce

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Anyone been able to catch any Laval games? Curious how's he's playing since being sent down
 

The Gr8 Dane

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You can tell the kids got alot of talk and confidence It probably comes from his ability to make small area plays at high speed. He's probably looking around and seeing that nobody is playing this type of game and executing these plays in his minor team, it's why he always looks better in camp and with pro level players than in juniors, that's just my opinion, he's wrong for thinking that because he needs to develop a complete game regardless of the areas of the game he is good at or he's never going to be anything but I'm just trying to explain in my opinion , why he would think he's too good for the OHL, he's wrong but I think I understand why he feels like that. Still wrong tho.
 

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So according to some, Buffalo is planning to stop his development by playing him at 18 in the NHL?

What line will he be playing on?
Benson didn't embarass himself in his draft year with awful production in his draft year league. He has nothing left to learn there even if he appears physically slight -- he clearly knows how to leverage his body to his advantage against the competition he's regularly faced. If the Habs used the same standards we wouldn't have seen Kotkaniemi or Slafkovsky rushed to the NHL. Hell, we probably wouldn't have seen them drafted by the Habs in the first place.
 

BaseballCoach

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Benson has already dominated the WHL.
That's good but not always necessary. Brady did not dominate the NCAA and he was ready. Patrice Bergeron did not dominate the Q. It's all an individual thing when dealing with guys exceptional enough to be top half the 1st round picks.

Still concerned a bit with Benson's, but personally I had him higher than some of the guys drafted between 6th and 12th. Glad to see him draw some eyeballs.

What is encouraging for Zach is that most players who make the NHL at their first camp do very well, if not immediately, then within a couple of years of further growth. The odds are clearly better for those in the first-camp group than those who have to pass through the AHL first.

Just wondering, what line is Benson starting out on?
 
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Benson didn't embarass himself in his draft year with awful production in his draft year league. He has nothing left to learn there even if he appears physically slight -- he clearly knows how to leverage his body to his advantage against the competition he's regularly faced. If the Habs used the same standards we wouldn't have seen Kotkaniemi or Slafkovsky rushed to the NHL. Hell, we probably wouldn't have seen them drafted by the Habs in the first place.
Hyperbole and cherry-picking does not make your sometimes valid points stronger. The exaggerations and selective stat quoting kinds of detracts from the valid points you make, actually.
 

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Hyperbole and cherry-picking does not make your sometimes valid points stronger. The exaggerations and selective stat quoting kinds of detracts from the valid points you make, actually.
Cherry picking like mentioning draftees from 2003?
 

BaseballCoach

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Cherry picking like mentioning draftees from 2003?
Cherry picking like focusing on a handful of low-point games in Liiga but ignoring as many games or MORE with much better results.

Exaggerating like telling us he was demoted from his Liiga team multiple times when that is not true; it was once, brief and he killed it for the few games he was down.

The strength or weakness of the 2022 crop is not Slaf's fault.

The Habs picking the guy that the most NHL scouts had at #1 was not a reach.

Playing Slaf in the NHL at 18 in an environment where he did not get the Shane Wright treatment and management had realistic expectations is NOT a "new approach to development". Quite standard, actually.

Blaming his leg injury on being "rushed" is completely unfair seeing as the whole team has been plagued with leg injuries for 2-3 years already, and that even Laval had a large amount of the same luck.

Surprise, surprise, Slaf looked way better at this year's camp than last year's camp. It's just not objective to conclude that he was played in the NHL prematurely.

Note: when a player is ready, by definition this should not be seen as "'rushed". The alternative, perhaps more fair actually, is to stop reading any negative connotation to the act "rushing" if all it means is that a team quickly placed a new recruit in the NHL.

I think people who oppose the decision to place him on the Habs last year love using that word because it is factually true that the player was in the NHL very quickly, so it allows them to slip their conclusion into their argument.

Anyone familiar with debating tactics can pretty easily unpack this, however.

Not surprisingly, the majority of the people saying that Slaf's draft year performances were unworthy of his being selected #1 are the same people constantly harping on the "rushed" narrative. This might be because of human nature - admitting he belonged in the NHL is kind of admitting he had strong qualities right off the bat, which might mean that a #1 selection in a weak year might be justified after all, and we can't have that!
 

BaseballCoach

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Kulich has already had a year in the AHL. He should have made the team if he was a top end talent over Benson.
Only if you assume the best players make the team. Those who turn themsleves into pretzels to argue against that might conclude that Kulich needs to be sent down in order to mazimize his future impact, whereas Benson is being played on one of the bottom two lines in Buffalo and will therefore never improve. Better to reserve that fate for the worse of the two players.

ROFL.
 

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Not surprisingly, the majority of the people saying that Slaf's draft year performances were unworthy of his being selected #1 are the same people constantly harping on the "rushed" narrative. This might be because of human nature - admitting he belonged in the NHL is kind of admitting he had strong qualities right off the bat, which might mean that a #1 selection in a weak year might be justified after all, and we can't have that!
He wasn't ready to play in the NHL because he wasn't meant to be the 1OA. He proved he wasn't ready for the NHL last year with his performances in the NHL. Performances so bad you have to dig back over 20 years to find comparables.

Obviously the two concepts are related and held in kind.
 

BaseballCoach

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He wasn't ready to play in the NHL because he wasn't meant to be the 1OA. He proved he wasn't ready for the NHL last year with his performances in the NHL. Performances so bad you have to dig back over 20 years to find comparables.

Obviously the two concepts are related and held in kind.
No, actually, many non #1s in the past have made the NHL at 18. We have one on the team right now who worked out great!

Slaf did not actually "prove" he was not ready with his performances. While disappointing you and some other fans, Slaf fulfilled his coaches' and GM's expectations.

Fans measure his points. Team management measures his progression toward being part of the play, creating threats, being conscious defensively, etc.

So far management seems to have been right, that Slaf was able to grow from last year. But it is still very early to come to a conclusion when the player is just 19. He might continue on his growth path, he might stagnate, or he might break out at some point.

There is room for you to be more objective.
 
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No, actually, many non #1s in the past have made the NHL at 18. We have one on the team right now who worked out great!

Slaf did not actually "prove" he was not ready with his performances. While disappointing you and some other fans, Slaf fulfilled his coaches' and GM's expectations.

Fans measure his points. Team management measures his progression toward being part of the play, creating threats, being conscious defensively, etc.

So far management seems to have been right, that Slaf was able to grow from last year. But it is still very early to come to a conclusion when the player is just 19. He might continue on his growth path, he might stagnate, or he might break out at some point.

There is room for you to be more objective.

Who?
 

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Not even in the top-15 in Laval during this morning practice. It tells a lot.

He wasn't ready to play in the NHL because he wasn't meant to be the 1OA. He proved he wasn't ready for the NHL last year with his performances in the NHL. Performances so bad you have to dig back over 20 years to find comparables.

Obviously the two concepts are related and held in kind.
That is exageration at its best.
 

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If he goes to the OHL he should score 1.25ppg at least to not be considered a bust. If not he's a small offensive winger who struggle to produce offense.
 

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If he goes to the OHL he should score 1.25ppg at least to not be considered a bust. If not he's a small offensive winger who struggle to produce offense.
Maybe they should keep him as a centerman ????

For me, keeping Kidney over Mesar is a big concern about Mesar level.
 

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