Player Discussion Filip Chytil: Part II
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The S5
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Honestly, no RW is going to magically make that line defensively responsible. They should go all offense on it and create a better match up third line to make up for no one on the Panarin line wanting to play defense. This is Strome's contract year and you can be damn sure that he's not going to be interested in playing defense. He wants to feed Panarin to rack up as many points as he can so he can get his retirement contract from some rebuilding team like Ottawa.
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If Kakko or Laf were producing like this and skating like Chytil does people would be over the moon, but Chytil is the whipping boy
Stop it. In 4 years plus he has not shown much of anything. Sorry for a first round pick we should be seeing a lot more than we have at this point. Enough of the excuses.
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If Kakko or Laf were producing like this and skating like Chytil does people would be over the moon, but Chytil is the whipping boy
I had high hopes for Chytil coming into this season. As disappointing as the season has been for him as a whole, if I was tuning in without knowledge of where Chytil/Kakko/Laf were picked in the draft, I would guess Chytil was the highest ranked pick of the three given his size and speed.
Chytil is the whipping boy because he is terrible at the other aspects of the game that are required of him as a center, and even as a winger. Just because he has grabbed some assists in recent games, a couple of which he was bumped up on a line with one of the best players in the world, does not exonerate him. He scored just his 4th goal of the season last night. His 4th. He constantly, without fail, tries to skate through/past a defender on a zone entry only to get smashed along or into the boards for a turnover. He doesn’t win faceoffs. His defensive play is severely underwhelming. He has just a low hockey IQ. Oh and he cannot finish. Cannot finish. At least Kakko and Lafreniere are more defensively responsible. Kakko provides quality board play and puck possession in the offensive zone. Lafreniere has an ability to finish and he can pass the puck. Laf is also willing to go into the corner and take the body rather than do a drive by like Chytil often does. In fact Chytil is so very similar to Ryan Strome except for the fact that Strome at least puts up points.If Kakko or Laf were producing like this and skating like Chytil does people would be over the moon, but Chytil is the whipping boy
So yeah, his wonderful skating means absolutely nothing.
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If Kakko or Laf were producing like this and skating like Chytil does people would be over the moon, but Chytil is the whipping boy
lets be real... "Another empty net tap in for Laffy"
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If Kakko or Laf were producing like this and skating like Chytil does people would be over the moon, but Chytil is the whipping boy
Well Chytil is two years older than Kakko. Imagine the whip Kakko will get two years from now if he keeps producing in the same pace...
romba
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Yea if I remember correctly that was a really bad and dumb pass by Strome putting Chytil in a terrible position. Chytil tried to stop, reach back, and knock it forward with his hand in one motion but couldn't manage leaving him, Strome and Chytil caught up ice. 3 on 2 the other way and boom it's in our net. I like Stromer, but when he's off he really forces some dumb passes in bad areas of the ice. 3 weak passes for one amazing one- it might even out on the scoreboard but I'd rather it be 1:1 if possible lol
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Matz03
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It's only been a few games but he seems to be the best option playing wing with Strome and Panarin. He can play the role of Hunt on that line but actually chip in some points, and he's made plays that directly lead to goals while not picking up an assist as well. Also, Panarin has been far from his usual self the past few weeks, so at times that line has not looked great, but they've still managed to chip in some key goals. I'd keep them together for a bit longer and really see if this might be the role that Chytil progresses in.
HockeyBasedNYC
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Is Gallant removing him from Breads line an indication he doesn't like him on the wing, or is it something else?
I mean he hasn't blown us away on the bread line with some insane play, but he has been better there, is producing and the team is winning. Seems to be a fit, at least for the time being.
Scratching my head about why Hunt is back up there. Do they want to give Laf a little more to work with? If thats the case I dont think Chytil is up to that level yet. He may have been getting there if he had a dozen more games where he was.
Chytil needs to find a home so to speak, he's not even 23 yet.
romba
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Chytil has looked like a different player. He heads full speed for loose pucks along the boards and I've even seen him initiate contact to improve position to win the puck. He used to stick check or wait to be hit and then try to adjust aka knock the puck away while on his ass. He seems to understand that small things can actually lead to points with his linemates Panarin and Stromer and is more willing to get his nose dirty. Why get your nose dirty when it's a dead end play anyway with Gaut and Laf or whoever else was on his line. Not a great mentality but some players need the carrot more than others.
Very frustrating to put Hunt back with them, Hunt looked good for a couple of weeks with them then they did nothing together. Let Chytil simmer there for a while and see where it goes. Maybe the vets really prefer other vets on their line?
Chytil has looked like a different player. He heads full speed for loose pucks along the boards and I've even seen him initiate contact to improve position to win the puck. He used to stick check or wait to be hit and then try to adjust aka knock the puck away while on his ass. He seems to understand that small things can actually lead to points with his linemates Panarin and Stromer and is more willing to get his nose dirty. Why get your nose dirty when it's a dead end play anyway with Gaut and Laf or whoever else was on his line. Not a great mentality but some players need the carrot more than others.
Very frustrating to put Hunt back with them, Hunt looked good for a couple of weeks with them then they did nothing together. Let Chytil simmer there for a while and see where it goes. Maybe the vets really prefer other vets on their line?
After practice GG said nothing was set in stone but I definitely don't get replacing Chytil with Hunt. The line seems to be doing fine and it's not like Hunt is some defensive expert. I could understand replacing Chytil with Laf but not Hunt.
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You gotta keep things in perspective too, Chytil is 22... generally speaking you look at the players we've developed over the years (and this goes for most other teams) usually a player spends a few years in juniors/college/overseas and a couple seasons in the minors. Look at the track record, Kreiders first season was 22 years old, JT Miller first full season 22 years old, Buchnevich first full season 22, Cally, Dubi, many of the Dmen over the years, all in that age range, you can keep going and going... its incredibly rare to actually have players younger than that in larger roles.
And more important than anything is the usage... a lot of those guys came in getting middle six minutes, maybe a little powerplay time here and there... look at the linemates these guys had coming in straight from the get-go, players like Brassard, Hayes, Nash, Zuccarello, Zibanejad, Hagelin... those are the different type of linemates that wave of prospects got to play with as rookies.
So then you look at the young guys we have today and compare... Chytils spent the most minutes last season between 2 teenagers, this year he's spent it between a 20 year old and a prospect... and that's not a shot towards any of those players, but it's a far cry from playing 15 minutes a night next to a Brassard or a Zuccarello.
But it doesn't just apply to Chytil, we have 2 franchise altering prospects and we're sitting here like why can't we seem to develop these young guys... you can't give these dudes historically low usage, bunch up all these guys with no experience together and then say well why aren't they doing more with less? At some point they have to let the kids go through the growing pains instead of rolling out a Colin Blackwell or a Hunt 17 minutes a night. The good thing is we're starting to see that a bit with Kakko getting some more playing time
And more important than anything is the usage... a lot of those guys came in getting middle six minutes, maybe a little powerplay time here and there... look at the linemates these guys had coming in straight from the get-go, players like Brassard, Hayes, Nash, Zuccarello, Zibanejad, Hagelin... those are the different type of linemates that wave of prospects got to play with as rookies.
So then you look at the young guys we have today and compare... Chytils spent the most minutes last season between 2 teenagers, this year he's spent it between a 20 year old and a prospect... and that's not a shot towards any of those players, but it's a far cry from playing 15 minutes a night next to a Brassard or a Zuccarello.
But it doesn't just apply to Chytil, we have 2 franchise altering prospects and we're sitting here like why can't we seem to develop these young guys... you can't give these dudes historically low usage, bunch up all these guys with no experience together and then say well why aren't they doing more with less? At some point they have to let the kids go through the growing pains instead of rolling out a Colin Blackwell or a Hunt 17 minutes a night. The good thing is we're starting to see that a bit with Kakko getting some more playing time
it might be the position switch itself as well.
Chytil still has the size,speed, peer stride, good shot, but for whatever reason, he just looked more engaged on the wing. And with 4pts in 5 games, it’s hard to argue with the results.
Chytil did get a little time centering panarin, but he didn’t look as good as he did with his stretch on the wing so far.
It could be the less responsibility of the position, mixed with the meetings etc had with gallant gave him a bit of a wake up call.
Not having to skate all the way back down low, or carry the puck as much, along with the better line mates and more time the give him to get open etc.
I understand why people want him in there over Hunt. The risk/reward factor is just way better.
Chytil has hands/size/etc over Hunt. Both guys can skate pretty well, but that’s the extent of the comparison.
I would have def rode with chytil on 2nd line still as well.
I’m not sure what Gallants thinking is here. But my guess is a few things
He’s hoping chytil s good play will carry over back to center., I don’t think GG wants to deploy Barron ( rookie) at 3C full time, nor Goodrow.
I at least understand the thinking around that, even if I don’t agree with it.
He doesn’t want a rookie there right now, But with how Schneider has adapted, you mind as well try it before trading for outside help.
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I hate this move. Hunt is a 4th liner and Fil has been doing fine on that line.
Chytil got dropped because the defense on the that line was horrendous. A coach like Gallant that stresses responsible 200-foot hockey is not going to put up with that. The End.
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