Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part II

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Lgrsean

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Theyll probably play Kravtsov in the top 9 when he stops pulling up on hits and getting knocked down by a stiff breeze. He needs a summer of real training and the Rangers arent going to shoehorn him in over better players. He has done literally nothing to deserve it.
Gallant is probably thinking something along those lines, but he got less than 120 minutes with bread and trocheck. The team could benefit in the short term (in the top 9 and 4th line) as well as the long term (where we only have 1 top 9 RW) from giving him a longer look that very few young players don't need to show they can compete on this level.
 

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Gallant is probably thinking something along those lines, but he got less than 120 minutes with bread and trocheck. The team could benefit in the short term (in the top 9 and 4th line) as well as the long term (where we only have 1 top 9 RW) from giving him a longer look that very few young players don't need to show they can compete on this level.

Not sure that any of this really belongs in the Chytil thread but...

Kravtsov has done f*** all to really deserve a long look in the top 9.

FWIW, Panarin and Trocheck had better numbers with out him than they did with him -

From Nov 8th onwards (When Krav returned into the lineup after making the biggest impact he's going to make in this league when he was dumped into the boards in Dallas)

With Kravtsov - CF% of 54.93 (looks good right? Wait for it) and an expected goal share of 49.26

With out Krav - CF% of 58.41(!) and an expected goal share of 54.70(!!!)

Those 2 were better with Lafreniere than they were with Kravtsov FWIW.

I'll concede that the eye test says that Panarin-Tro was not a combo that was really working, but f*** maybe they should find an actual RW who can play with those guys because most of the analytics just really point to bad luck being the driver in the ineffectiveness.

Also, If you're going with what is currently here, Vesey is a MUCH better 3rd wheel for Kreider-Trocheck than Goodrow, who has single handedly dragged that line down.

Chytil-Krav OTOH (and in limited time) cooked pretty well but a big chunk of that was against the likes of Montreal and Columbus.

Kravtsov should have taken a page out of Chytil's book and taken the demotion last year and worked his way back up. He's f***ed with his own development by jerking himself back and forth across the pond and missing valuable reps. He isn't half the player Chytil is and his attitude is shit.

Anyway, back to the wonder that is Filip Chytil.
 

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I’d sign Chytil to that deal today. He has star quality and they can’t repeat the mistake they made with Buch. Locking down Chytil and Miller should be priority 1 over any outside move

Of course you sign that contract problem is they literally don’t have the money to do it. They have to sign Miller chytil and laf and god forbid laf goes off anytime soon.

They’re going to have to find a way out of the Goodrow contract unfortunately at minimum
 

Lgrsean

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Not sure that any of this really belongs in the Chytil thread but...

Kravtsov has done f*** all to really deserve a long look in the top 9.

FWIW, Panarin and Trocheck had better numbers with out him than they did with him -

From Nov 8th onwards (When Krav returned into the lineup after making the biggest impact he's going to make in this league when he was dumped into the boards in Dallas)

With Kravtsov - CF% of 54.93 (looks good right? Wait for it) and an expected goal share of 49.26

With out Krav - CF% of 58.41(!) and an expected goal share of 54.70(!!!)

Those 2 were better with Lafreniere than they were with Kravtsov FWIW.

I'll concede that the eye test says that Panarin-Tro was not a combo that was really working, but f*** maybe they should find an actual RW who can play with those guys because most of the analytics just really point to bad luck being the driver in the ineffectiveness.

Also, If you're going with what is currently here, Vesey is a MUCH better 3rd wheel for Kreider-Trocheck than Goodrow, who has single handedly dragged that line down.

Chytil-Krav OTOH (and in limited time) cooked pretty well but a big chunk of that was against the likes of Montreal and Columbus.

Kravtsov should have taken a page out of Chytil's book and taken the demotion last year and worked his way back up. He's f***ed with his own development by jerking himself back and forth across the pond and missing valuable reps. He isn't half the player Chytil is and his attitude is shit.

Anyway, back to the wonder that is Filip Chytil.
I brought up Kravtsov in relation to how signing Chytil and Miller to longer term deals would be easier if Kravtsov had more ice time to see what we have at RW depth going into next season. Kravtsov has done as much as any Rangers forward has done in their 1st 50 games (spread over 2 seasons) to deserve top 9 TOI. They must have thought he could work in the top 9 to make the roster out of camp, and I don't think there's been enough of a sample size to change that opinion.

I agree that Vesey would be better on the Kreider/Trocheck line, but I think giving Kravtsov some run with Bread/Mika before the trade deadline could: 1, work. 2, give the Rangers insight into their future RW depth. and 3, strengthen the 4th line with Goodrow replacing Leschyshyn who would have likely been passed up by every team in the NHL if the Rangers didn't claim him.

It doesn't look like we completely agree or disagree on Kravtsov, but we obviously agree that Chytil is a beast and will hopefully be a Ranger for a long time.
 

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I brought up Kravtsov in relation to how signing Chytil and Miller to longer term deals would be easier if Kravtsov had more ice time to see what we have at RW depth going into next season. Kravtsov has done as much as any Rangers forward has done in their 1st 50 games (spread over 2 seasons) to deserve top 9 TOI. They must have thought he could work in the top 9 to make the roster out of camp, and I don't think there's been enough of a sample size to change that opinion.

I agree that Vesey would be better on the Kreider/Trocheck line, but I think giving Kravtsov some run with Bread/Mika before the trade deadline could: 1, work. 2, give the Rangers insight into their future RW depth. and 3, strengthen the 4th line with Goodrow replacing Leschyshyn who would have likely been passed up by every team in the NHL if the Rangers didn't claim him.

It doesn't look like we completely agree or disagree on Kravtsov, but we obviously agree that Chytil is a beast and will hopefully be a Ranger for a long time.
Kravtsov just needs to get stronger. If I am the coaching staff I would tell him to not even really hit the ice for a month. Just get jacked at the gym. Talent isn't the issue here, he clearly has it.
 

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Chris Drury is going to have to do some cap gymnastics to keep Filip at this rate.
 

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The one thing in common with all of the goals hes scored recently is the quick release.

He's shooting in stride, he's releasing the puck without hesitation, sometimes like the goal in Montreal on the one timer he just got it on net from pretty far out. But all of them, including last nights backhander in close, hes not giving the goalie any time to get set.

There isnt any thinking, looking to pick a corner or a specific spot. We see that from a lot of players including Laf and Kakko right now. Its all about the speed of getting it on net.

We see the same type of release from Matthews and Robertson. Maybe not as devastating and consistently accurate, but the quickness of the release is what's beating goalies. And thats not something that will go away, once you figure that out - sometimes you dont even need it to be the hardest shot you can take - you just get it on net and quickly. Then you refine the accuracy.

The goals will keep piling up for him.

The great thing is his linemates see it and before long will start following suit. Gotta think its rubbed off on Marner given his goal total this season and last. Kakko and Laf especially have the ability and skillset to work on that release during the summer and should make a point of trying to emulate what Chytil is doing. Then that line will be über dangerous.
 
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Can't base a contract solely on a hot streak or 1 season. Have to at least look at the last 3 seasons and then make a fair offer.
 

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Can't base a contract solely on a hot streak or 1 season. Have to at least look at the last 3 seasons and then make a fair offer.
The weird thing is if you back it up two years, this is a very natural next step in his development. It's just that last year he went backwards until the playoffs.
 
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Can't base a contract solely on a hot streak or 1 season. Have to at least look at the last 3 seasons and then make a fair offer.
The funny thing is this season isn't much different compared to his 20-21 season, if you look into it. Last season he had some bad luck combined with injuries that held him back but he's been a good player for a couple of years now and his play this season shouldn't be a total surprise.
 

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Cozens just got big bucks ....Is Filip better than Dylan?
They aren't really comparables.

It was Cozen's 2nd contract and he wasn't arbitration eligible. Cozens has 94 points in 169 career games. That's .556 points per game.

Chytil is on his 3rd contract and is arbitration eligible, which in theory makes him more expensive, but he has 125 points in 296 games, .422 points per game.

What it will really come down to is the term. The more UFA years we are buying, the higher the AAV will be. Don't expect him to get more than 5 years. 4 years is my guess.
 

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Can't base a contract solely on a hot streak or 1 season. Have to at least look at the last 3 seasons and then make a fair offer.

Yes. If he was producing like this for multiple seasons the number would start with a 7 or an 8. Thank god it’s only going to start with a 5.
 
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NickyFotiu

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The weird thing is if you back it up two years, this is a very natural next step in his development. It's just that last year he went backwards until the playoffs.
The progression is positive. The playoffs helped his confidence. Take that all in to account.

The funny thing is this season isn't much different compared to his 20-21 season, if you look into it. Last season he had some bad luck combined with injuries that held him back but he's been a good player for a couple of years now and his play this season shouldn't be a total surprise.
You are right but the team also has to also weigh the injury risk. I feel both sides will be fair.
 
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